2017-2018 College Basketball / '18 NBA Draft Thread

[JojoSlimbiid]

I don't see superstar in Donic but I also see zero chance he bust. Dude is too smart and too natural of the PnR. His PnR feel is almost Fultz like but without that scoring angle awareness. I've watched more Slovenia games than I should and I'm sold on him to a degree and depending on the team that get's the pick I can see him going #1.

Also Sloevnia's coach is pretty damn good. That offense is pretty wide open which is somewhat a surprise for a Euroleague team.

Oh he's better in the P&R than Fultz, way more patient and sees the entire court at any time, those cross-court passes for open corner threes are so impressive at his age and taking into account the level of competition. Fultz is a more natural scorer and is better and more creative driving to the rim. Also you can't learn having a 6'10 wingspan as a guard, he's got a physical advantage compared to Doncic.

I disagree that he's better on the PnR at best he's different IMO. Fultz splits better and attacks off PnR better. Those same cross-court passes Doncic makes I've seen Fultz make but I have't seen Doncic split or pull up like Fultz can. Both have good feel passing out of the PnR but there is a tremendous gap scoring off of the play. Doncic is taller so he has a height advantage and can see some plays Fultz wouldn't.

The whole competition angle get's used to prop up young euro prospects but it's never used in the opposite way. Fact is guys like Sergio Lull, Anthony Randolph, Rudy Fernandez are by far better teammates than any college prospect has ever had. Imagine Lonzo or Fultz playing with guys like that. Guys who know basically how to play the game of basketball.

[76ciology]

Hard to judge but I'm now higher than Doncic than before.

One big difference is Doncic plays with good teammates and system. While Fult has always playes with trash teammates and trash system. Who's quicked between the two BTW? Seems like they have same speed but Fultz is more athletic. I want to say Fultz is more skilled but I find him a bit too right dominant.

Reminds me of how Celts would view Cavs Kyrie to Celts Kyrie. Where Cavs Kyrie has non superstar potential but Celts Kyrie will magically be a Superstar with B-stevens system. A bit of truth and a bit more of bias

[Ericb5]

Hard to judge but I'm now higher than Doncic than before.

One big difference is Doncic plays with good teammates and system. While Fult has always playes with trash teammates and trash system. Who's quicked between the two BTW? Seems like they have same speed but Fultz is more athletic. I want to say Fultz is more skilled but I find him a bit too right dominant.

Reminds me of how Celts would view Cavs Kyrie to Celts Kyrie. Where Cavs Kyrie has non superstar potential but Celts Kyrie will magically be a Superstar with B-stevens system. A bit of truth and a bit more of bias

On the skill set of the top prospects next year, Doncic is the one that jumps out at me in terms of being useful on the Sixers.

For similar reasons to why Fultz fits so well, Doncic would fit so well. They are similar types of players, and Simmons would allow us to play them both together.

As to who is the better prospect between Fultz and Doncic, I don't know.


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[Negrodamus]

Just a note, but Louisville is about to get dominated:

Read on Twitter

[Sixersftw]

Damn, they're about to catch the death penalty.

[Negrodamus]

Damn, they're about to catch the death penalty.

A long time coming, if you ask me.

[smittybanton]

Remove the "price ceiling". Should be illegal under Sherman AntiTrust Act. Pay the Players.

[Negrodamus]

Remove the "price ceiling". Should be illegal under Sherman AntiTrust Act. Pay the Players.

As a Kentucky fan, I'm fine with that.

If I were a Butler (or any smaller school) fan, I'd be furious with that outcome.

[smittybanton]

Remove the "price ceiling". Should be illegal under Sherman AntiTrust Act. Pay the Players.

As a Kentucky fan, I'm fine with that.

If I were a Butler (or any smaller school) fan, I'd be furious with that outcome.

I don't care about Butler or any smaller school or any big school or the NCAA, period. They don't have to play basketball if they don't want to. It's a university. Teach, instead. If you're going to have a commercial program, follow the rules of a capitalist supposedly free market society. Or dont.

[Negrodamus]

Remove the "price ceiling". Should be illegal under Sherman AntiTrust Act. Pay the Players.

As a Kentucky fan, I'm fine with that.

If I were a Butler (or any smaller school) fan, I'd be furious with that outcome.

I don't care about Butler or any smaller school or any big school or the NCAA, period. They don't have to play basketball if they don't want to. It's a university. Teach, instead. If you're going to have a commercial program, follow the rules of a capitalist supposedly free market society. Or dont.

Right, but the NCAA is the governing body of college basketball. If you don't like the way the rules are in place, then don't play college basketball.

I can understand the gripes that college football players have, but I don't have any real sympathy for college basketball players. There are alternative options (overseas, NBDL)

[Sixerscan]

As a Kentucky fan, I'm fine with that.

If I were a Butler (or any smaller school) fan, I'd be furious with that outcome.

I don't care about Butler or any smaller school or any big school or the NCAA, period. They don't have to play basketball if they don't want to. It's a university. Teach, instead. If you're going to have a commercial program, follow the rules of a capitalist supposedly free market society. Or dont.

Right, but the NCAA is the governing body of college basketball. If you don't like the way the rules are in place, then don't play college basketball.

I can understand the gripes that college football players have, but I don't have any real sympathy for college basketball players. There are alternative options (overseas, NBDL)

It's the governing body for now. If the Feds are serious about investigating this sort of stuff you could see a complete upheaval of the system.

Not to mention if someone finally gets a court to admit these guys are employees...

[Negrodamus]

I don't care about Butler or any smaller school or any big school or the NCAA, period. They don't have to play basketball if they don't want to. It's a university. Teach, instead. If you're going to have a commercial program, follow the rules of a capitalist supposedly free market society. Or dont.

Right, but the NCAA is the governing body of college basketball. If you don't like the way the rules are in place, then don't play college basketball.

I can understand the gripes that college football players have, but I don't have any real sympathy for college basketball players. There are alternative options (overseas, NBDL)

It's the governing body for now. If the Feds are serious about investigating this sort of stuff you could see a complete upheaval of the system.

Not to mention if someone finally gets a court to admit these guys are employees...

Are you saying that the NCAA is complicit with these shoe companies illegal dealings with HS athletes?

[Sixerscan]

Right, but the NCAA is the governing body of college basketball. If you don't like the way the rules are in place, then don't play college basketball.

I can understand the gripes that college football players have, but I don't have any real sympathy for college basketball players. There are alternative options (overseas, NBDL)

It's the governing body for now. If the Feds are serious about investigating this sort of stuff you could see a complete upheaval of the system.

Not to mention if someone finally gets a court to admit these guys are employees...

Are you saying that the NCAA is complicit with these shoe companies illegal dealings with HS athletes?

No im saying they have proven to be bad at regulating these top tier programs that have so much money swimming around them. And it might make sense to have a different system governing Louisville basketball than the Drexel field hockey team.

They are complicit in the sense that they perpetuate the status quo that basically begs for stuff like this to happen.

[Negrodamus]

It's the governing body for now. If the Feds are serious about investigating this sort of stuff you could see a complete upheaval of the system.

Not to mention if someone finally gets a court to admit these guys are employees...

Are you saying that the NCAA is complicit with these shoe companies illegal dealings with HS athletes?

No im saying they have proven to be bad at regulating these top tier programs that have so much money swimming around them. And it might make sense to have a different system governing Louisville basketball than the Drexel field hockey team.

But I don't think it's the NCAA's place to do that.

I think the real reason this is so focused on basketball is two reasons, the AAU's corrupt system and the NBA having more recognizable talents so shoe companies prey on them. I think it's less an NCAA issue than a lack of control over everything prior to entering collegiate sports.

The reason the FBI was able to bring this to light was a three year sting operation. I don't think it's realistic to expect the NCAA to match that type of investigation.

I think the main system upheaval will be the AAU.

[Sixerscan]

Are you saying that the NCAA is complicit with these shoe companies illegal dealings with HS athletes?

No im saying they have proven to be bad at regulating these top tier programs that have so much money swimming around them. And it might make sense to have a different system governing Louisville basketball than the Drexel field hockey team.

But I don't think it's the NCAA's place to do that.

I think the real reason this is so focused on basketball is two reasons, the AAU's corrupt system and the NBA having more recognizable talents so shoe companies prey on them. I think it's less an NCAA issue than a lack of control over everything prior to entering collegiate sports.

The reason the FBI was able to bring this to light was a three year sting operation. I don't think it's realistic to expect the NCAA to match that type of investigation.

I think the main system upheaval will be the AAU.

There wouldn't need to be any sort of investigation if the NCAA allowed the sneaker companies to directly pay the players. Because it would be legal and they wouldn't have to go through all these shady back channels.

[Negrodamus]

No im saying they have proven to be bad at regulating these top tier programs that have so much money swimming around them. And it might make sense to have a different system governing Louisville basketball than the Drexel field hockey team.

But I don't think it's the NCAA's place to do that.

I think the real reason this is so focused on basketball is two reasons, the AAU's corrupt system and the NBA having more recognizable talents so shoe companies prey on them. I think it's less an NCAA issue than a lack of control over everything prior to entering collegiate sports.

The reason the FBI was able to bring this to light was a three year sting operation. I don't think it's realistic to expect the NCAA to match that type of investigation.

I think the main system upheaval will be the AAU.

There wouldn't need to be any sort of investigation if the NCAA allowed the sneaker companies to directly pay the players. Because it would be legal and they wouldn't have to go through all these shady back channels.

Right, but that's not in the best interest of the NCAA, especially in basketball. It turns into FIFA and Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Arizona, UCLA, etc (the flagship programs for shoe companies) assemble all star teams while the traditional "Cinderella" teams struggle to compete. If anything, they should allow the players to go directly to the league.

[Sixerscan]

But I don't think it's the NCAA's place to do that.

I think the real reason this is so focused on basketball is two reasons, the AAU's corrupt system and the NBA having more recognizable talents so shoe companies prey on them. I think it's less an NCAA issue than a lack of control over everything prior to entering collegiate sports.

The reason the FBI was able to bring this to light was a three year sting operation. I don't think it's realistic to expect the NCAA to match that type of investigation.

I think the main system upheaval will be the AAU.

There wouldn't need to be any sort of investigation if the NCAA allowed the sneaker companies to directly pay the players. Because it would be legal and they wouldn't have to go through all these shady back channels.

Right, but that's not in the best interest of the NCAA, especially in basketball. It turns into FIFA and Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Arizona, UCLA, etc (the flagship programs for shoe companies) assemble all star teams while the traditional "Cinderella" teams struggle to compete. If anything, they should allow the players to go directly to the league.

I get why the NCAA does what it does. I'm saying this scandal is the latest example of how the NCAA and rules pertaining to amateurism are becoming more and more obsolete as it pertains to these money making programs. Its an outdated system holding on for dear life.

[smittybanton]

As a Kentucky fan, I'm fine with that.

If I were a Butler (or any smaller school) fan, I'd be furious with that outcome.

I don't care about Butler or any smaller school or any big school or the NCAA, period. They don't have to play basketball if they don't want to. It's a university. Teach, instead. If you're going to have a commercial program, follow the rules of a capitalist supposedly free market society. Or dont.

Right, but the NCAA is the governing body of college basketball. If you don't like the way the rules are in place, then don't play college basketball.

I can understand the gripes that college football players have, but I don't have any real sympathy for college basketball players. There are alternative options (overseas, NBDL)[/quote

I support them circumventing the rules. You dont have to. I do.

[Ericb5]

I would pay athletes an hourly wage similar to what they would make with a good part time job, and would do it across the board for all division 1 athletes.

Outside of that though, I wouldn’t change anything about the rules. Just make sure that you string up offenders.

If a coach is caught with his hand in the cookie jar you need to punish him AND the school. No more coaches leaving a pile of crap and then just going to another school.

Make it a 3 strikes and your out rule too. You get caught for a third time and it is a lifetime ban.


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[Kobblehead]

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