Tobias Harris Trade Thread

thenbaman · Post #141 » by **thenbaman** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:58 pm

Please stop the kemba talk,he's washed up.

Dnt hate · Post #142 » by **Dnt hate** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:14 pm

Arsenal wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Bagley or Barnes and Heild for Tobias.

Barnes and Hield for Tobias would be fantastic for us. Resign Green and we have...

PG Hield | Maxey
SG Green | Milton
SF Simmons | Thybulle
PF Barnes
CE Embiid

This, and I'll agree to hold on to Simmons for 1 more year maximum, his stock will rise with this roster and another regular season

Dnt hate · Post #143 » by **Dnt hate** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:19 pm

Dnt hate wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Bagley or Barnes and Heild for Tobias.

Barnes and Hield for Tobias would be fantastic for us. Resign Green and we have...

PG Hield | Maxey
SG Green | Milton
SF Simmons | Thybulle
PF Barnes
CE Embiid

This, and I'll agree to hold on to Simmons for 1 more year maximum, his stock will rise with this roster and another regular season

PG Hield / Maxey, Simmons
SG Green /Curry, Thybulle
SF Barnes / Thybulle
PF Simmons / Barnes, Thybulle, Reed
C Embiid / Reed, Simmons

Simmons shows the league some good stats and highlights and then we trade him

SparksFly87 · Post #144 » by **SparksFly87** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:39 pm

Tobias for Lowry sign and trade 3 years 30 mil.

Philly gets a point guard creator native Philadelphian.

Checks all the boxes a leader , winner and guard we need. Old but we need experience winners.

Joel/ Vet min
Simmons/ Draft Trey Murphy 3 and D combo/ Reed
Green or Otto Porter for 12 to 15 per year / Thybulle
Curry / Shake / Joe
Lowry/ Maxey

Toronto loads up small ball ammunition moving Siakam to C. Tobias PF.. anonby 3.. draft pick PG top 4 and van fleet and trent core.

FlyingArrow · Post #145 » by **FlyingArrow** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:00 pm

How do we sign Otto Porter for 12 to 15 per year?

SparksFly87 · Post #146 » by **SparksFly87** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:06 pm

Do the math. If you can't just resign Green . I mean Scott , green and Korkmaz off the books as free agents.

FlyingArrow · Post #147 » by **FlyingArrow** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:08 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Tobias for Lowry sign and trade 3 years 30 mil.

Philly gets a point guard creator native Philadelphian.

Checks all the boxes a leader , winner and guard we need. Old but we need experience winners.

Joel/ Vet min
Simmons/ Draft Trey Murphy 3 and D combo/ Reed
Green or Otto Porter for 12 to 15 per year / Thybulle
Curry / Shake / Joe
Lowry/ Maxey

Toronto loads up small ball ammunition moving Siakam to C. Tobias PF.. anonby 3.. draft pick PG top 4 and van fleet and trent core.

Interesting proposal. It really depends on how you see Tobias both as a player and as a roster asset/liability. As a player, he's slightly-below all-star level. But his contract is too big. Big enough contract that as a roster asset he's negative value for some teams. For us, it's a huge contract but we aren't going to be going under the salary cap anyway so it doesn't really hurt us all that much. (Just hurts the owner's pocketbook.) I'd say for us his value as a player and his contract cancel out to make him a neutral value. Maybe slightly negative if you think he's a bad fit with Embiid (as more than one person has said). So it really depends on how Toronto sees him with that contract. If he's positive value for them, that's better than letting Lowry walk for nothing. And even if he's positive value to us, we can't get Lowry without a sign-and-trade. So as long as we value Lowry more it's worth doing.

I'm not sold on Lowry being worth anywhere near 3/$30. With Lowry's age and Maxey's recent strides, I'd put it at 50/50 that Maxey is better than Lowry sometime this season. I'd fully expect Maxey to be the better player in 2022-23 (even if Lowry might still start due to contract/experience/name recognition). And then we'd still have a 3rd year of Lowry's contract a year beyond that.

SixersSince82 · Post #148 » by **SixersSince82** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:14 am

youngcrev wrote:Tobias is a pretty bad go-to-guy as go-to-guys come, but he's at least a better option than Hield or Barnes. I don't see how those guys help us more. The starters have been elite in terms of net rating. I don't think either of those guys help with the areas where the team falls apart late in games. They need to get a better playmaker, not worse ones.

Hopefully thats Maxey (granted he'd only be a second year player). Meanwhile, instead of getting less scoring from Tobias, as Maxey takes on more of that role, you get more defensive versatility from Barnes and an actual legit floor spacer from Hield (Tobias just flat out refuses to shoot enough 3s for some unknown reason, to be a legit floor spacer)

I don't think it's enough to win a title but I think its a step in the right direction compared to running it back with Tobias.

youngcrev · Post #149 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:27 am

SixersSince82 wrote:
youngcrev wrote:Tobias is a pretty bad go-to-guy as go-to-guys come, but he's at least a better option than Hield or Barnes. I don't see how those guys help us more. The starters have been elite in terms of net rating. I don't think either of those guys help with the areas where the team falls apart late in games. They need to get a better playmaker, not worse ones.

Hopefully thats Maxey (granted he'd only be a second year player). Meanwhile, instead of getting less scoring from Tobias, as Maxey takes on more of that role, you get more defensive versatility from Barnes and an actual legit floor spacer from Hield (Tobias just flat out refuses to shoot enough 3s for some unknown reason, to be a legit floor spacer)

I don't think it's enough to win a title but I think its a step in the right direction compared to running it back with Tobias.

I don't think Barnes gives you much more than Tobias defensively, honestly. Tobias gained a ton of ground on him on that end this past year. And Buddy would be taking Curry's spot in the lineup, so you aren't gaining a ton of spacing, though you'd get more volume from 3. And really, if you're counting on Maxey as the answer, you're losing out on spacing going from Curry/Green/Harris to Maxey/Hield/Barnes.

SixersSince82 · Post #150 » by **SixersSince82** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:39 am

youngcrev wrote: I don't think Barnes gives you much more than Tobias defensively, honestly. Tobias gained a ton of ground on him on that end this past year. And Buddy would be taking Curry's spot in the lineup, so you aren't gaining a ton of spacing, though you'd get more volume from 3. And really, if you're counting on Maxey as the answer, you're losing out on spacing going from Curry/Green/Harris to Maxey/Hield/Barnes.

I totally hear where you're coming from but I dont think its as pronounced as you do. Definitely feel free to double check my numbers but this is what I get using their per 36 Stats. Using per 36 to extrapolate Maxey as a starter.

3 man unit Combined 3% 3 attempts Per 36 Points scored from 3s
Maxey, Buddy, Barnes = 36% 19 6.84 makes x 3 = 20.52 points
Seth, Green, Tobias = 41 % 18 7.38 makes x 3 = 22.14

So similar attempts... but sure, better % with the current group. But not much net scoring effect.

Plus its reasonable to expect improvement from Maxey simply because he’s so young and possibly
from both Barnes and Hield because Joel commands so much more attention than the guys on Sacramento.

And, you improve your bench with veterans like Seth and Danny off the bench, instead of unproven guys like Shake.

Re: Harris/Barnes Defensively... I agree with what someone else said, while the metrics suggest Tobias is better than Barnes, I think that's mostly do to 2 factors. A) Tobias getting to play with Joel. And B) Barnes on a mediocre team without much reason to play locked in and focused.

SparksFly87 · Post #151 » by **SparksFly87** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:14 am

Lowry resigning worth allegedly 2 years 50 mil.
I would include Tobias in a millisecond. Our team is instantly better.

youngcrev · Post #152 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:07 am

SixersSince82 wrote:
Re: Harris/Barnes Defensively... I agree with what someone else said, while the metrics suggest Tobias is better than Barnes, I think that's mostly do to 2 factors. A) Tobias getting to play with Joel. And B) Barnes on a mediocre team without much reason to play locked in and focused.

Locked in or not, I don't think Barnes has ever been that great of a defender. He's got the size and athleticism that you can feel comfortable having him defend most forwards, but he's not exactly a stopper or defensive playmaker. He's above average on that end, with bonus points for being somewhat switchable. As for Tobias, not even going off defensive metrics, I think he visibly played far better defense than he ever has in his career this year, and gives you similar advantages on that end of being able to guard a few different positions and handle switches reasonably well.

Arsenal · Post #153 » by **Arsenal** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:39 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Lowry resigning worth allegedly 2 years 50 mil.
I would include Tobias in a millisecond. Our team is instantly better.

Is this actual news or did you just make this up? Lowry agreed to 2 yrs / $50M?

Hal_Greer · Post #154 » by **Hal_Greer** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:20 am

I heard rumors at the last trade deadline he would want $30 million/yr to resign with whomever traded for him. It sounded ridiculous.

Sportfan73 · Post #155 » by **Sportfan73** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:12 am

Gimme a 3 team deal where we go

Tobias and a first to Portland

Shake, hill, and a first to Cleveland

CJ and nance to Philly

If Cleveland needs more we can throw a couple seconds.

Then resign Danny

Having a core of
Maxey
Cj
Curry
Green
Thybulle
Simmons
Nance
Embiid

Plus joe and Reed would be more than satisfactory for me. Sign a few vet min guys to fill the roster and let’s go. Talk about maximizing everyone we have

Sportfan73 · Post #156 » by **Sportfan73** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:13 am

I think the rumors about morey loving nance last deadline were very legit

Sportfan73 · Post #157 » by **Sportfan73** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:15 am

I have officially entered the would overpay for tobi/Cj swap club

ankle420breaker · Post #158 » by **ankle420breaker** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:16 pm

Tobias, Thybulle, future 1st for CJ and Collins.

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Mik317 · Post #159 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:28 pm

yall gonna make me hate CJ like yall made me hate Dlo.

yuuby · Post #160 » by **yuuby** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:29 pm

If you are paying Tobias Harris 30% of the cap you will never be a contender.

The fact that Brand and company traded 2 firsts and Shamet for a 3 month rental for the privlidge to then pay him the 5 year near max is unconcious. They should have been all fired for that trade.

When Harris refused the 4 year 88 million extension the Clippers offered him at the start of that season I thought he was crazy. Somehow he found a team dumb enough to give him 5 years 180 million.