Noel's Trade Value is at its Highest Now

WarriorsLakers · Post #141 » by **WarriorsLakers** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:09 pm

hookshot199 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
Not for Noel. You jest.

Are you saying Russell isn't worth Noel?

Yes, I'm saying that. It's not even close. Noel is going to be an elite defensive player. Russell's going to be an elite passer. Give me D always. But beyond that, Russell lacks quickness both on offense and defense. He's a guard equivalent to Okafor. He'll be an adequate pro, but not a foundation piece. Both the Lakers and Sixers missed with their picks.

Gsraider · Post #142 » by **Gsraider** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:41 pm

[quote="hookshot199]Yes, I'm saying that. It's not even close. Noel is going to be an elite defensive player. Russell's going to be an elite passer. Give me D always. But beyond that, Russell lacks quickness both on offense and defense. He's a guard equivalent to Okafor. He'll be an adequate pro, but not a foundation piece. Both the Lakers and Sixers missed with their picks.[/quote]

Regardless of what you think of either player, this cannot be judged in a vacuum due to salaries. Russell, like Okafor was taken last year so he doesn't even become an RFA until 2019 I believe, whereas Noel reaches that status next year in 2017. Thus, even if a team like the Lakers wanted Noel and valued him more highly than Russell, they would have to be willing to pay about 3 times the salary for Noel over the next 2 years than they would for Russell. Not sure what the Lakers cap situation is, but that's pretty significant. All things being equal however, and if salary was no object, I'd prefer to have Noel if I was building a team. I was really high on Russell coming out, but much like E. Turner, the pro version has not lived up to what I thought he would be coming out of college.

ProcessDoctor · Post #143 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:50 pm

I understand both sides of the Noel-Russell argument. If Embiid were to ever go down and we didn't have Noel, we'd be back at square one defensively. Defensive anchors like those two are rare. However, if there was some guarantee Embiid would stay healthy, then it's a no-brainer IMO. In spite of his flaws, Russell is the type of player who would thrive playing with Simmons/Embiid. The good news is that both players fit well with Embiid, and likely Simmons.

hookshot199 · Post #144 » by **hookshot199** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:52 pm

WarriorsLakers wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Are you saying Russell isn't worth Noel?

Yes, I'm saying that. It's not even close. Noel is going to be an elite defensive player. Russell's going to be an elite passer. Give me D always. But beyond that, Russell lacks quickness both on offense and defense. He's a guard equivalent to Okafor. He'll be an adequate pro, but not a foundation piece. Both the Lakers and Sixers missed with their picks.

I am not Philly management, but I wouldn't touch Russell with a player the caliber of Noel. You obviously haven't watched him play. Nor have you followed the career path of players like Marcus Camby and Joakim Noah. Check their career stats and then, keep in mind that Noel only played two-thirds of a college season. Camby played three, Noah played two. And Noel missed his first pro season. Anyway, I don't normally like to use snotty-ass icons ( :noway:

). But many on the Philly board are happy with our foundation.

WarriorsLakers · Post #145 » by **WarriorsLakers** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:31 pm

double post

WarriorsLakers · Post #146 » by **WarriorsLakers** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:32 pm

hookshot199 wrote:
WarriorsLakers wrote:

I am not Philly management, but I wouldn't touch Russell with a player the caliber of Noel. You obviously haven't watched him play. Nor have you followed the career path of players like Marcus Camby and Joakim Noah. Check their career stats and then, keep in mind that Noel only played two-thirds of a college season. Camby played three, Noah played two. And Noel missed his first pro season. Anyway, I don't normally like to use snotty-ass icons ( ). But many on the Philly board are happy with our foundation.

point is you are not even getting Clarkson or nance for Noel when Noel is seeking >20m in the coming summer

Also if noel is so good, you would have gotten ransom for him by now.

Unbreakable99 · Post #147 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:41 pm

WarriorsLakers wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
WarriorsLakers wrote:

I am not Philly management, but I wouldn't touch Russell with a player the caliber of Noel. You obviously haven't watched him play. Nor have you followed the career path of players like Marcus Camby and Joakim Noah. Check their career stats and then, keep in mind that Noel only played two-thirds of a college season. Camby played three, Noah played two. And Noel missed his first pro season. Anyway, I don't normally like to use snotty-ass icons ( ). But many on the Philly board are happy with our foundation.

point is you are not even getting Clarkson or nance for Noel when Noel is seeking >20m in the coming summer

Also if noel is so good, you would have gotten ransom for him by now.

Noel isn't going to be traded to the Lakers. Deal with it.

WarriorsLakers · Post #148 » by **WarriorsLakers** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:43 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
WarriorsLakers wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
I am not Philly management, but I wouldn't touch Russell with a player the caliber of Noel. You obviously haven't watched him play. Nor have you followed the career path of players like Marcus Camby and Joakim Noah. Check their career stats and then, keep in mind that Noel only played two-thirds of a college season. Camby played three, Noah played two. And Noel missed his first pro season. Anyway, I don't normally like to use snotty-ass icons ( ). But many on the Philly board are happy with our foundation.

point is you are not even getting Clarkson or nance for Noel when Noel is seeking >20m in the coming summer

Also if noel is so good, you would have gotten ransom for him by now.

Noel isn't going to be traded to the Lakers. Deal with it.

don't want him either. this is not about noel but throwing trash at DLO when its not needed

Post #149 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:16 am

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Sixersftw · Post #150 » by **Sixersftw** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:29 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:

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hookshot199 · Post #151 » by **hookshot199** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:30 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:

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Let's hope it's true. Pompey is usually a pretty decent weather vane if nothing else.

Sixersftw · Post #152 » by **Sixersftw** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:34 am

hookshot199 wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:

Read on Twitter

Let's hope it's true. Pompey is usually a pretty decent weather vane if nothing else.

He's solid on facts and getting quotes. His opinions are complete horse ****.

76ciology · Post #153 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:33 am

At this point, do you want to trade Noel for Ingram? Ingram's really struggling with a -3.3 OBPM. Russell on offense with Noel on D could be an enticing idea for them.

Post #154 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:49 am

76ciology wrote:At this point, do you want to trade Noel for Ingram? Ingram's really struggling with a -3.3 OBPM. Russell on offense with Noel on D could be an enticing idea for them.

Well yeah but Lakers wouldn't do that in a million years

LloydFree · Post #155 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:57 am

Sixerscan wrote:
76ciology wrote:At this point, do you want to trade Noel for Ingram? Ingram's really struggling with a -3.3 OBPM. Russell on offense with Noel on D could be an enticing idea for them.

Well yeah but Lakers wouldn't do that in a million years

The Lakers wouldn't trade either one of them to the 76ers for anything less than Ben Simmons. If they did for anything less, Kupchak would deserve to fired on the spot.

This Noel to Lakers rumor is nothing but BS. There is no match with the two teams. The Lakers aren't going to give Ingram or Russell for anything on our team not named Embiid or Simmons. The Lakers can't trade their own pick until 2021 and they don't have anything else on their roster that the 76ers would want. Jordan Clarkson isn't valuable (Teams know Jordan Clarkson is a run-of-the-mill, bench, combo guard that lucked out into a high usage situation on a terrible team). Besides, the 76ers aren't going to trade anything to the Lakers that would make them better this year anyway.

TTP · Post #156 » by **TTP** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:21 am

hookshot199 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
Not for Noel. You jest.

Are you saying Russell isn't worth Noel?

Yes, I'm saying that. It's not even close. Noel is going to be an elite defensive player. Russell's going to be an elite passer. Give me D always. But beyond that, Russell lacks quickness both on offense and defense. He's a guard equivalent to Okafor. He'll be an adequate pro, but not a foundation piece. Both the Lakers and Sixers missed with their picks.

This is nuts. The contract situations make it not close. DAR is worth significantly more than Noel.

TTP · Post #157 » by **TTP** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:32 am

WarriorsLakers wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
WarriorsLakers wrote:

I am not Philly management, but I wouldn't touch Russell with a player the caliber of Noel. You obviously haven't watched him play. Nor have you followed the career path of players like Marcus Camby and Joakim Noah. Check their career stats and then, keep in mind that Noel only played two-thirds of a college season. Camby played three, Noah played two. And Noel missed his first pro season. Anyway, I don't normally like to use snotty-ass icons ( ). But many on the Philly board are happy with our foundation.

point is you are not even getting Clarkson or nance for Noel when Noel is seeking >20m in the coming summer

Also if noel is so good, you would have gotten ransom for him by now.

I agree with your argument that the contract situations make Noel worth significantly less than Russell.

I do not agree with the bolded though. There are plenty of possibilities for why he hasn't been moved yet. However, even if the Sixers haven't been offered much for him, that only indicates that the market doesn't value him much (especially considering contract situation), not that he isn't good. His split stats without Jahlil were pretty great last season.

Kolkmania · Post #158 » by **Kolkmania** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:32 am

I'm probably one of the biggest fans of Nerlens around here, but it all depends on this summer. Is he willing to sign a 4 year, 18/20 million deal, playing ~18 minutes as a center and some minutes next to Embiid? If so, don't trade him. Does he want to start and end games or want a max contract? In that case he should play until the trade deadline to increase his value, after that it's Okafor's time to develop.

BigSleep333 · Post #159 » by **BigSleep333** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:36 am

noel really acts like a 6 year old. first, hes bitchin around all the time assuming he will get traded and wont play much. now it seems he is the happiest person on earth the last weeks with his role over okafor

. fascinating :lol:

hookshot199 · Post #160 » by **hookshot199** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:39 pm

TTP wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Are you saying Russell isn't worth Noel?

Yes, I'm saying that. It's not even close. Noel is going to be an elite defensive player. Russell's going to be an elite passer. Give me D always. But beyond that, Russell lacks quickness both on offense and defense. He's a guard equivalent to Okafor. He'll be an adequate pro, but not a foundation piece. Both the Lakers and Sixers missed with their picks.

This is nuts. The contract situations make it not close. DAR is worth significantly more than Noel.

How so? Check their cap space. Noel, at $20-$25 mil, will have no significant effect for three years. Only the fourth year.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/philadelphia_76ers/

Which option do you prefer?