Official Brett Brown thread

[76thBearCub]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I think we agree its all about Embiids development and Simmons return and development.

Embiid wants to win some basketball games. He is not fooling around. So we need to help him do that. I would love to get another top 3 pick but at this point I do think winning becomes a priority.

Plus we might get some extra lottery balls from the Kings trade.

But how we help him do that is we obviously have to get him some talent to work with or look at the coaching.

I am in favor of getting some talent. Brown deserves that chance. I get emotional like everybody else and criticize but he really hasn't even had a decent shot yet. We need a guard. Bayless should be coming back, but if that goes as well as Kendall Marshall did last year, we're in a bad spot.

Lol I really **** this up somehow. Such is life.

[Easymoney]

Are there any coaches on the market who know how to properly utilize offensive bigs?

I am baffled that a guy who came from SA doesn't understand how to use Embiid and Okafor.

[Bigballer74]

Not a Brett Brown fan at all, and definitely on the side of he needs to go, but.... if firing BB means we have to endure JO'B, than **** that. Wait till the offseason.

[MatthewGeigerII]

Are there any coaches on the market who know how to properly utilize offensive bigs?

I am baffled that a guy who came from SA doesn't understand how to use Embiid and Okafor.

found a list of "availible" coaches - from before the season. Luke was #1

1- Luke Walton -Lakers got him...
2. Ettore Messina, assistant coach, San Antonio Spurs
3. Adrian Griffin, assistant coach, Orlando Magic
4. Kevin Ollie, head coach, University of Connecticut
5. Becky Hammon, assistant coach, San Antonio Spurs
6. Sean Miller, head coach, University of Arizona
7. John Calipari, head coach, University of Kentucky
8. Nancy Lieberman, assistant coach, Sacramento Kings
9. Chris Mullin, head coach, St. John's University
10. Sam Cassell, assistant coach, Los Angeles Clippers
11. Juwan Howard, assistant coach, Miami Heat

the one that is interesting is Sean Miller - he has ties to USA basketball apparently coached the U-19 team?



not saying i want BB gone. i think you have to wait to see how he works with simmons and if their relationship is special IMO.
but to answer your question - those are some of the names that will be hot.

[Negrodamus]

Are there any coaches on the market who know how to properly utilize offensive bigs?

I am baffled that a guy who came from SA doesn't understand how to use Embiid and Okafor.

found a list of "availible" coaches - from before the season. Luke was #1

1- Luke Walton -Lakers got him...
2. Ettore Messina, assistant coach, San Antonio Spurs
3. Adrian Griffin, assistant coach, Orlando Magic
4. Kevin Ollie, head coach, University of Connecticut
5. Becky Hammon, assistant coach, San Antonio Spurs
6. Sean Miller, head coach, University of Arizona
7. John Calipari, head coach, University of Kentucky
8. Nancy Lieberman, assistant coach, Sacramento Kings
9. Chris Mullin, head coach, St. John's University
10. Sam Cassell, assistant coach, Los Angeles Clippers
11. Juwan Howard, assistant coach, Miami Heat

the one that is interesting is Sean Miller - he has ties to USA basketball apparently coached the U-19 team?



not saying i want BB gone. i think you have to wait to see how he works with simmons and if their relationship is special IMO.
but to answer your question - those are some of the names that will be hot.

What Dave Joerger did with Randolph and Gasol in Memphis was amazing. He's definitely a big man coach in my opinion. Cousins seems to enjoy him now too.

[bedjawII]

Are there any coaches on the market who know how to properly utilize offensive bigs?

I am baffled that a guy who came from SA doesn't understand how to use Embiid and Okafor.

found a list of "availible" coaches - from before the season. Luke was #1

1- Luke Walton -Lakers got him...
2. Ettore Messina, assistant coach, San Antonio Spurs
3. Adrian Griffin, assistant coach, Orlando Magic
4. Kevin Ollie, head coach, University of Connecticut
5. Becky Hammon, assistant coach, San Antonio Spurs
6. Sean Miller, head coach, University of Arizona
7. John Calipari, head coach, University of Kentucky
8. Nancy Lieberman, assistant coach, Sacramento Kings
9. Chris Mullin, head coach, St. John's University
10. Sam Cassell, assistant coach, Los Angeles Clippers
11. Juwan Howard, assistant coach, Miami Heat

the one that is interesting is Sean Miller - he has ties to USA basketball apparently coached the U-19 team?



not saying i want BB gone. i think you have to wait to see how he works with simmons and if their relationship is special IMO.
but to answer your question - those are some of the names that will be hot.

What Dave Joerger did with Randolph and Gasol in Memphis was amazing. He's definitely a big man coach in my opinion. Cousins seems to enjoy him now too.

Both were seasoned vets when he got there plus the rest of the roster was infinitely better then what we have. NBA is a talent league and that was the entire premise of the process. Hinkie knew you can't win (no exceptions) without talent. The Sixers are no more talented today then they have been the last two years. Embiid for all his greatness still plays 24 minutes like a guy who is still finding his way. Jah is still not himself. There are no other NBA starters on the roster. To say BB can't or can coach at this point is foolish. You can't tell if his offensive sets are working when TJ McConnell is running them. When GH is the #1 option to close out a game there is nothing any coach can do. When your all world prospect, who is the offensive focal point but is also a turnover machine, there is nothing a coach can do.

[jbent87]

this is such an internal struggle. How do you justify firing a guy who has this crop of players to work with? That said, this team was in every game this season besides Hawks/Jazz. If that's the case, don't you have to find a way to win at least one of those close games? Doesn't a better coach get wins in those situations?

[SelfishPlayer]

To say BB can't or can coach at this point is foolish.

No it's not. You can look at the end of the game against Indiana where he subbed out the lineup that gave them the lead. Who does that? What coach doesn't stick with the hot hand or the hot lineup to finish the game? He bucked tradition with a horrible coaching decision. Most coaches stick with the lineup that got them back into the game, UNLESS, they have a superstar on the bench to insert.

Joel Embiid, Richaun Holmes, and Jahlil Okafor presently have the three highest PERs on the team at 24.4, 18.4,and 17.7 yet all three split minutes exclusively at the same position. Richaun Holmes is shooting 75% from 3, Embiid is shooting 66.7 from 3 and these guys can't play on the floor at the same time as Jahlil?

Brett Brown is a bad coach just like Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Greg Roman who was fired during the season. Greg Roman had LeSean McCoy running all plays to the outside which didn't result in much success. Once he was fired the offensive coordinator that replaced him started calling plays for Shady to run downhill and the running game took off. The average football fan initially blamed Shady for the lack of production, but it was truly the fired offensive coordinator Greg Roman misusing his personnel that resulted in the awful running game.

Brett Brown will have to be fired before the average basketball fan can see how inept he is. But that's assuming that the Sixers do not replace him with another inept coach. This is a team that employed Tony DiLeo as GM and coach.

[jbent87]

A rant I got caught in from another thread: Thought it applied more here. I'm worried about Brett being Bryan Colangelos sacrificial lamb.

We saw the public outcry last season through the media with how bad the team was. Why would that change this year? Just because Hinkie is gone? BC is gonna try to avoid that at all costs. If not he's going to be forced into letting Brett go. Which scares me, bc I don't think that's right. But BC isn't gonna own another pathetic, tank-like season. So I think instead of getting Brett's blood on his hands, he should make a move to bring some talent in. I would rather lose an asset to retain Brett, I think. Because I don't want to wipe the organization of what it took to got here. We already have the mercenary GM, I don't want a mercenary head coach too.

[TTP]

To say BB can't or can coach at this point is foolish.

No it's not. You can look at the end of the game against Indiana where he subbed out the lineup that gave them the lead. Who does that? What coach doesn't stick with the hot hand or the hot lineup to finish the game? He bucked tradition with a horrible coaching decision. Most coaches stick with the lineup that got them back into the game, UNLESS, they have a superstar on the bench to insert.

Joel Embiid, Richaun Holmes, and Jahlil Okafor presently have the three highest PERs on the team at 24.4, 18.4,and 17.7 yet all three split minutes exclusively at the same position. Richaun Holmes is shooting 75% from 3, Embiid is shooting 66.7 from 3 and these guys can't play on the floor at the same time as Jahlil?

Brett Brown is a bad coach just like Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Greg Roman who was fired during the season. Greg Roman had LeSean McCoy running all plays to the outside which didn't result in much success. Once he was fired the offensive coordinator that replaced him started calling plays for Shady to run downhill and the running game took off. The average football fan initially blamed Shady for the lack of production, but it was truly the fired offensive coordinator Greg Roman misusing his personnel that resulted in the awful running game.

Brett Brown will have to be fired before the average basketball fan can see how inept he is. But that's assuming that the Sixers do not replace him with another inept coach. This is a team that employed Tony DiLeo as GM and coach.

The bolded is such a poor argument. Richaun Holmes is 3 of 4 from three this season but is still ~23% career. His poor free throw shooting is fairly indicative that he's not a good shooter yet. Stating that he's shooting 75% from 3 is incredibly disingenuous and you should know better.

PER is such a weak statistic to use as evidence for your claims. It's possible that all three of them are negatives on offense right now. Richaun might be a positive but it's difficult to tell - I'd like to see RPM numbers when they come out.

Also you don't even mention defense in your argument.

[SelfishPlayer]

Also you don't even mention defense in your argument.

Dario Saric and Ersan Ilyasova currently are the guys at PF and they are horrendous defenders. Dario and Ersan are very soft NBA players that are afraid to finish around the basket so they both are shooting below 40% from the field. Ersan is shooting 39% and Dario is shooting 38.2%. Brett Brown is a terrible coach. He doesn't even embrace the basics of getting your best players on the floor. He's failing by NOT doing it. His way hasn't produced a single win this season and last season the Sixers were horrible as he refused to play Okafor at PF with Noel at center.

[TTP]

Also you don't even mention defense in your argument.

Dario Saric and Ersan Ilyasova currently are the guys at PF and they are horrendous defenders. Dario and Ersan are very soft NBA players that are afraid to finish around the basket so they both are shooting below 40% from the field. Ersan is shooting 39% and Dario is shooting 38.2%. Brett Brown is a terrible coach. He doesn't even embrace the basics of getting your best players on the floor. He's failing by NOT doing it. His way hasn't produced a single win this season and last season the Sixers were horrible as he refused to play Okafor at PF with Noel at center.

Dario's offensive and total on/off splits are the highest on the team right now and his defense has graded as only a very slight negative (but still significantly better than Ilyasova, Okafor, or Holmes at their respective positions). He and Covington would be our ideal options at the 4 right now. We've been forced to play Covington down a position at the 3 due to lack of options there but Hollis is playing well lately. I wouldn't mind seeing more Sergio/Henderson/Hollis/Covington/Embiid or Sergio/Hollis/Covington/Saric/Embiid lineups.

I have very little faith in the Okafor PF experiment. It would likely be a disaster on both ends even with Embiid capable of providing spacing and rim protection. I just don't see what Okafor would do better in that lineup than Saric, Covington, or Noel once he comes back.

I like Richaun a lot and think he's earned minutes, but I don't see him playing PF anytime soon. He needs to live around the basket to be effective on offense and I don't see him being able to defend out to the perimeter.

[SelfishPlayer]

Also you don't even mention defense in your argument.

Dario Saric and Ersan Ilyasova currently are the guys at PF and they are horrendous defenders. Dario and Ersan are very soft NBA players that are afraid to finish around the basket so they both are shooting below 40% from the field. Ersan is shooting 39% and Dario is shooting 38.2%. Brett Brown is a terrible coach. He doesn't even embrace the basics of getting your best players on the floor. He's failing by NOT doing it. His way hasn't produced a single win this season and last season the Sixers were horrible as he refused to play Okafor at PF with Noel at center.

Dario's offensive and total on/off splits are the highest on the team right now and his defense has graded as only a very slight negative (but still significantly better than Ilyasova, Okafor, or Holmes at their respective positions). He and Covington would be our ideal options at the 4 right now. We've been forced to play Covington down a position at the 3 due to lack of options there but Hollis is playing well lately. I wouldn't mind seeing more Sergio/Henderson/Hollis/Covington/Embiid or Sergio/Hollis/Covington/Saric/Embiid lineups.

I have very little faith in the Okafor PF experiment. It would likely be a disaster on both ends even with Embiid capable of providing spacing and rim protection. I just don't see what Okafor would do better in that lineup than Saric, Covington, or Noel once he comes back.

I like Richaun a lot and think he's earned minutes, but I don't see him playing PF anytime soon. He needs to live around the basket to be effective on offense and I don't see him being able to defend out to the perimeter.

Dario Saric is shooting 38% from the field, he is TERRIBLE on offense! His defense sucks because he's unathletic and not long enough to block shots and he doesn't produce any steals. Saric moves like he's 36 years of age. Holmes plays 10 less minutes than Saric and still produces over a block per game. Holmes is the superior athlete and player and I find it laughable that anyone would suggest that Saric is a better defensive player than Holmes while defending any position on the floor. Brett Brown is not allowing a competitive environment for playing time. Saric should be the 4th big into the rotation and Covington at the PF position? That's how you lose games in the NBA!

[Mik317]

Dario is a rookie and had a rough start...so no **** his % are bad. Dario does the little things.

Probably not a full time starter but he's been fine.

and your Ersan hate is hillarious. Neither guy has been the problem bro.
The problem is our backcourt and wings aren't good and never have a good game at the same time. Which means the moment one has to sit, things go to hell. So for example, often when Sergio was running the offense well, TJ would come in and things would go to hell. Same thing with Covington on the floor over Good Game Hollis. We have too many guys who give us NOTHING a lot of games that get big minutes because there is no alternatives.

and as for the Jah at the 4 ****...even if that was a good idea. Its not possible right now because we have 24 minutes of each and 48 minutes at the center. If anything THAT has been the best thing Brett has done so far this season.

[TTP]

Dario Saric is shooting 38% from the field, he is TERRIBLE on offense! His defense sucks because he's unathletic and not long enough to block shots and he doesn't produce any steals. Saric moves like he's 36 years of age. Holmes plays 10 less minutes than Saric and still produces over a block per game. Holmes is the superior athlete and player and I find it laughable that anyone would suggest that Saric is a better defensive player than Holmes while defending any position on the floor. Brett Brown is not allowing a competitive environment for playing time. Saric should be the 4th big into the rotation and Covington at the PF position? That's how you lose games in the NBA!

Yet the Sixers' offense scores 12.5 more points per 100 possessions when Dario is on the court compared to off. There's more to offense than shooting and Dario seems to be pretty decent at various aspects of offense that don't show up in the box score - screening, spacing, moving the ball quickly, moving without the ball, etc. He also appears solid at recognizing when to iso post up when he has a mismatch.

I was expecting Dario to be a weak defender because as you said, he's unathletic, not long, and doesn't generate steals. However, the Sixers' defense gives up 1.7 fewer points per 100 possessions when he's on the floor. Combining those, he's been a huge net positive - the highest on the team (+14.1). We'll see if it continues.

Just as offense is more than scoring, defense is more than blocks and steals. Holmes generates more blocks but he's also likely out of position significantly more. The team gives up 6.4 more points per 100 possessions when he's on the floor compared to off.

Saric should certainly be starting. I mentioned that Covington would function well getting PF minutes because it's very possible that it's his natural position, as NylonCalculus' DRE differences highlight.

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[SelfishPlayer]

Dario Saric is shooting 38% from the field, he is TERRIBLE on offense! His defense sucks because he's unathletic and not long enough to block shots and he doesn't produce any steals. Saric moves like he's 36 years of age. Holmes plays 10 less minutes than Saric and still produces over a block per game. Holmes is the superior athlete and player and I find it laughable that anyone would suggest that Saric is a better defensive player than Holmes while defending any position on the floor. Brett Brown is not allowing a competitive environment for playing time. Saric should be the 4th big into the rotation and Covington at the PF position? That's how you lose games in the NBA!

Yet the Sixers' offense scores 12.5 more points per 100 possessions when Dario is on the court compared to off. There's more to offense than shooting and Dario seems to be pretty decent at various aspects of offense that don't show up in the box score - screening, spacing, moving the ball quickly, moving without the ball, etc. He also appears solid at recognizing when to iso post up when he has a mismatch.

I was expecting Dario to be a weak defender because as you said, he's unathletic, not long, and doesn't generate steals. However, the Sixers' defense gives up 1.7 fewer points per 100 possessions when he's on the floor. Combining those, he's been a huge net positive - the highest on the team (+14.1). We'll see if it continues.

Just as offense is more than scoring, defense is more than blocks and steals. Holmes generates more blocks but he's also likely out of position significantly more. The team gives up 6.4 more points per 100 possessions when he's on the floor compared to off.

Saric should certainly be starting. I mentioned that Covington would function well getting PF minutes because it's very possible that it's his natural position, as NylonCalculus' DRE differences highlight.

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The advanced stats that you mentioned are in losing efforts. There aren't any advanced stats for Embiid, Okafor, Holmes lineups because Brett Brown the loser doesn't allow it! I'm arguing for change, you are arguing to stand pat. We already know what happens when you play Dario, Ersan, and Covington at PF, the Sixers LOSE! What happens when you insert Embiid and Okafor? What happens with an Embiid and Holmes front court? Saric shoots 38% from the field!

[Ericb5]

Dario Saric is shooting 38% from the field, he is TERRIBLE on offense! His defense sucks because he's unathletic and not long enough to block shots and he doesn't produce any steals. Saric moves like he's 36 years of age. Holmes plays 10 less minutes than Saric and still produces over a block per game. Holmes is the superior athlete and player and I find it laughable that anyone would suggest that Saric is a better defensive player than Holmes while defending any position on the floor. Brett Brown is not allowing a competitive environment for playing time. Saric should be the 4th big into the rotation and Covington at the PF position? That's how you lose games in the NBA!

Yet the Sixers' offense scores 12.5 more points per 100 possessions when Dario is on the court compared to off. There's more to offense than shooting and Dario seems to be pretty decent at various aspects of offense that don't show up in the box score - screening, spacing, moving the ball quickly, moving without the ball, etc. He also appears solid at recognizing when to iso post up when he has a mismatch.

I was expecting Dario to be a weak defender because as you said, he's unathletic, not long, and doesn't generate steals. However, the Sixers' defense gives up 1.7 fewer points per 100 possessions when he's on the floor. Combining those, he's been a huge net positive - the highest on the team (+14.1). We'll see if it continues.

Just as offense is more than scoring, defense is more than blocks and steals. Holmes generates more blocks but he's also likely out of position significantly more. The team gives up 6.4 more points per 100 possessions when he's on the floor compared to off.

Saric should certainly be starting. I mentioned that Covington would function well getting PF minutes because it's very possible that it's his natural position, as NylonCalculus' DRE differences highlight.

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The advanced stats that you mentioned are in losing efforts. There aren't any advanced stats for Embiid, Okafor, Holmes lineups because Brett Brown the loser doesn't allow it! I'm arguing for change, you are arguing to stand pat. We already know what happens when you play Dario, Ersan, and Covington at PF, the Sixers LOSE! What happens when you insert Embiid and Okafor? What happens with an Embiid and Holmes front court? Saric shoots 38% from the field!

I don't understand what you are saying. You want Okafor, Embiid, and Holmes to be on the floor at the same time? That will never happen.

Okafor and Embiid certainly will, and Brown said that he looks forward to doing it. He is just avoiding it while they both have minutes restrictions, which makes sense. Okafor should be off of his restrictions before Embiid, and at that point we will probably see him play the 4 next to Embiid a lot more.

[TTP]

They're in losing efforts because you're either unwilling or incapable of investigating what I'm saying and you can't get past the fact that shooting percentages are only one factor in offensive success. You think Saric is horrible on offense, but if that's the case, why is the Sixers' offense best when he's on the floor?

I'm not arguing to stand pat. If I had it my way, both Okafor and Ilyasova would be gone. I also suggested two lineups that have barely been used this season. We've played 1 minute this season with the Sergio/Hollis/Covington/Saric/Embiid lineup that I suggested. We've played 2 minutes with the Sergio/Henderson/Hollis/Covington/Embiid lineup. They've hardly been tested.

[SelfishPlayer]

You think Saric is horrible on offense, but if that's the case, why is the Sixers' offense best when he's on the floor?

Dario Saric currently has a -5 BPM while Richaun Holmes has a 2.2 BPM...

BPM relies on a player's box score information and the team's overall performance to estimate a player's performance relative to league average. BPM is a per-100-possession stat, the same scale as Adjusted Plus/Minus: 0.0 is league average, +5 means the player is 5 points better than an average player over 100 possessions (which is about All-NBA level), -2 is replacement level, and -5 is really bad.http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm.html

Dario Saric is "really bad."

[Ericb5]

You think Saric is horrible on offense, but if that's the case, why is the Sixers' offense best when he's on the floor?

Dario Saric currently has a -5 BPM while Richaun Holmes has a 2.2 BPM...

BPM relies on a player's box score information and the team's overall performance to estimate a player's performance relative to league average. BPM is a per-100-possession stat, the same scale as Adjusted Plus/Minus: 0.0 is league average, +5 means the player is 5 points better than an average player over 100 possessions (which is about All-NBA level), -2 is replacement level, and -5 is really bad.http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm.html

Dario Saric is "really bad."

You have to admit that the sample size is not big enough for these numbers to make sense. Saric has played less than 10 games, and started the season on a brutal shooting slump.

That doesn't even take into account that he is a 22 year old rookie that played all of his previous experience in European basketball which is pretty different than NBA basketball.

Make this argument at the end of the season, and it will have more validity.