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Wilfried wrote:He's going to be a tweener, in the positive way
But he will need to learn to shoot to become a star.
Otherwise he will be a very good role player, but that's too bad when you are the #1 pick
BobThornton wrote:That article came out with a source saying Simmons was fine with being drafted by Philly yesterday or the day before. Simmons tweeted "Terrible Sources" with the laughing til crying emoticon.
Logical deduction from the timing of that tweet, when he rarely tweets, is that he might indeed prefer to go to LA.
Too bad.
BobThornton wrote:That article came out with a source saying Simmons was fine with being drafted by Philly yesterday or the day before. Simmons tweeted "Terrible Sources" with the laughing til crying emoticon.
Logical deduction from the timing of that tweet, when he rarely tweets, is that he might indeed prefer to go to LA.
Too bad.
CoreyGallagher wrote:I hope the Cavs don't take Embiid because then we'll take Embiid.
FlightBrothers wrote:BobThornton wrote:That article came out with a source saying Simmons was fine with being drafted by Philly yesterday or the day before. Simmons tweeted "Terrible Sources" with the laughing til crying emoticon.
Logical deduction from the timing of that tweet, when he rarely tweets, is that he might indeed prefer to go to LA.
Too bad.
This was already figured out. He was referred to his Nike deal.
sixerswillrule wrote:Wilfried wrote:He's going to be a tweener, in the positive way
But he will need to learn to shoot to become a star.
Otherwise he will be a very good role player, but that's too bad when you are the #1 pick
Well Giannis is on the verge of becoming a star and he still can't score outside of 3 feet, so that's a good sign for Simmons.
Wilfried wrote:Isn't Giannis longer than Simmons?
CoreyGallagher wrote:I hope the Cavs don't take Embiid because then we'll take Embiid.
Unbreakable99 wrote:76ciology wrote:Leaning towards Simmons.
Halfcourt issue:
Might help playing with more talented player(s) where there's less defensive pressure at him. Nevertheless, bullyball won't work and you see that LBJ struggles to do it in the finals.
Flaws:
everyone has flaws, but problem IMO is Simmons' flaws are two of the most valuable things in the league, shooting and defense (rim protection in particular). I leaning towards Simmons improving his shooting and defending opposing SFs in the NBA.
Wait. Are my eyes deceiving me? Did I just read that you are leaning Simmons? Didn't you say you would rather have Ingram and thought he was a better prospect as well? Anyway welcome aboard the Simmons train.
Kobblehead wrote:Rich Paul is a smart man. He probably views the Philly market as a sleeping giant for an NBA star. Him, LeBron, and all their friends were Iverson stans growing up, afterall.
CoreyGallagher wrote:MGB8 wrote:Simmons has a size/strength advantage at the 3 while having better than adequate speed and quickness.
At the 4, he's... Meh. Is he going to outsize or outquick Ibaka? Draymond Green (meaningfully)? Porzingis? Blake Griffin? Myles Turner? Paul Milsap? Derrick Favors? Manimal Faried? Amir Johnson?
So he has better than adequate speed and quickness to play the 3, but that doesn't give him an advantage at the 4? Does he have the size, speed, quickness, and skills to outmaneuver most of the players that you listed? Believe there's a very high likelihood that he does.
sixerswillrule wrote:MGB8 wrote:Simmons has a size/strength advantage at the 3 while having better than adequate speed and quickness.
At the 4, he's... Meh. Is he going to outsize or outquick Ibaka? Draymond Green (meaningfully)? Porzingis? Blake Griffin? Myles Turner? Paul Milsap? Derrick Favors? Manimal Faried? Amir Johnson?
As a 4, he doesn't give you any real mismatch advantages against most opponents, with any speed advantage over plodders like Z-Bo or Scola or Love undone by his lack of shooting.
If he can't play SF... then he's a pretty terrible prospect for a #1 overall pick.
It's the other way around. He'll have a quickness/athletcisim advantage against most PFs to break them down off the dribble. It's the same reason why Odom, Josh Smith, Thad Young, etc. are all better suited to play PF. Sure Simmons is expected to be better than those guys but the point still stands.
His lack of shooting is even more of a problem at SF. SFs will stay in front of Simmons and won't allow him to get to where he wants to go. What good will his size/strength advantage be then? Do you expect him to play in the post as a SF, with two other big men on the court with him?
Ericb5 wrote:Unbreakable99 wrote:76ciology wrote:Leaning towards Simmons.
Halfcourt issue:
Might help playing with more talented player(s) where there's less defensive pressure at him. Nevertheless, bullyball won't work and you see that LBJ struggles to do it in the finals.
Flaws:
everyone has flaws, but problem IMO is Simmons' flaws are two of the most valuable things in the league, shooting and defense (rim protection in particular). I leaning towards Simmons improving his shooting and defending opposing SFs in the NBA.
Wait. Are my eyes deceiving me? Did I just read that you are leaning Simmons? Didn't you say you would rather have Ingram and thought he was a better prospect as well? Anyway welcome aboard the Simmons train.
Three regular posters that were team Ingram this whole spring have switched to Simmons.
I expect late breakers to continue to switch over, mostly because the most compelling argument for either player is that Simmoms undeniably has the higher ceiling. He has more superstar potential. Red flags or not.
Ultimately, we haven't had the first pick in 20 years, and that was when we drafted the last HOF player in this city, possibly in any sport.
We have to take this chance while we have it.
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His routine is the same every day. He gets up in the morning and heads to the gym, where he's spending time putting up shots, doing ball-handling drills, working on his transition game and change of pace -- the whole works.
The workout I saw in Cleveland looked like the drills most teams put guards through. That Simmons looked comfortable in that setting explains his appeal as the No. 1 pick in the draft. Guys who are 6-foot-10, 240 pounds, move as effortlessly as he does on the court and are as comfortable as he is with the ball just don't come along ... really, ever.
Simmons' jump shot has been the major source of concern about his game. But the indications are, while he's no Kevin Durant, his jumper is not broken.
He shot just three 3s all season at LSU. I saw him get up roughly 100 NBA 3s in the workout. His outside shot is getting better -- or maybe it was solid all along, and he just seldom used it.
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"The one thing that almost always gets better from college to the pros is a guy's jumper," one NBA GM told me Tuesday. "It's a fixable problem, and frankly, I'm not sure how much of a problem it really is. LeBron [James] couldn't shoot when he came out. Lots of guys couldn't. They get better."
After the morning gym workout, Simmons headed to the weight room, primarily to work on his core and do pool workouts. He has added muscle, and his body is lean, chiseled and explosive.
Then he was back in the gym in the afternoon -- and one more time at night. Three-a-days for the first month, then two-a-days the past month. On the weekends, he's got yoga, boxing and Pilates for balance and focus.
Simmons' work ethic the past two months has been extraordinary. It's a counter-narrative to whispers in the media that Simmons didn't care at LSU, isn't competitive or doesn't want it badly enough. Everything I saw on the court looked like a player who doesn't just want to be the No. 1 pick -- he wants to be great.
"Being the No. 1 guy, they're going to put that target on your back," Simmons said. "But you've got to be prepared for it. It comes with the territory. ... There's always going to be talk about who should be 1 or 2 in the draft. But my focus is just getting ready for the next level. I'm not worried who goes where."
Simmons seems unconcerned about where he goes. His agent has yet to commit to his working out anywhere, including Philadelphia and Los Angeles. It likely won't matter. Sources say the Sixers are strongly leaning toward taking Simmons No. 1. If they don't, the Lakers will jump on him at No. 2.
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"It's an 82-game season. You have to prepare for that," he said. "I'm worried about playing against Paul George, Kevin Durant and LeBron James next season. Once you get drafted, you're at the bottom. You have to start all over again. People don't care where you were drafted. They just care whether you can play.
"This is my job now. This is the main focus for me. I have to come in every day and put the work in. This is a great job. I love doing it. Every day, the goal is to get better."
MGB8 wrote:sixerswillrule wrote:MGB8 wrote:Simmons has a size/strength advantage at the 3 while having better than adequate speed and quickness.
At the 4, he's... Meh. Is he going to outsize or outquick Ibaka? Draymond Green (meaningfully)? Porzingis? Blake Griffin? Myles Turner? Paul Milsap? Derrick Favors? Manimal Faried? Amir Johnson?
As a 4, he doesn't give you any real mismatch advantages against most opponents, with any speed advantage over plodders like Z-Bo or Scola or Love undone by his lack of shooting.
If he can't play SF... then he's a pretty terrible prospect for a #1 overall pick.
It's the other way around. He'll have a quickness/athletcisim advantage against most PFs to break them down off the dribble. It's the same reason why Odom, Josh Smith, Thad Young, etc. are all better suited to play PF. Sure Simmons is expected to be better than those guys but the point still stands.
His lack of shooting is even more of a problem at SF. SFs will stay in front of Simmons and won't allow him to get to where he wants to go. What good will his size/strength advantage be then? Do you expect him to play in the post as a SF, with two other big men on the court with him?
Odom, Josh Smith and Thad Young are 3 very different players, and Odom was only better at the 4 later in his career. A lot of Odom and Smith's being "better at the 4" was because of their lack of shooting and no true stretch 4 next to them, ever. Also, Odom played a lot of his time in the pre-zone era (rule technically changed for 01-02, but took several years for it to catch on), which makes a huge impact. Odom also never had a particularly good first step, so he never was really able to use his size advantage.
Smith is kind of similar to Odom in that he's more a 4 now later in his career, but was able to play both positions when younger - fast enough for the 3, big and strong enough for the 4. Like Odom, he's slowed down a touch. Unlike Simmons, Smith doesn't have a particularly good handle (which impacts his ability to leverage his size), or passing ability.
Young is kind of a "bad tweener" - he's really undersized at the 4 and needs to be covered for in a lot of matchups. At the same time, he lacked both the ball handling and shooting to be effective on offense at the 3, although he was fine defensively.
None of these guys are close to "transcendent" though - not near superstars.
Draymond Green is undersized but uses his strength and quickness advantage - but a lot of that quickness advantage is set up by his 3 point shot, which forces defenders to come out to him. And a lot of the advantage isn't really against 4's so much as 5's in the W's small ball lineup.
Charles was undersized, but exceptionally quick and with an exceptionally versatile offensive game - reminds me of Melo when he's at the 4, but more inside oriented and more physical. Except Charles was tougher. Then again, that was pre-zone, too.
mksp wrote:Some Simmons work out info:His routine is the same every day. He gets up in the morning and heads to the gym, where he's spending time putting up shots, doing ball-handling drills, working on his transition game and change of pace -- the whole works.
The workout I saw in Cleveland looked like the drills most teams put guards through. That Simmons looked comfortable in that setting explains his appeal as the No. 1 pick in the draft. Guys who are 6-foot-10, 240 pounds, move as effortlessly as he does on the court and are as comfortable as he is with the ball just don't come along ... really, ever.
Simmons' jump shot has been the major source of concern about his game. But the indications are, while he's no Kevin Durant, his jumper is not broken.
He shot just three 3s all season at LSU. I saw him get up roughly 100 NBA 3s in the workout. His outside shot is getting better -- or maybe it was solid all along, and he just seldom used it.
...
"The one thing that almost always gets better from college to the pros is a guy's jumper," one NBA GM told me Tuesday. "It's a fixable problem, and frankly, I'm not sure how much of a problem it really is. LeBron [James] couldn't shoot when he came out. Lots of guys couldn't. They get better."After the morning gym workout, Simmons headed to the weight room, primarily to work on his core and do pool workouts. He has added muscle, and his body is lean, chiseled and explosive.
Then he was back in the gym in the afternoon -- and one more time at night. Three-a-days for the first month, then two-a-days the past month. On the weekends, he's got yoga, boxing and Pilates for balance and focus.
Simmons' work ethic the past two months has been extraordinary. It's a counter-narrative to whispers in the media that Simmons didn't care at LSU, isn't competitive or doesn't want it badly enough. Everything I saw on the court looked like a player who doesn't just want to be the No. 1 pick -- he wants to be great.
"Being the No. 1 guy, they're going to put that target on your back," Simmons said. "But you've got to be prepared for it. It comes with the territory. ... There's always going to be talk about who should be 1 or 2 in the draft. But my focus is just getting ready for the next level. I'm not worried who goes where."
Simmons seems unconcerned about where he goes. His agent has yet to commit to his working out anywhere, including Philadelphia and Los Angeles. It likely won't matter. Sources say the Sixers are strongly leaning toward taking Simmons No. 1. If they don't, the Lakers will jump on him at No. 2.
...
"It's an 82-game season. You have to prepare for that," he said. "I'm worried about playing against Paul George, Kevin Durant and LeBron James next season. Once you get drafted, you're at the bottom. You have to start all over again. People don't care where you were drafted. They just care whether you can play.
"This is my job now. This is the main focus for me. I have to come in every day and put the work in. This is a great job. I love doing it. Every day, the goal is to get better."
http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16033779/chad-ford-workout-confidential-ben-simmons-dejounte-murray-2016-nba-draft
mksp wrote:Some Simmons work out info:His routine is the same every day. He gets up in the morning and heads to the gym, where he's spending time putting up shots, doing ball-handling drills, working on his transition game and change of pace -- the whole works.
The workout I saw in Cleveland looked like the drills most teams put guards through. That Simmons looked comfortable in that setting explains his appeal as the No. 1 pick in the draft. Guys who are 6-foot-10, 240 pounds, move as effortlessly as he does on the court and are as comfortable as he is with the ball just don't come along ... really, ever.
Simmons' jump shot has been the major source of concern about his game. But the indications are, while he's no Kevin Durant, his jumper is not broken.
He shot just three 3s all season at LSU. I saw him get up roughly 100 NBA 3s in the workout. His outside shot is getting better -- or maybe it was solid all along, and he just seldom used it.
...
"The one thing that almost always gets better from college to the pros is a guy's jumper," one NBA GM told me Tuesday. "It's a fixable problem, and frankly, I'm not sure how much of a problem it really is. LeBron [James] couldn't shoot when he came out. Lots of guys couldn't. They get better."After the morning gym workout, Simmons headed to the weight room, primarily to work on his core and do pool workouts. He has added muscle, and his body is lean, chiseled and explosive.
Then he was back in the gym in the afternoon -- and one more time at night. Three-a-days for the first month, then two-a-days the past month. On the weekends, he's got yoga, boxing and Pilates for balance and focus.
Simmons' work ethic the past two months has been extraordinary. It's a counter-narrative to whispers in the media that Simmons didn't care at LSU, isn't competitive or doesn't want it badly enough. Everything I saw on the court looked like a player who doesn't just want to be the No. 1 pick -- he wants to be great.
"Being the No. 1 guy, they're going to put that target on your back," Simmons said. "But you've got to be prepared for it. It comes with the territory. ... There's always going to be talk about who should be 1 or 2 in the draft. But my focus is just getting ready for the next level. I'm not worried who goes where."
Simmons seems unconcerned about where he goes. His agent has yet to commit to his working out anywhere, including Philadelphia and Los Angeles. It likely won't matter. Sources say the Sixers are strongly leaning toward taking Simmons No. 1. If they don't, the Lakers will jump on him at No. 2.
...
"It's an 82-game season. You have to prepare for that," he said. "I'm worried about playing against Paul George, Kevin Durant and LeBron James next season. Once you get drafted, you're at the bottom. You have to start all over again. People don't care where you were drafted. They just care whether you can play.
"This is my job now. This is the main focus for me. I have to come in every day and put the work in. This is a great job. I love doing it. Every day, the goal is to get better."
http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16033779/chad-ford-workout-confidential-ben-simmons-dejounte-murray-2016-nba-draft
mksp wrote:Some Simmons work out info:His routine is the same every day. He gets up in the morning and heads to the gym, where he's spending time putting up shots, doing ball-handling drills, working on his transition game and change of pace -- the whole works.
The workout I saw in Cleveland looked like the drills most teams put guards through. That Simmons looked comfortable in that setting explains his appeal as the No. 1 pick in the draft. Guys who are 6-foot-10, 240 pounds, move as effortlessly as he does on the court and are as comfortable as he is with the ball just don't come along ... really, ever.
Simmons' jump shot has been the major source of concern about his game. But the indications are, while he's no Kevin Durant, his jumper is not broken.
He shot just three 3s all season at LSU. I saw him get up roughly 100 NBA 3s in the workout. His outside shot is getting better -- or maybe it was solid all along, and he just seldom used it.
...
"The one thing that almost always gets better from college to the pros is a guy's jumper," one NBA GM told me Tuesday. "It's a fixable problem, and frankly, I'm not sure how much of a problem it really is. LeBron [James] couldn't shoot when he came out. Lots of guys couldn't. They get better."After the morning gym workout, Simmons headed to the weight room, primarily to work on his core and do pool workouts. He has added muscle, and his body is lean, chiseled and explosive.
Then he was back in the gym in the afternoon -- and one more time at night. Three-a-days for the first month, then two-a-days the past month. On the weekends, he's got yoga, boxing and Pilates for balance and focus.
Simmons' work ethic the past two months has been extraordinary. It's a counter-narrative to whispers in the media that Simmons didn't care at LSU, isn't competitive or doesn't want it badly enough. Everything I saw on the court looked like a player who doesn't just want to be the No. 1 pick -- he wants to be great.
"Being the No. 1 guy, they're going to put that target on your back," Simmons said. "But you've got to be prepared for it. It comes with the territory. ... There's always going to be talk about who should be 1 or 2 in the draft. But my focus is just getting ready for the next level. I'm not worried who goes where."
Simmons seems unconcerned about where he goes. His agent has yet to commit to his working out anywhere, including Philadelphia and Los Angeles. It likely won't matter. Sources say the Sixers are strongly leaning toward taking Simmons No. 1. If they don't, the Lakers will jump on him at No. 2.
...
"It's an 82-game season. You have to prepare for that," he said. "I'm worried about playing against Paul George, Kevin Durant and LeBron James next season. Once you get drafted, you're at the bottom. You have to start all over again. People don't care where you were drafted. They just care whether you can play.
"This is my job now. This is the main focus for me. I have to come in every day and put the work in. This is a great job. I love doing it. Every day, the goal is to get better."
http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16033779/chad-ford-workout-confidential-ben-simmons-dejounte-murray-2016-nba-draft
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .