Moderators: HartfordWhalers, BullyKing, sixers hoops, Foshan, Sixerscan
spikeslovechild wrote:http://download.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/dB/dE/dT/d9/1BET9_3.MP3?show=Angelo+Cataldi+And+The+Morning+Team&category=Sports+%26+Recreation&callsign=WIPFM&market=Philadelphia&awCollectionId=1074&awEpisodeId=619824
phiphan wrote:spikeslovechild wrote:http://download.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/dB/dE/dT/d9/1BET9_3.MP3?show=Angelo+Cataldi+And+The+Morning+Team&category=Sports+%26+Recreation&callsign=WIPFM&market=Philadelphia&awCollectionId=1074&awEpisodeId=619824
Interesting that he explains not picking Drummond in-part because he already had Valanciunas coming in, and that one or both of them "would die on the vine" if he had them both... We're guaranteed to see one or two of Okafor/Noel/Embiid traded this summer.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
Mik317 wrote:Drummond kinda sucked at UConn, no? While Ross was still kind of a reach (IIRC he was supposed to be in our range as he was one of my targets for us ...I think), lets not act like everyone knew Drummond would be this good. He was a raw prospect...AND they already had Jonas...not exactly the best fit. I'm not going to kill him for his drafts...even Bargs you can make a point for (this was a draft in which Tyrus Thomas was in the running for he 1st pick). Its the FA and extensions he struggled with. Scouting also has gotten a lot better over the time...nowadays the real busts are dudes EVERYONE knew would suck like Bennett. Not worried about the draft...I'm worried about FA
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
Unbreakable99 wrote:Bryan Colangelo is the President of Basketball Operations. There is no GM title. Can someone tell me the difference between the two? BC is going to be making all the moves so he is in essence the GM so why not name him GM?
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
PhilasFinest wrote:spikeslovechild wrote:http://download.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/dB/dE/dT/d9/1BET9_3.MP3?show=Angelo+Cataldi+And+The+Morning+Team&category=Sports+%26+Recreation&callsign=WIPFM&market=Philadelphia&awCollectionId=1074&awEpisodeId=619824
One thing that really stood out to me was his now public contention that Drummond hated the game of basketball. He also said Ross has more then what he's shown. Well then why hasn't he shown it? Does Ross hate the game of basketball too?
Did Colangelo attempting to pick someone who didn't hate the game of basketball, pick someone who did, while at the sametime passing over the person who actually did love the game of basketball? It's a mindbender for sure. Maybe he should have just picked the better player.
I mean listen to this interview it's disheartening. I think you just have to hope privately he does a much more through examination of his failures and processes that led to those failures because publicly I rarely in fact I can't even remember of him ever giving an honest assessment of his mistakes.
He really should have also been asked about Bargs selection over LMA, his extension, and his inability to trade him (Masai traded him for a first) among his other moves that didn't work out (hedo, kleiza, Kapono, Peja, O'neal, Fred Jones, Garbosa, etc) but in all fairness it probably wasn't possible to cover all his failures in a 12 min interview.
I understand now looking back and saying, wow Drummond over ross. But at the time, the Raptors had just invested the 5th pick in Jonas Valanciunas. Obviously they see/saw something in him worth building around....so they went with a hyper athletic perimeter player with a 3point shot to likely try and develop and slide next to DeRozan/Lowry. Obviously it hasn't panned out, but at the time they were obviously looking to fill a need rather than create a log jam at the 5 spot...especially taking into account the known facts that he had wanted Harrison Barnes, who went just 1 pick before them.
In the interview he clearly stated that Toronto had a PG need and SF need. He wanted Lillard or Harrison Barnes, but winning too many games lost them their lottery position and they missed out on those guys. I see nothing wrong with that logic and thinking in the draft.
LaMarcus Aldridge wasn't necessarily some sure fire future star. The Bulls in fact traded him for Tyrus Thomas...so obviously it wasn't like he passed on LeBron James for Darko. Bargnani presented an intriguing combo of size/skill with tremendous upside in a time where Dirk was absolutely tearing up the league. Considering a large portion of that draft is already out of the league, you could argue that the pick wasn't nearly as bad as most of the leagues that year.
PhilasFinest wrote:phiphan wrote:spikeslovechild wrote:http://download.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/dB/dE/dT/d9/1BET9_3.MP3?show=Angelo+Cataldi+And+The+Morning+Team&category=Sports+%26+Recreation&callsign=WIPFM&market=Philadelphia&awCollectionId=1074&awEpisodeId=619824
Interesting that he explains not picking Drummond in-part because he already had Valanciunas coming in, and that one or both of them "would die on the vine" if he had them both... We're guaranteed to see one or two of Okafor/Noel/Embiid traded this summer.
Its kind of true. I understand throwing darts in terms of taking BPA and looking for a star....but having 3 guys, with high upside, that don't fit is not an ideal situation. especially when 1's rookie contract is quickly coming to an end.
If your trying to build a team through the draft...You have to commit to developing the talent your drafting. Part of that is putting them in ideal situations to thrive and develop to the best of their ability. One could say drafting 3 centers, trying to force them out of there comfort zones to fit and surround them with non complimentary pieces isn't "ideal" for bringing out the best.
Negrodamus wrote:I desperately wanted Drummond. I went as far as saying we should trade Iggy and our first to move up in the top 10 to get him. He was a beast in high school and was on a transitional UConn team.
Instead, we got Harkless, then Bynum.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
spikeslovechild wrote:PhilasFinest wrote:spikeslovechild wrote:http://download.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/dB/dE/dT/d9/1BET9_3.MP3?show=Angelo+Cataldi+And+The+Morning+Team&category=Sports+%26+Recreation&callsign=WIPFM&market=Philadelphia&awCollectionId=1074&awEpisodeId=619824
One thing that really stood out to me was his now public contention that Drummond hated the game of basketball. He also said Ross has more then what he's shown. Well then why hasn't he shown it? Does Ross hate the game of basketball too?
Did Colangelo attempting to pick someone who didn't hate the game of basketball, pick someone who did, while at the sametime passing over the person who actually did love the game of basketball? It's a mindbender for sure. Maybe he should have just picked the better player.
I mean listen to this interview it's disheartening. I think you just have to hope privately he does a much more through examination of his failures and processes that led to those failures because publicly I rarely in fact I can't even remember of him ever giving an honest assessment of his mistakes.
He really should have also been asked about Bargs selection over LMA, his extension, and his inability to trade him (Masai traded him for a first) among his other moves that didn't work out (hedo, kleiza, Kapono, Peja, O'neal, Fred Jones, Garbosa, etc) but in all fairness it probably wasn't possible to cover all his failures in a 12 min interview.
I understand now looking back and saying, wow Drummond over ross. But at the time, the Raptors had just invested the 5th pick in Jonas Valanciunas. Obviously they see/saw something in him worth building around....so they went with a hyper athletic perimeter player with a 3point shot to likely try and develop and slide next to DeRozan/Lowry. Obviously it hasn't panned out, but at the time they were obviously looking to fill a need rather than create a log jam at the 5 spot...especially taking into account the known facts that he had wanted Harrison Barnes, who went just 1 pick before them.
In the interview he clearly stated that Toronto had a PG need and SF need. He wanted Lillard or Harrison Barnes, but winning too many games lost them their lottery position and they missed out on those guys. I see nothing wrong with that logic and thinking in the draft.
LaMarcus Aldridge wasn't necessarily some sure fire future star. The Bulls in fact traded him for Tyrus Thomas...so obviously it wasn't like he passed on LeBron James for Darko. Bargnani presented an intriguing combo of size/skill with tremendous upside in a time where Dirk was absolutely tearing up the league. Considering a large portion of that draft is already out of the league, you could argue that the pick wasn't nearly as bad as most of the leagues that year.
Yes there is a problem. You take the better player and if you have to move someone later on down the line then you do so. I really would have liked the host to ask him whether the same thought process would apply to previous drafts. Would he have selected Exum or Smart over Embiid for instance. Would he have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor.
This stuff matters.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
Negrodamus wrote:Here's another unfortunate prediction:
Okafor and Lakers pick for Booker and Knight
We get our PG and SG while helping out Colangelo's friends, the Suns, with a high draft pick and a dominant big man.
Stanford wrote:Negrodamus wrote:Here's another unfortunate prediction:
Okafor and Lakers pick for Booker and Knight
We get our PG and SG while helping out Colangelo's friends, the Suns, with a high draft pick and a dominant big man.
Not thrilled about Knight, but Booker is a stud. We could certainly do worse than that.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
Stanford wrote:Negrodamus wrote:Here's another unfortunate prediction:
Okafor and Lakers pick for Booker and Knight
We get our PG and SG while helping out Colangelo's friends, the Suns, with a high draft pick and a dominant big man.
Not thrilled about Knight, but Booker is a stud. We could certainly do worse than that.
PhilasFinest wrote:spikeslovechild wrote:PhilasFinest wrote:
I understand now looking back and saying, wow Drummond over ross. But at the time, the Raptors had just invested the 5th pick in Jonas Valanciunas. Obviously they see/saw something in him worth building around....so they went with a hyper athletic perimeter player with a 3point shot to likely try and develop and slide next to DeRozan/Lowry. Obviously it hasn't panned out, but at the time they were obviously looking to fill a need rather than create a log jam at the 5 spot...especially taking into account the known facts that he had wanted Harrison Barnes, who went just 1 pick before them.
In the interview he clearly stated that Toronto had a PG need and SF need. He wanted Lillard or Harrison Barnes, but winning too many games lost them their lottery position and they missed out on those guys. I see nothing wrong with that logic and thinking in the draft.
LaMarcus Aldridge wasn't necessarily some sure fire future star. The Bulls in fact traded him for Tyrus Thomas...so obviously it wasn't like he passed on LeBron James for Darko. Bargnani presented an intriguing combo of size/skill with tremendous upside in a time where Dirk was absolutely tearing up the league. Considering a large portion of that draft is already out of the league, you could argue that the pick wasn't nearly as bad as most of the leagues that year.
Yes there is a problem. You take the better player and if you have to move someone later on down the line then you do so. I really would have liked the host to ask him whether the same thought process would apply to previous drafts. Would he have selected Exum or Smart over Embiid for instance. Would he have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor.
This stuff matters.
Andre Drummond wasn't some surefire stud, so your acting as if he passed on Anthony Davis. They drafted a center, the draft before with the 5th pick. They obviously saw something they liked there and he stayed stashed for the entire year, so they didn't exactly know what they had coming in. How is it a problem trying to build around a draft pick (that hasn't played a game yet) by looking for complimentary players? The same logic that went into taking Ross, is similar to what Indiana did 2 years prior with Paul George.
He may have taken Smart or Gordon or Exum instead of gambling on Embiid. Frankly would our team be any worse right now had that happened? Im as big a Embiid fan there is, but the kid hasn't played a lick of Basketball in 2 years and his future is a seriously cloudy situation.
Maybe he would have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor. OR (if were playing the retrospect game) maybe he would have drafted Porzingis, who compliments Noel/Embiid. Suddenly the shoes on the other foot.
ET Da Gawd wrote:PhilasFinest wrote:spikeslovechild wrote:
Yes there is a problem. You take the better player and if you have to move someone later on down the line then you do so. I really would have liked the host to ask him whether the same thought process would apply to previous drafts. Would he have selected Exum or Smart over Embiid for instance. Would he have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor.
This stuff matters.
Andre Drummond wasn't some surefire stud, so your acting as if he passed on Anthony Davis. They drafted a center, the draft before with the 5th pick. They obviously saw something they liked there and he stayed stashed for the entire year, so they didn't exactly know what they had coming in. How is it a problem trying to build around a draft pick (that hasn't played a game yet) by looking for complimentary players? The same logic that went into taking Ross, is similar to what Indiana did 2 years prior with Paul George.
He may have taken Smart or Gordon or Exum instead of gambling on Embiid. Frankly would our team be any worse right now had that happened? Im as big a Embiid fan there is, but the kid hasn't played a lick of Basketball in 2 years and his future is a seriously cloudy situation.
Maybe he would have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor. OR (if were playing the retrospect game) maybe he would have drafted Porzingis, who compliments Noel/Embiid. Suddenly the shoes on the other foot.
It's like people haven't heard of depth or rotation, none of those players were a better pick than Okafor or Embiid, BC is gonna run us into mediocrity and everyone will be satisfied
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .