Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[joyeuxnoel]

If we're pick 1, theres almost no way we fall out of the top 2

If we're pick 2, still have a great chance at 1, but then lakers have a much higher chance at 1-2 at #1, and we'd likely end up at 3 which is a NIGHTMARE

[Winejk]

Dunn is the best college player of the country in my opinion, but of course Simmons and Ingram are more intriguing, Dunn will be 22 in a few months.

Damian Lillard says hi.

[Kolkmania]

Dunn is the best college player of the country in my opinion, but of course Simmons and Ingram are more intriguing, Dunn will be 22 in a few months.

Damian Lillard says hi.

Anthony Davis says hi.

[PhilasFinest]

Dunn is the best college player of the country in my opinion, but of course Simmons and Ingram are more intriguing, Dunn will be 22 in a few months.

Damian Lillard says hi.

Anthony Davis says hi.

And then AD goes to the locker room with a sprained finger.

[Ericb5]

If we're pick 1, theres almost no way we fall out of the top 2

If we're pick 2, still have a great chance at 1, but then lakers have a much higher chance at 1-2 at #1, and we'd likely end up at 3 which is a NIGHTMARE

If we are in the first lottery position we still have less than a 50% chance of picking in the top two. The lottery really DOES require you to be fairly lucky even if you have the worst record, and that is how it should be.

As I always say, the importance of lottery position is mostly how it raises the worst case scenario. The worst team can pick no worse than 4th. If we pass the Lakers then the worst case is 5th, and so on.

Actually, in this year, I think that there is very little difference between picks 3-5 so in that sense having the 1st or 2nd lottery position doesn't mean as much.

Success for a tanking season is the first or second pick this year, and unfortunately we still need luck to get there.


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[snoopdogg88]

the team with the worst record has fallen to 4th in the lottery quite a few times, IIRC

its literally just a matter of 3 lottery drawings. they could run the machine 100x and the sixers might not come up one time

[Negrodamus]

I'm slowly, but surely, moving in the direction of Ingram and it's strangely because of fit. Ingram strokes it and strokes it well from deep. He moves exceptionally well for a 6'9 G/F. The main thing that intrigues me is that he is scoring 17 ppg on only 1.7 TO per game. I'm not saying Simmons (or Dunn) are turnover machines, but they are putting up their gaudy numbers because they are the primary ball handler and essentially run the offense.

In the event we retain Ish, keep Okafor and Saric, we will have a few ball dominant players on this team. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it will be nice to have a guy who can get his while being off the ball.

Admittedly, I could be talking out of my ass because I've seen only a handful of Ingram's games and I have yet to dip into his analytic side, but on the shallow, shallow surface, this has given me pause towards jumping with 2 feet on the Simmons train.

[PhilasFinest]

I'm slowly, but surely, moving in the direction of Ingram and it's strangely because of fit. Ingram strokes it and strokes it well from deep. He moves exceptionally well for a 6'9 G/F. The main thing that intrigues me is that he is scoring 17 ppg on only 1.7 TO per game. I'm not saying Simmons (or Dunn) are turnover machines, but they are putting up their gaudy numbers because they are the primary ball handler and essentially run the offense.

In the event we retain Ish, keep Okafor and Saric, we will have a few ball dominant players on this team. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it will be nice to have a guy who can get his while being off the ball.

Admittedly, I could be talking out of my ass because I've seen only a handful of Ingram's games and I have yet to dip into his analytic side, but on the shallow, shallow surface, this has given me pause towards jumping with 2 feet on the Simmons train.

Ingram is a really intriguing prospect. He can score in a variety of ways, is still really really young (believe a year younger than Simmons) and has a ton of upside. His size/length could cause nightmares on defense and once refined could be a lethal 2 way player.

Id be ecstatic if we landed him in June.

[Agnostifarian]

Duke's been playing with a six man rotation with a lot of zone defense. Ingram has been at the top of a 1-3-1. He's averaging 1.5 blocks and 1.3 steals mostly around the 3 pt line and shooting 41.7% from 3 pt line (2.1 made pg) in 32 minutes. He had a slow start his first nine games and all these stats have improved in conference play. The kid can shoot and he gets to the cup.

Coach K says Ingram can play four positions in the NBA, PG - PF.

[HotelVitale]

Actually, in this year, I think that there is very little difference between picks 3-5 so in that sense having the 1st or 2nd lottery position doesn't mean as much.Success for a tanking season is the first or second pick this year, and unfortunately we still need luck to get there.

Most players likely to go in the top-7 are PF/Cs (Bender, Ellenson, Poeltl, Skal), which we can't take another of. Dunn and J Brown are the only guys in that range we can take without making major moves. If we pick 5th and they go #3-4 (which is very possible/realistic, given Bender's contract situation), we're in some trouble.

[Agnostifarian]

Okay, Simmons is still an incredible prospect. However, Ingram goes 8 - 8 in the 2nd half against one of the best defensive teams in the country (Virginia) which is approximately five more jump shots than Simmons has taken all year.

http://www.scout.com/college/duke/story/1642417-watch-brandon-ingram-goes-for-25-v-virginia

[sixers hoops]

Actually, in this year, I think that there is very little difference between picks 3-5 so in that sense having the 1st or 2nd lottery position doesn't mean as much.Success for a tanking season is the first or second pick this year, and unfortunately we still need luck to get there.

Most players likely to go in the top-7 are PF/Cs (Bender, Ellenson, Poeltl, Skal), which we can't take another of. Dunn and J Brown are the only guys in that range we can take without making major moves. If we pick 5th and they go #3-4 (which is very possible/realistic, given Bender's contract situation), we're in some trouble.

As much as the process says to take the bpa, we are really not in the position to do that. The bpa has been Noel, Embiid, Saric, and Okafor. If we take another big we might not be able to get the guy on the court which really reduces his value.

Unless the talent is elite, like a Simmons, it would be tough to add a big to this group.

[Ericb5]

Actually, in this year, I think that there is very little difference between picks 3-5 so in that sense having the 1st or 2nd lottery position doesn't mean as much.Success for a tanking season is the first or second pick this year, and unfortunately we still need luck to get there.

Most players likely to go in the top-7 are PF/Cs (Bender, Ellenson, Poeltl, Skal), which we can't take another of. Dunn and J Brown are the only guys in that range we can take without making major moves. If we pick 5th and they go #3-4 (which is very possible/realistic, given Bender's contract situation), we're in some trouble.

As much as the process says to take the bpa, we are really not in the position to do that. The bpa has been Noel, Embiid, Saric, and Okafor. If we take another big we might not be able to get the guy on the court which really reduces his value.

Unless the talent is elite, like a Simmons, it would be tough to add a big to this group.

I am completely on board with BPA, but that is only when the choices are in different tiers.

I think that everyone in the 3-8 range is in the same tier, so drafting for need in that range is fine.

Plus, we have to recognize that we will be making trades. I doubt that Noel, Okafo, and Saric are all still on the team after the trade deadline next year.

If we end up taking Bender and stashing him for a year, we could easily clear the decks for him by making other trades.

I really don't even want to think of that possibility for our pick though. We need 1 or 2 with our pick for me to be happy.

If we get the Lakers pick at 4 or 5 then I am all for taking a shot on someone like Bender.


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[Duke4life831]

Ingram's 18 straight points from yesterday

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LU9UBmYhwfE[/youtube]

[sixers hoops]

Most players likely to go in the top-7 are PF/Cs (Bender, Ellenson, Poeltl, Skal), which we can't take another of. Dunn and J Brown are the only guys in that range we can take without making major moves. If we pick 5th and they go #3-4 (which is very possible/realistic, given Bender's contract situation), we're in some trouble.

As much as the process says to take the bpa, we are really not in the position to do that. The bpa has been Noel, Embiid, Saric, and Okafor. If we take another big we might not be able to get the guy on the court which really reduces his value.

Unless the talent is elite, like a Simmons, it would be tough to add a big to this group.

I am completely on board with BPA, but that is only when the choices are in different tiers.

I think that everyone in the 3-8 range is in the same tier, so drafting for need in that range is fine.

Plus, we have to recognize that we will be making trades. I doubt that Noel, Okafo, and Saric are all still on the team after the trade deadline next year.

If we end up taking Bender and stashing him for a year, we could easily clear the decks for him by making other trades.

I really don't even want to think of that possibility for our pick though. We need 1 or 2 with our pick for me to be happy.

If we get the Lakers pick at 4 or 5 then I am all for taking a shot on someone like Bender.


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I hope we don't fall to 4 or 5. I would be okay with a stash guy with the Lakers pick. That buys us time to evaluate Embiid, and move Noel or okafor.

If Embiid is healthy, he's your center. Everybody else is secondary.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Ingram has been on a tear lately. Production wise only Kevin Durant in his only year at Texas compares to the numbers Ingram is putting up. This draft is a two horse race and I will lose my mind, **** out an raging pile of anger if we don't get a top two pick. So help me God I will snap if we get snubbed again with the third pick....Some sort of sick sadistic punishment for tanking.

[freshie2]

It will be more interesting to watch the debate if they get #1 this year compared to the last two. I'm still in Simmons camp, but would be fine with Ingram.

[HotelVitale]

Ingram has been on a tear lately. Production wise only Kevin Durant in his only year at Texas compares to the numbers Ingram is putting up...

Huh? I'm pretty high on Ingram but he's not even in the top 10 of freshmen scorers this season, let alone this decade. His 'tear' over the last couple weeks has been him scoring around 20/7, which a handful of freshman have done as well as for the whole year.

KD averaged 26/11 for the whole season, Ingram's 17/7 is a long ways from that. The case for Ingram doesn't have to do with eye-popping stats, it's more with scoring potential in a more open NBA system.

[Duke4life831]

Ingram has been on a tear lately. Production wise only Kevin Durant in his only year at Texas compares to the numbers Ingram is putting up...

Huh? I'm pretty high on Ingram but he's not even in the top 10 of freshmen scorers this season, let alone this decade. His 'tear' over the last couple weeks has been him scoring around 20/7, which a handful of freshman have done as well as for the whole year.

KD averaged 26/11 for the whole season, Ingram's 17/7 is a long ways from that. The case for Ingram doesn't have to do with eye-popping stats, it's more with scoring potential in a more open NBA system.

Ingram in conference play is putting up

19/8 on 47/44/72 shooting percentage on 1.42 points per shot and 60% TS% and 57% EFG%


KD put up

26/11 on 47/40/81 shooting percentages on 1.39 points per shot and 58% TS% and 53% EFG%

So Ingram is basically doing what KD did but KD just put up 5 more shots per game

[agiaco]

Either one, just give us top 2. Ingram would be a great go-to scorer. Really like his smooth game. Kind of reminds me of T-Mac or KD.