Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Mik317]

This is fanbase that loved Allen Iverson.

Beasley's run in with the law is not a problem unless he sucks and /or continues to **** up.

[Skates]

This is fanbase that loved Allen Iverson.

Beasley's run in with the law is not a problem unless he sucks and /or continues to **** up.

I'm fine with second chances, and AI came to mind immediately, but the question is with that recent and serious of an event is his value, that has taken a significant hit, hence in a trade I am not giving much credit for him. Could he be a part of the trade if the team does its background work and feels comfortable? Sure, but it is a PR issue along with the recidivism risk and he doesn't play defense. He can be a piece of a trade, but not a major one, especially since he poses a risk and is not on his rookie deal or something, so he is potentially a new negative at his salary now given the circumstances.

[DCasey91]

has anyone asked colin jost what he thinks

Carrot Top has been awfully quiet on the matter as well.

“Can somebody please find Ja Rule!!! Get hold of this motherf**ker so I can make sense of all this. WHERE IS JA!?? Help me Ja Rule...”

[DCasey91]

If we do get Levert and Brogdon, I would be interested in Cam Reddish next.

Green might be cooked and Thybulle is yeah no.

Reddish has a 2 cent head but he is very very talented.

Then try and move Harris next off season.

Brogdon
Levert
Hart?
Reddish
Embiid

Then get a 3&D wing and it looks pretty good.
Powerforwardless setup for Embiid. Ballhandlers + Wings

[Sportfan73]

If we do get Levert and Brogdon, I would be interested in Cam Reddish next.

Green might be cooked and Thybulle is yeah no.

Reddish has a 2 cent head but he is very very talented.

Then try and move Harris next off season.

Brogdon
Levert
Hart?
Reddish
Embiid

Then get a 3&D wing and it looks pretty good.
Powerforwardless setup for Embiid. Ballhandlers + Wings

Brogdon+ Levert is a perfect gateway to moving Harris next year I have been thinking this. If we could move him for expirings that lined up with levert and Brogdons expirings we could have max space plus retain one or both of the two if they prove healthy or great fits

[DCasey91]

If we do get Levert and Brogdon, I would be interested in Cam Reddish next.

Green might be cooked and Thybulle is yeah no.

Reddish has a 2 cent head but he is very very talented.

Then try and move Harris next off season.

Brogdon
Levert
Hart?
Reddish
Embiid

Then get a 3&D wing and it looks pretty good.
Powerforwardless setup for Embiid. Ballhandlers + Wings

Brogdon+ Levert is a perfect gateway to moving Harris next year I have been thinking this. If we could move him for expirings that lined up with levert and Brogdons expirings we could have max space plus retain one or both of the two if they prove healthy or great fits

That’s my best guess it might be Brogdon. As we aren’t a great FA destination I’m looking for a younger player to max or trade for one that already has a max contract (Ingram it’s a pipe dream though).

I didn’t like the Beal deal scenario because his contract isn’t long and would leave and Ben for CJ is sideways sort of stuff.

Who knows

Would be funny asf if Ben ended up playing again for us at the start of the year.... huge leveraged investments has a funny way of biting you in the bum.

[Skates]

Brogdon and LeVert plus two FRP's is a decent price for me. If they want someone else like Shake for Duarte that would be reasonable. Duarte is a prospect I have little knowledge of other than being a bit older than most and a shooter with significant range. Any opinions on him and his value if included (i.e. is he worth a FRP grade) in the trade in some way? Their other rookie doesn't appeal much.

[DCasey91]

Brogdon and LeVert plus two FRP's is a decent price for me. If they want someone else like Shake for Duarte that would be reasonable. Duarte is a prospect I have little knowledge of other than being a bit older than most and a shooter with significant range. Any opinions on him and his value if included (i.e. is he worth a FRP grade) in the trade in some way? Their other rookie doesn't appeal much.

Duarte is Brogdon more or less so they’ll be overlap.

But Brogdon, Levert and two 1sts is a fair deal and the best we’ve gotten so far. Those two 1sts might be a lot better than expected.

If you can’t get a Star and Morey doesn’t like picks alone and that’s it (which I fully agree with). Then splitting it up with two decent players and picks gives us really good flexibility in the future.

[spikeslovechild]

Brogdon and LeVert plus two FRP's is a decent price for me. If they want someone else like Shake for Duarte that would be reasonable. Duarte is a prospect I have little knowledge of other than being a bit older than most and a shooter with significant range. Any opinions on him and his value if included (i.e. is he worth a FRP grade) in the trade in some way? Their other rookie doesn't appeal much.

I'd take that deal there is a decent chance we win the trade if Levert comes back healthy. I'd also love to see Mr "LA" Simmons play in Indiana for 4 years.

[stormi]

If we do get Levert and Brogdon, I would be interested in Cam Reddish next.

Green might be cooked and Thybulle is yeah no.

Reddish has a 2 cent head but he is very very talented.

Then try and move Harris next off season.

Brogdon
Levert
Hart?
Reddish
Embiid

Then get a 3&D wing and it looks pretty good.
Powerforwardless setup for Embiid. Ballhandlers + Wings

How did we acquire Cam? He's valued extremely high by Atlanta btw. Schlenk declined pick 7 for him on draft night and was offered to Philadelphia with Gallo for Ben.

He's so cold though.

[stormi]

Brogdon and LeVert plus two FRP's is a decent price for me. If they want someone else like Shake for Duarte that would be reasonable. Duarte is a prospect I have little knowledge of other than being a bit older than most and a shooter with significant range. Any opinions on him and his value if included (i.e. is he worth a FRP grade) in the trade in some way? Their other rookie doesn't appeal much.

Duarte is like a 25 year old Danny Green. Excellent shooter and guard defender. Underrated athleticism and his on ball scoring potential is underrated. He can dribble.

Not the highest upside, but he's a sure bet to be a solid playoff contributor on a winning roster.

[DCasey91]

If we do get Levert and Brogdon, I would be interested in Cam Reddish next.

Green might be cooked and Thybulle is yeah no.

Reddish has a 2 cent head but he is very very talented.

Then try and move Harris next off season.

Brogdon
Levert
Hart?
Reddish
Embiid

Then get a 3&D wing and it looks pretty good.
Powerforwardless setup for Embiid. Ballhandlers + Wings

How did we acquire Cam? He's valued extremely high by Atlanta btw. Schlenk declined pick 7 for him on draft night and was offered to Philadelphia with Gallo for Ben.

He's so cold though.

I don’t know actually lol. But his trade value should be lower than what it was on draft night (wants to get paid so he has to perform). He’s been bad on the whole but shown flashes so far but the talent is there.

[Tomjas]

That's was my point: the idea of CJ being a plus asset is a little overrated more than the idea that Simmons is a minus asset.

If I'm Morey I wait for a chance for Dame: Simmons is under control for 4 years and he cannot pull a AD.
On the other side if I'm Dame, I prefer to play with Joel than with Ben.

So either the Blazers trade for Joel (LOL) or we trade for Dame.
If Dame prefers playing for another team....well there will be other trades to be done down the line.

No need to rush for DAR or Brogdon or Hield or Lavert

Oh dear , some of you guy's haven't figured it out yet have you.
Dame and probably most other Alpha no1 options have no intention at all of pairing with the "I'm going to Dominate" 40% usage Center here in Philly - however teaming with an Ultra Defensive and Pass 1st Low usage Playmaker is a lot more appealing.
Remember Dame Liked the photoshop of Ben in a Blazers uniform.

Low usage Playmaker? Are we talking about the same Ben Simmons?

If Ben doesn't have the ball in his hand , is he useful for what?
Masonry?

Do some research

The Sixers have one massively ball dominant player and it isn’t Ben

[spikeslovechild]

This is fanbase that loved Allen Iverson.

Beasley's run in with the law is not a problem unless he sucks and /or continues to **** up.

Well there are a couple of issue with what your are saying so I'll just quickfire through them.

1. Different time and era (no social media)
2. AI is a different class of player
3. AI was already on the roster (we weren't targeting him in a trade)
4. Simmons is too significant of an asset to be giving for a player which such glaring character flaws who is not a superstar. If it was a late first round pic then that is a different discussion

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Wolves would want to include him in any Simmons trade just as part of changing the culture there.

[Tomjas]

Pass. I rather have Brogdon or CJ.

Murray is not the type of PG that Morey, Doc or Embiid would want.

Why is that, if you don't mind me asking?

The way I see it... Brogdon and Levert have missed a lot of games through injury... while CJ is 30 going on 31, and not very good on defense so can't really be used with Curry or Maxey. So I would've thought Philly would be way more keen on Dejounte (defensive, young) and Beasley (3PT shooting, young) who are good healthy players and closer in age to Embiid... because of the fit with the rest of your roster. Plus you get 2x unprotected Minny FRPs.

Dejounte has little value to our team.

You can max Dejounte’s value with a bad defensive squad with a team full of scorers, which is the opposite of our team. We are a very good defensive team even with one of the worst defensive player in the league in Seth Curry while we are thirsty for scoring.

Then those Minny FRPs dont have much value than Pacers FRPs. Ben, Towns, DLo and Edwards is going to be a very good team.

I appreciate your effort. But think it through, because everyone of us here do. Its hard to sell an idea when you have like 500 pages of Ben trade discussions going on for months already.

We are a good defensive team WITH Ben

Look at our players

Joel is elite defensively when he tries

Thybulle is elite when beside Ben but a bench player anyway

Danny has been good but is old

Everyone else ranges from average to awful

There’s only one direction our defence is heading without Ben

[UnFadeable21]

According to Keith Pompey, this deal “should be enough” for Philadelphia:

Philadelphia 76ers receive: Caris LeVert, Malcolm Brogdon, 1st Round pick

Indiana Pacers receive: Ben Simmons

[the_process]

According to Keith Pompey, this deal “should be enough” for Philadelphia:

Philadelphia 76ers receive: Caris LeVert, Malcolm Brogdon, 1st Round pick

Indiana Pacers receive: Ben Simmons

Reason #1,342,772 why Keith has no ****** clue about anything.

[the_process]

According to Stein; the Sixers asked for Portland's entire draft future with CJ, have no interest in Kyrie, and are also out on anything the Pacers have to offer. He also wrote the Sixers are still targeting a star such as Damian Lillard.

Morey is crazy.

[UnFadeable21]

According to Keith Pompey, this deal “should be enough” for Philadelphia:

Philadelphia 76ers receive: Caris LeVert, Malcolm Brogdon, 1st Round pick

Indiana Pacers receive: Ben Simmons

Reason #1,342,772 why Keith has no ****** clue about anything.

I would offer Ben, Maxey and a first for Dame. If Portland says no then I would take that Pacers deal.

[spikeslovechild]

According to Keith Pompey, this deal “should be enough” for Philadelphia:

Philadelphia 76ers receive: Caris LeVert, Malcolm Brogdon, 1st Round pick

Indiana Pacers receive: Ben Simmons

It's not far off if we aren't getting a superstar.

It's really on Morey to judge the market. Nothing in the NBA really makes sense anymore. You look at Levert who was a key piece in the Harden trade and he we all agree he is nowhere enough to get Simmons. I do think if he is healthy he is someone you could package with picks to bring an allstar (not a superstar) if the fit isn't there so the upside is there to win the trade.

I also value Indiana picks over both the Wolves and blazers.