Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Skates]

What ten plus year guy are we signing that deserves the max? And how exactly do we win a championship because of them without Harden or Harris or any depth? Siakam is the only FA close to fitting that slot and he, Maxey, Embiid and Springer aren’t winning anything.

[ProcessDoctor]

Guys I’m blitzed. Did we match

[eyeatoma]

What ten plus year guy are we signing that deserves the max? And how exactly do we win a championship because of them without Harden or Harris or any depth? Siakam is the only FA close to fitting that slot and he, Maxey, Embiid and Springer aren’t winning anything.

Agreed think it's a lame reason not to match.

[sixers hoops]

Oh I meant illogical after the fact to match the offer now.

The testing of the market is a direction from both parties which can carry inherent risk. Wasn’t a player saying I’ll bet on myself and got a harsh dose of reality in the end he was a philly player too at one point lol

What is the inherent risk to the Sixers? They know what he is worth now, and they can either match or not match. It’s not like he got a deal that spun Morey’s eyeballs around. Whether Paul got good offers or bad offers, the Sixers can just decide whether or not to match. The sixers are in the driver’s seat. They either want him at that price or they don’t.

Unless you are saying they simply won’t match because of the luxury tax, but if that is the case, then the Paul accepting the qualifying offer was the only way he was staying.

Ainge the smart SOB saw the margins we have. I’m guessing it’s frontloaded first season by the reports on Reed’s contract my guess it’s above or thereabouts MLE size so the contract stipulations was on purpose.

Don’t know the qualifying offer, or agent communication between the FO

The risk in being in general not so much this instance because it’s small fry but if the club wants to hold off then pony up to keep someone to match it from a rival it could be overs on what they thought it would be initially. Then your stuck with lose player X for nothing or overpay to keep. There’s other factors, market value, market perception, tax, etc. included.

I would like to see Reed here but now it makes little sense with Bamba/Harrell/Petrusev. But the sobering thing is if it was reversed on all 3 and stick fat with Reed then we’d have no trouble matching the Jazz imo

Crappy thing is we have too much “dead” money with Harris/Tucker especially.

I wouldn’t call us in the drivers seat as we are most likely going to lose another homegrown talent (other being Joe).

We are in the driver’s seat. We control whether or not we keep him. Granted we have a bad owner and bad GM, so we may let him go, but we have full control over our decision .

[76ciology]

I dont think we’d match Reed and its a no biggie.

For now, I hope Bamba can fill that role that Reed left and Montrezl can bounce back.

[sixers hoops]

What ten plus year guy are we signing that deserves the max?

Nobody

[76ciology]

Also not extending maxey to the list.

Siakam and OG are FA next season.

Likely Morey's plan. Run it back with this group, then either way go after both of those guys and extend Maxey.

Maxey
Springer
Anunoby
Siakam
Embiid

Can probably still re-sign Melton and then use the MLE and our 2024 1st to fill out the roster.

Morey is also going to go hard for Miles Bridges.

Dont know about Miles.

I find this ownership likes to make acquisition using connections like how the ownership used their connections to get Jimmy, used Doc’s connection to get Drum, Nianng and unlock Seth, used Morey’s connection to get Harden then used Harden’s connection to get Tucker and House.

I think next would be those Raps players

[eyeatoma]

What ten plus year guy are we signing that deserves the max?

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

[ProcessDoctor]

What ten plus year guy are we signing that deserves the max?

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

How many of those dudes would you max over Harden? Like if you had to.

[eyeatoma]

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

How many of those dudes would you max over Harden? Like if you had to.

If Jrue doesn't retire him, LeBron, PG, Klay.

Again this isn't a question for me, it's for Morey and Embiid.

[Skates]

What ten plus year guy are we signing that deserves the max?

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

None of those guys except maybe Jrue deserves a max contract ever again at their ages and/or injury histories. Are we opening up a home for elderly and infirm stars and hoping one will sign an albatross contract with us? AD is never leaving the Lakers who have loaded up on young talent now, the Nuggets are young and balanced, the Cavs are rising and we are going to go into battle with the corpses of Kawhi and Pj Tucker plus Maxey, Embiid and Springer.

Losing Harden, Harris, Reed, Melton, McDaniels and already blowing it with numerous other young, cheap supporting pieces, we are going to win with that core and no depth? Might as well pack up Embiid now to OKC for a haul of draft picks and players and start the Tyrese Maxey era right.

[eyeatoma]

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

None of those guys except maybe Jrue deserves a max contract ever again at their ages and/or injury histories. Are we opening up a home for elderly and infirm stars and hoping one will sign an albatross contract with us? AD is never leaving the Lakers who have loaded up on young talent now, the Nuggets are young and balanced, the Cavs are rising and we are going to go into battle with the corpses of Kawhi and Pj Tucker plus Maxey, Embiid and Springer.

Losing Harden, Harris, Reed, Melton, McDaniels and already blowing it with numerous other young, cheap supporting pieces, we are going to win with that core and no depth? Might as well pack up Embiid now to OKC for a haul of draft picks and players and start the Tyrese Maxey era right.

I agree, but does Morey? You could say that and I agree with your take. People are trying to figure out the logic behind not signing Reed. This is one of the reasons.

[Zumramania]

I'm so sad that the last years' team, which actually had some talent and depth, was in the hands of that incompetent fool Rivers.

[76ciology]

Nobody

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

How many of those dudes would you max over Harden? Like if you had to.

Jaylen Brown and Siakam are also UFA.

OG i believe is RFA, but it doesnt matter if he just asks to be traded to the Sixers because of his connection with Nurse

[76ciology]

I'm so sad that the last years' team, which actually had some talent and depth, was in the hands of that incompetent fool Rivers.

Our guys didnt make open shots.

Our best player has numbers of a mere NBA starter as per analytics, this is for the last two seasons.

[76ciology]

Im reading that superteam will be harder to build in the future with the new CBA.

That said, won’t it be harder to win with Embiid where it seems like he needs to play with 1 superstar or 2 top tier stars in order to win it. This is unlike a guy like Steph or Jokic who makes everyone better by their gravity or getting them the ball at the perfect time and place to score.

[LessMorey]

I am thinking this contract isn't matched unless Reed has a bad agent. Think about it like this:

1) He signs an offer sheet which will only be guaranteed for one year $8 million deal from the Jazz because they aren't making the Conference Seminfinals.
2) If the Sixers match, it will likely be 3 years guaranteed for $24 million.
3) Given the delta between what the two teams would give up, if the Sixers were going to match, wouldn't they have wanted to negotiate a deal directly with him without this ridiculous clause?

Basically, the Jazz will give him less than what the Sixers would give him if they match. Given the difference, wouldn't it make sense for his agent to go to Daryl and say look, let's come to a deal for something in between this? The fact they didn't tells me he's gone.

[youngcrev]

I am thinking this contract isn't matched unless Reed has a bad agent. Think about it like this:

1) He signs an offer sheet which will only be guaranteed for one year $8 million deal from the Jazz because they aren't making the Conference Seminfinals.
2) If the Sixers match, it will likely be 3 years guaranteed for $24 million.
3) Given the delta between what the two teams would give up, if the Sixers were going to match, wouldn't they have wanted to negotiate a deal directly with him without this ridiculous clause?

Basically, the Jazz will give him less than what the Sixers would give him if they match. Given the difference, wouldn't it make sense for his agent to go to Daryl and say look, let's come to a deal for something in between this? The fact they didn't tells me he's gone.

I imagine the Sixers stance the whole time was "go see what you can get", hoping the market would be dry so that they could bring him back on his qualifying offer.

I doubt Ainge gave them the opportunity to reach back out to the Sixers before signing.

[LessMorey]

Well, that's a **** deal for Paul Reed. It's a 1 year $8 million deal with two years of team options. His agent deserves to be fired if the Sixers don't match.

[youngcrev]

Im reading that superteam will be harder to build in the future with the new CBA.

That said, won’t it be harder to win with Embiid where it seems like he needs to play with 1 superstar or 2 top tier stars in order to win it. This is unlike a guy like Steph or Jokic who makes everyone better by their gravity or getting them the ball at the perfect time and place to score.

No. The lack of superteams will mean that you've always got a chance with a top tier talent like Embiid.