2017 Pick Watch (Sac Swap Rights, LAL pick)

mrfantast1c · Post #141 » by **mrfantast1c** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:58 pm

josh Jackson and Dennis smith Jr would be sweet. Doomsday scenario for the league

MCoster · Post #142 » by **MCoster** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:05 pm

wickedwrister wrote:Can anyone come up with a tally of players in and out for Sacramento and LAL this offseason.

Off the top of my head:
Kings In: Temple. Afflalo, Richardson, Skal, Papagianis (is he coming or stash?), Barnes, Tolliver
Kings Out: Rondo, Bellineli, Butler, Curry, Dukan

Lakers In: Mozgov, Deng, Calderon, Ingram, Zubac
Lakers Out: Kobe, Hibbert, potential free agent losses (Bass, MWP)

I'm sure I'm missing people, what other movement has there been?

Kings:
In (8): Afflalo, Temple, Tolliver, M. Barnes, M. Richardson, Skal, Papagiannis, I. Cousins
Out (8): Rondo, Bellineli, Seth Curry, Acy, J. Anderson, Moreland, Butler, Dukan
Same (7): Cousins, Gay, WCS, Collison, Casspi, Koufos, McLemore

Lakers aren't complete yet (only at 14) but:
In (5): Ingram, Deng, Mozgov, Calderon, Zubac
Out (6): Kobe, Hibbert, Bass, Sacre, R. Kelly, World Peace
Same (9): Russell, Clarkson, Randle, Nance, A. Brown, L. Williams, Swaggy P, T. Black, Huertas (RFA assumed resigned)

Post #143 » by **Sixerscan** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:06 pm

Fairly safe to assume that both of those are bottom 8 rosters again.

Interested to see how the lakers handle Ingram. Is he really going to come off the bench? Or will they have him play the 2 and have clarkson or Russell come off the bench? Or have deng play the 4 and have randle come off the bench?

MCoster · Post #144 » by **MCoster** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:17 pm

From a Vegas O/U Standpoint, my early guess would be:
1. Nets
2. Sixers
3. Lakers
4. Suns
5. Nuggets
6. Kings

13 eastern conference teams (minus nets and sixers) all probably have playoff dreams so they're not included right now, and I'd take 11 west teams over the Kings (with the debatables being Towns/Thibs TWolves, Anthony Davis's Pelicans, and Rick Carlisle's Mavs)

Unbreakable99 · Post #145 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:20 pm

Right now the Lakers seem to have the worst roster in the NBA and will have the worst record.

wickedwrister · Post #146 » by **wickedwrister** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:21 pm

MCoster wrote:From a Vegas O/U Standpoint, my early guess would be:
1. Nets
2. Sixers
3. Lakers
4. Suns
5. Nuggets
6. Kings

13 eastern conference teams (minus nets and sixers) all probably have playoff dreams so they're not included right now, and I'd take 11 west teams over the Kings (with the debatables being Towns/Thibs TWolves, Anthony Davis's Pelicans, and Rick Carlisle's Mavs)

If Bosh is done then Miami cracks this conversation.....

Arsenal · Post #147 » by **Arsenal** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 4:22 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Fairly safe to assume that both of those are bottom 8 rosters again.

Interested to see how the lakers handle Ingram. Is he really going to come off the bench? Or will they have him play the 2 and have clarkson or Russell come off the bench? Or have deng play the 4 and have randle come off the bench?

I think Ingram is coming off the bench. Super young and physically immature. Here's their projected lineup:

PG Russell / Calderon
SG Clarkson / Williams / Young
SF Deng / Ingram / Brown
PF Randle / Nance
CE Mozgov / Black / Zubac

They will try their version of the Warriors Death Lineup by putting Ingram in at SF and shifting Deng to PF and Randle to CE.

RingsDontLie · Post #148 » by **RingsDontLie** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 7:07 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Right now the Lakers seem to have the worst roster in the NBA and will have the worst record.

I'd take a bet that we will have the better record than the 76ers by the end of the season.

Unbreakable99 · Post #149 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 8:02 pm

RingsDontLie wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Right now the Lakers seem to have the worst roster in the NBA and will have the worst record.

I'd take a bet that we will have the better record than the 76ers by the end of the season.

I hope you do. If you do then that would increase our chances of getting your pick. I just don't see it. Who did you get to make you better than anyone in the West? Nobody. Only Brooklyn is on your level and I think they got better than you. We got better. I'd take that bet. It's a win win for me. If I'm wrong then it helps. If I'm right I can say I told you so lol.

phiphan · Post #150 » by **phiphan** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 9:31 pm

Losing Byron Scott and Kobe adds 10 wins alone

Unbreakable99 · Post #151 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Jul 7, 2016 11:39 pm

Hey. I hope I'm very wrong about the Lakers and they win more. I'm definitely going to be rooting for them to win this year. I just don't see it. Who can you legitimately say they are better than? I see zero teams they are better than.

Wilfried · Post #152 » by **Wilfried** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 9:29 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Hey. I hope I'm very wrong about the Lakers and they win more. I'm definitely going to be rooting for them to win this year. I just don't see it. Who can you legitimately say they are better than? I see zero teams they are better than.

Better than Philadelphia, Brooklyn, Phoenix (if Bledsoe is not healthy), Sacramento (if Cousins is not sane), ...?

Deng, Calderon, Ingram and Mozgov can give them 10-15 extra wins imo + they have a good coach now.

Unbreakable99 · Post #153 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 2:24 pm

Wilfried wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Hey. I hope I'm very wrong about the Lakers and they win more. I'm definitely going to be rooting for them to win this year. I just don't see it. Who can you legitimately say they are better than? I see zero teams they are better than.

Better than Philadelphia, Brooklyn, Phoenix (if Bledsoe is not healthy), Sacramento (if Cousins is not sane), ...?

Deng, Calderon, Ingram and Mozgov can give them 10-15 extra wins imo + they have a good coach now.

I don't see how they are better than us and the other teams you listed. Brooklyn got a lot better and were better than them last season. Phoenix has more talent. Sacramento has more talent. I think it's pretty clear the Lakers have the worst talent in the NBA. They should have the worst record.

51X3RF4N · Post #154 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 2:48 pm

Can we please get Terrance Ferguson???

Anyone know why he's not rated in the top of the 2017 draft stock? I don't see much out there about him, but his athleticism and outside shot seem like a good fit next to Simmons.

51X3RF4N · Post #155 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 10:26 pm

Rudy Gay requests trade, making the Sacto pick even better now.

KramerDSP · Post #156 » by **KramerDSP** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 10:44 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:Rudy Gay requests trade, making the Sacto pick even better now.

Does it, though? I guess it depends on what the Kings get back. Since he demanded a trade, it's probably not a lot.

Skates · Post #157 » by **Skates** » Fri Jul 8, 2016 10:47 pm

KramerDSP wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:Rudy Gay requests trade, making the Sacto pick even better now.

Does it, though? I guess it depends on what the Kings get back. Since he demanded a trade, it's probably not a lot.

The bigger question is whether BC still has a soft spot for Rudy.

Let's hope not.

timLH · Post #158 » by **timLH** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 2:08 am

I really feel sorry to the SAC fans. They deserve much better

Embiid P · Post #159 » by **Embiid P** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 5:28 am

timLH wrote:I really feel sorry to the SAC fans. They deserve much better

I don't feel sorry for them. They can only deserve better once they convey their pick(s) to us.

MCoster · Post #160 » by **MCoster** » Sat Jul 9, 2016 4:16 pm

5dimes has 11 teams O/U's listed already:

GSW - 67.5
SAS - 60.5
CLE - 57.5
LAC - 55.5

IND - 47.5
CHI - 47.5
OKC - 46.5
NYK - 43.5

LAL - 28.5
PHI - 21.5
BKN - 17.5

I'll update this if more become available.