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Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

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Grade the trade

A+
49
26%
A
43
23%
A-
28
15%
B+
24
13%
B
14
8%
B-
2
1%
C+
1
1%
C
6
3%
D
5
3%
F
14
8%
 
Total votes: 186

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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#141 » by smittybanton » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:57 pm

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Meh. The odds that it is a high lottery pick is quite high, as is the likelihood that several players in next years' draft fit aside Embiid and Simmons, as is the likelihood that the player we'd get at #3 is as good as Fultz. If Fultz is a star, BC wins. But I don't see that. I see a very good player, like six of the other top prospects. Fultz is not a full "top ten pick" better than DSJ in my book.

Matter of fact, "fit" is a two-way street. Fultz absolutely does not fit the logjam Boston has at guard. If Sixers' fans were foolish to expect a great return when we have a logjam, how do we justify paying Boston a ransom when they can't use Fultz in the first place. They don't even have minutes for Josh Jackson.

We also have $50M to find players that fit. The old adage is draft for talent, free agency is for fit. BC was supposed to use his relationships to leverage that money into something nice that "fits".

Moreover, "fitting" into BC's conception of a basketball team means we're not going to focus on defense, and are likely to plateau at some point in the future. Consider his boy, Mike D'Antoni. Pretty much same credentials as BC, and we brought him in. He gets a job coaching the Rockets, and they finish exactly as D'Antoni's teams always do--in the playoffs, bounced in the second round, because they don't take defense serious enough.

Getting Fultz is nice. But giving up LA18 says that now and in the future, we're in for consistently mediocre decision-making. How can the team itself not reflect that, eventually? Championship dream dying a death of a thousand cuts.

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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#142 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:58 pm

On one hand, Ainge usually wins trades. On the other hand, BC usually drafts better than most...could be a win-win depending on the value we give up.

Edit: If it's the LAL pick, I wish there were a way to steal one of their other guards too (i.e. Smart or Bradley). Would give them more cap space if they really wanted to go after one or two free agents.
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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#143 » by Mik317 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:00 am

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Only crappy thing about this is the shade you know Fultz is gonna get on this board for every play he makes or doesn't. Kind of annoying but I think dude is gonna be a star so after that first year won't be much to hate on.

yep. I have no dog in this fight as i didn't watch much of Fultz but lord did I not want another prospect that is apparently as polarizing as Jah has been....time to find the Fultz version of Prokafor i guess.

i hope the kid is legit and we can look back on this and laugh...at Boston.

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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#144 » by hookshot199 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:00 am

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Huge pit in my stomach waiting to hear how Ainge fleeced BC for the Lakers and King's picks to move up.


If that happens, gonna have to start up the "Fire BC now" petition.




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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#145 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:01 am

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LongLiveHinkie wrote:If this goes down, my proudest moment as a message board poster lol

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1538335&p=54180703&hilit=Fultz#p54180703



I hope you are not only half right then. You could end up right about trading for Fultz, but you also said it will cost less than what most thought and it would be the 2017 pick plus future protected pick(s).

I would be shocked if Ainge caves and let's the future pick(s) be protected.


Well one is what I heard and the other is my own personal take based on absolutely nothing.
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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#146 » by steveb21 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:01 am

Also in the wiretap is that Magic Johnson is in love with Fultz after his workout. What are the chances Ainge floated this rumor to try to get the Lakers to move on the #1? It is that time of year.
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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#147 » by Mik317 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:03 am

then again since a lot of the board seems to be freaking out about it....perhaps it is the right move lol
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Post#148 » by nitocobola » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:03 am

steveb21 wrote:Also in the wiretap is that Magic Johnson is in love with Fultz after his workout. What are the chances Ainge floated this rumor to try to get the Lakers to move on the #1? It is that time of year.

we have way more asets than the lakers.

If they really want josh jackson then a trade with the lakers it's fine.
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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#149 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:04 am

I don't think the Lakers take Jackson. They spent the entire day with Ball today and Givony said Jackson bombed his last Lakers workout and shot horribly.
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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#150 » by hookshot199 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:05 am

KrazySixersD wrote:DO NOT TRADE LAKERS PICK. BOSTON DOES NOT EVEN WANT TO PICK FULTZ


Maybe the Lakers just traded their 2018 pick, and BC went along with it. :bang head:
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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#151 » by Slacktard » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:09 am

Ben wrote:
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This is the point. Protect the future picks. You don't give away an imminent 1st rounder unprotected or you can wind up like the Clippers circa 2011. Any GM who signs a deal like that now, with the benefit of hindsight, should be fired before the ink is dry.


That trade isn't legal I think. Can we trade our 2018 pick and 2017 pick? Wouldn't it have to be 2019?


You just can't do a trade that leaves you with zero 1st round picks for two consecutive years. Whether you retain your own original pick or one that you got from someone else, that doesn't matter. So Philly could trade its own 2017 1st round pick for Boston's 2017 pick-- Sixers have a 2017 1st round pick in that scenario-- and also the Lakers pick or Philly pick in 2018, and it'd be legal. Heck, Philly could trade both the Lakers AND the Philly 2018 pick, since Philly would have a 2017 1st rounder (the #1 overall pick).

The issue isn't legality but potential robbery, as odd as that sounds. :lol:


The trade would be illegal pre-draft, but once draft night happens the 2017 picks are no longer draft picks.

Sixers trade "draft rights to player taken #3", 2018 Lakers first, 2018 Sixers first for draft rights to Fultz.

You can always trade your current year pick and following year pick during the draft because it becomes "draft rights" to a selected player.
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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#152 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:12 am

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19656331/boston-celtics-philadelphia-76ers-talking-trade-no-1

One source close to the talks expressed confidence Friday that the deal would go through, telling ESPN: "They are swapping 1 and 3."
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Post#153 » by XtremeDunkz » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:13 am

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Post#154 » by SOUL » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:16 am

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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#155 » by 51X3RF4N » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:16 am

Celtics source saying it will most likely be #3 and either Lakers or Sac 1st round pick for #1 and D. Jackson. Boston clears a bit more salary by dumping Jackson, who the Sixers are happy to take. No other future 1sts involved per that guy.

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Post#156 » by kingofthecourt67 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:19 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Celtics source saying it will most likely be #3 and either Lakers or Sac 1st round pick for #1 and D. Jackson. Boston clears a bit more salary by dumping Jackson, who the Sixers are happy to take. No other future 1sts involved per that guy.

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This I could get behind. But if we trade more than 1 additional asset, I'm going to be very upset.
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Post#157 » by Leor_77 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:20 am

Curious Lakers fan here...I'm guessing that unless Ainge values Ball/Jax more or less equally, wouldn't the trade have to wait until the third pick is made?
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Post#158 » by Mik317 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:20 am

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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#159 » by GoSixersBro » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:21 am

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GoSixersBro wrote:It's funny reading the thread over on the Celtics forum and then this one. Doom and gloom from both sides.

Personally I'm fine with swapping 2017 picks in addition of trading either the future Sacramento or Los Angeles pick. Anything more will make me anxious, but I like Fultz and think he's just the type of player this team needs.

I'd love to hear Hinkie's thought on this deal.

Absolutely, I think both sides are afraid of what the final deal will be and I'm in this group. Boston fans don't want to move down unless they get a Nets type of fleecing. 76ers fans are happy to grab Fultz but fear giving up both the LAL and SAC picks. Until the final deal is announced, I'll be nervous. BC doesn't have my trust yet.


to fear both? this offer is god damn awful if ONE of them is included. im fine with phi18, because we will make the playoffs, but nothing more. bc is such a moron...it could be true its the lakers unprotected... :banghead:


Unless Boston is 100% confident they think they can get their guy at 3, why would they trade #1 for it and our 2018 pick? The Sixers very well could compete for the 8 seed next Spring.
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Re: Sixers deep in talks to get #1 pick for Fultz per Woj 

Post#160 » by nitocobola » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:22 am

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He is right 100%, ainge won't lose a trade.

The celtics will get butler and they will go all in for hayward.

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