Joel Embiid -- The Process is now Live

cksdayoff · Post #1401 » by **cksdayoff** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:59 pm

We shouldn't dream about a top 4 pick. Not healthy

bedjawII · Post #1402 » by **bedjawII** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:47 pm

HankTheTank wrote:Not keeping Noel as Embiid insurance for at least another year was asinine, not to mention the lousy return

Thinking Noel is insurance for Embiid is asinine.

AI_Efficiency · Post #1403 » by **AI_Efficiency** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:26 pm

Brauer wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I'm a little confused why this is such an issue now. This will not be okay in the coming years, but this year it's completely fine with me. No Simmons this year? Screw it, hold Embiid out too.

I agree completely. However, we are afraid that this is a sign of things to come in the future given his history. If they are just being overly cautious and would rather solve an issue early on that's fine. But it might indicate a career plagued with injuries.

Agree with this. The real concern here isn't that they are being overly cautious, it's that despite not playing back to backs and playing on a minutes restriction, Embiid still managed to injure himself to the point where there is still knee swelling a month after the injury. It's probably fair now to have some doubts as to whether Embiid can make it through an entire season healthy.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1404 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:32 pm

In defense of Embiid, this isn't like his other injuries which were stress fractures. His leg buckled. Anyone would've been hurt if that happened. Also this is a meniscus/bruise, the other injuries were bone fractures. To me his knee is less of an "injury prone" injury than the other ones he's had.

Cheatergriffin · Post #1405 » by **Cheatergriffin** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:33 pm

If embiid cant stay healthy, might wanna hope that LA pick goes unprotected and we draft ayton. :-|

Post #1406 » by **kingofthecourt67** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:01 pm

This is a mess. I maintain still that people need to be fired for that Houston game. And by people I mean all the doctors and Bryan Colangelo. What a freaking joke.

agiaco · Post #1407 » by **agiaco** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:14 pm

Brauer wrote:
agiaco wrote:I'm convinced he can play but he's shut down for the year, which is fine at this point. Especially now that we have a new, exciting player in Justin Anderson.

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I agree. They probably will do some surgery in order to prevent it to getting worse in the future or something like that. After all, since Simmons can't play then what is the point anyway of having him risk making it worse? Not like we can really make the playoffs. Shame though, I loved watching Embiid improve. He was getting his explosiveness back too. I'm afraid that progress might be reverted.

In an ideal world, we shut down both Embiid and Simmons for the season. Dario Saric and Okafor continue to improve. We tank, get the first overall pick and draft Fultz, trade down with Lakers pick for Malik Monk. Embiid comes back all awesome and dandy, Simmons comes with a good jumpshot. We get the 6th seed or something.

Fultz/Monk/TJ
Monk/Covington
Covington/Simmons/
Simmons/Saric
Embiid/Okafor

That's my dream Haul from the 2017 raft too. Man, that team looks amazing on paper. I'd still throw Holmes and Stauskas in there for now, but which free agents would work out for us? The FA class isn't that special outside of Lowry and a few others. And if we landed a player like Fultz it would be counterproductive to get Lowry. I really think Monk is the best fit for this team as it stands.

HankTheTank · Post #1408 » by **HankTheTank** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:08 am

bedjawII wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:Not keeping Noel as Embiid insurance for at least another year was asinine, not to mention the lousy return

Thinking Noel is insurance for Embiid is asinine.

Wouldn't be nice to have Noel for the 20ish games Embiid won't play next year? Wouldn't be nice to trade him when he's not an impending RFA and has value?

kriss73 · Post #1409 » by **kriss73** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:23 am

Did they say anything about Embiid's last MRI yesterday?

Ericb5 · Post #1410 » by **Ericb5** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:55 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:In defense of Embiid, this isn't like his other injuries which were stress fractures. His leg buckled. Anyone would've been hurt if that happened. Also this is a meniscus/bruise, the other injuries were bone fractures. To me his knee is less of an "injury prone" injury than the other ones he's had.

Stress fractures are the scary injuries. Bone bruises are just annoying. They are like groin injuries that can linger if it properly rehabbed.

As long as Embiid's stress fractures don't return, he will be fine.

Talk of trading him is blasphemous. He is the best Sixers player to come along in decades.

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Unbreakable99 · Post #1411 » by **Unbreakable99** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:39 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:In defense of Embiid, this isn't like his other injuries which were stress fractures. His leg buckled. Anyone would've been hurt if that happened. Also this is a meniscus/bruise, the other injuries were bone fractures. To me his knee is less of an "injury prone" injury than the other ones he's had.

Stress fractures are the scary injuries. Bone bruises are just annoying. They are like groin injuries that can linger if it properly rehabbed.

As long as Embiid's stress fractures don't return, he will be fine.

Talk of trading him is blasphemous. He is the best Sixers player to come along in decades.

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Agreed. We live and die with Embiid. People are freaking out because of the news yesterday. People need to calm down. I do admit he can't keep getting knicked up like this and he needs to be in the court. If he can't play at least 70 games every year that's a problem but this latest setback isn't the one that should get people up in arms.

steveb21 · Post #1412 » by **steveb21** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:26 pm

Any doctors or medical types out there? I'm wondering if swelling is common with a meniscus tear? My worry is that there's something more going on with that knee.

76thBearCub · Post #1413 » by **76thBearCub** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:38 pm

steveb21 wrote:Any doctors or medical types out there? I'm wondering if swelling is common with a meniscus tear? My worry is that there's something more going on with that knee.

I'm neither but I did tear my meniscus last year and had to get it drained twice to reduce the swelling.

___Rand___ · Post #1414 » by **___Rand___** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:45 pm

BarkleyFan wrote:If you want to win championships, this is the price you pay.

2) Try to build up Okafors trade value.

Why are Philly fans trying to trade Okafor? from what I can see he's the only reliable big of the four you had the last 5-10 years. Embiid is promising but he can't seem to play half a season in three years? Realistically that's how he's going to be IMO. Noel was in and out of rehab? Championships are built by guys who PLAY. Not guys in street clothes cheering. They are called "Fans".

Unbreakable99 · Post #1415 » by **Unbreakable99** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:09 pm

___Rand___ wrote:
BarkleyFan wrote:If you want to win championships, this is the price you pay.

2) Try to build up Okafors trade value.

Why are Philly fans trying to trade Okafor? from what I can see he's the only reliable big of the four you had the last 5-10 years. Embiid is promising but he can't seem to play half a season in three years? Realistically that's how he's going to be IMO. Noel was in and out of rehab? Championships are built by guys who PLAY. Not guys in street clothes cheering. They are called "Fans".

R.I.P to the replies to your post about Okafor.

Negrodamus · Post #1416 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:35 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
___Rand___ wrote:
BarkleyFan wrote:If you want to win championships, this is the price you pay.

2) Try to build up Okafors trade value.

Why are Philly fans trying to trade Okafor? from what I can see he's the only reliable big of the four you had the last 5-10 years. Embiid is promising but he can't seem to play half a season in three years? Realistically that's how he's going to be IMO. Noel was in and out of rehab? Championships are built by guys who PLAY. Not guys in street clothes cheering. They are called "Fans".

R.I.P to the replies to your post about Okafor.

"From what I can see" = watches highlights.

Brauer · Post #1417 » by **Brauer** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:50 pm

Doctor says these injuries are not long term concerns. We shouldn't freak out. It's all part of the long term plan baby we are getting Fultz and Monk, Bagley in 2019 baby

___Rand___ · Post #1418 » by **___Rand___** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:52 pm

Negrodamus wrote:"From what I can see" = watches highlights.

Not even that. Who's been on the floor the last 3 years? Physically able?

I'm a fan man. I think Sixers' ceiling is way higher than many teams in the east including Raptors. I hope Embiid can stay on the floor an entire season. While past is not always an indicator of the future, he has been in street clothes most of the past 3! That's the definition of a FAN not a PLAYER! I hope Anderson becomes half of what he could be, add a nice piece or two from this draft and who knows what the future holds. East is still an easy place to get into playoff position. Looks like you have a decent coach. Overhaul the training staff. Get BC to raid Phoenix's training group. As long as BC gets his rush elsewhere and not from trades! I tell you, BC loves dealing. And you'll cry about it. Just be prepared for it. lol.

PennSports · Post #1419 » by **PennSports** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:05 pm

So many people are living in lala land with these tanking theories. Embiid is totally fine! He hasnt played for two years and barely plays this year but if we keep him in the box we can REALLY use him next year! You guys are delusional, red flags are freaking everywhere and you refuse to look at things logically. There is no world where this is good news. Ditto for Simmons.

bedjawII · Post #1420 » by **bedjawII** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:21 pm

HankTheTank wrote:
bedjawII wrote:
HankTheTank wrote:Not keeping Noel as Embiid insurance for at least another year was asinine, not to mention the lousy return

Thinking Noel is insurance for Embiid is asinine.

Wouldn't be nice to have Noel for the 20ish games Embiid won't play next year? Wouldn't be nice to trade him when he's not an impending RFA and has value?

So you think paying him 17-20m and playing him limited minutes will increase his value? Signing NN to a big contract, during a rebuild, is a direct path to mediocrity. He is neither a star player or fills a need. The Sixers would regret that contract for years, when they can't get to the ECF