Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, I could take or leave Mann at this point. Trade Harden/House for Roco/Batum/Morris/FRP and I’d happily take it.

Harden is just a lost cause at this point. He’s not a winning player & getting picks/solid role players is a win in my book.

Sorry to disagree but Harden is a winning player.

9.8 WAR, offense is +7pts better per 100 on vs off court, won us 2 games against the Celts, league leader in assists and one of the best ISO scorers in the league.

Sixers wont just let him go easily. As his agent say, he will be an MVP finalist next season just as how he did last season (as per BKREF MVP tracker).

Ok now give me the breakdown in important, high pressure playoff games during his career.

He had two awesome games against the Celtics. But in our 4 losses he went for 12.5/7.8/7.2 on 22/13/88 shooting. That’s a winning player? An MVP finalist?

[Stanford]

We should pay James in WAR

[sixers4real]

Okay now.
I am a Harden fan, but a Sixers fan first.

I wish Morey really trade him for a good value or sit him.

[Murray_17]

I mean, if Morey is such a liar Harden would not be in a organization with him why opt in? try in free agency...

If a long term deal was promised why use the rockets as leverage?

If the Clippers want him so much, why is their offer crap?

Sorry, Harden is just trash. He also waited to be in China, where he knew he could trash Morey, to say this.

[AI_Efficiency]

Great look as we get ready for an off season with cap space where our last three stars left disgruntled and upset with management decisions. What a well run franchise.

Why would other players give a crap? Fulton was injured and never lived up to his billing into the draft and the issues were his own doing; Simmons has obviously continued to have issues with a new team; and no one wants Harden.

I meant more Butler and his frustration with coaching and management’s decision to prioritize other guys. But I wouldn’t want to go work somewhere that my friends tell me has a boss that lies to you and sucks, all else being equal. Also, the guys you want are the ones with options on which team to pick. If you’re a franchise only getting guys because you have to overpay, that’s not a great path to success imo.

[the_process]

Asking here because I'm more interested in hearing from 76ers fans than the general realgm public.

Does Morris, Batum, & Covington plus 2 FRP (2028 & 2030) and a 2029 swap with Philly (Harden & Forkmaz) get it done? All are expirings. Seems like a better idea than dealing with the fat suit and so forth.

Yes, it should.

However, IMO Morey doesn't really want to trade Harden, so he's being unreasonable.

[Warfelg]

Great look as we get ready for an off season with cap space where our last three stars left disgruntled and upset with management decisions. What a well run franchise.

Why would other players give a crap? Fulton was injured and never lived up to his billing into the draft and the issues were his own doing; Simmons has obviously continued to have issues with a new team; and no one wants Harden.

I meant more Butler and his frustration with coaching and management’s decision to prioritize other guys. But I wouldn’t want to go work somewhere that my friends tell me has a boss that lies to you and sucks, all else being equal. Also, the guys you want are the ones with options on which team to pick. If you’re a franchise only getting guys because you have to overpay, that’s not a great path to success imo.

Fair enough, but IMO Butler didn’t want to be here. He talked about wanting to be in Miami back to his Chicago days. He’s also a guy who carried the bad blood of not being extended early enough. His talking bout having wanted to be here is either just trying to write the story he wanted on himself because of the Chicago/Minny exits or he’s trying to use that as a recruiting tactic for Embiid of “I wanted to be with you and the team didn’t want me.”

[AI_Efficiency]

I also think this just adds to the optics that this franchise is dysfunctional. You have like Hinkie leaving / getting removed, Colangelos come in, the guy has burner accounts trashing own players, Brett brown takes over, he’s gone, now rivers gone. Then on the players side you’ve had multiple number one picks with issues. Maybe Fultz and Simmons have same things happen anywhere, but it’s not a great look. Butler and harder come and then leave. Maybe embiid can do a sell job to some FAs to say that despite all the optics, it’s not actually a mess over here.

[the_process]

He really promised him a max deal last offseason and went back on his word

Which I think is the right move but still I can see why Harden would be pissed

We are a joke franchise ha

And here we thought Glenn and Daryl would bring credibility and reason.



It's gotta be the water. You could bring Jerry West in here straight out the time machine from 1997 and he would become Ed Stefanski.

Wouldn't be surprised if Nurse forgot how to coach.

[NYSixersFan]

At the end of the day, this is Daryl's fault. He should have known Harden would turn on him if he didn't pay him.

[Mik317]

maybe its us lol

maybe we are just so toxic that it somehow leads to stupid **** happening lol.

Gloated about the process? Well Embiid is out for two years bitch.
Gloated about Simmons? Turns out he hates basketball, ho.
Gloated about trading up for Fultz? Sure would be a shame if his shoulder just stopped working, prick.
Gloated about Jimmy? Nah, he gone too, ****.
Gloated about Darryl? He has had two players quit on him ever since, punk.
Gloated about Harden over Simmons? He has quit like the Nets fans claimed....jerk
Gloated about Biid's MVP? He went out like a loser, you clod.

Maybe we should try just not having any hope and expecting bad things.....

lol.

[Warfelg]

I mean, if Morey is such a liar Harden would not be in a organization with him why opt in? try in free agency...

If a long term deal was promised why use the rockets as leverage?

If the Clippers want him so much, why is their offer crap?

Sorry, Harden is just trash. He also waited to be in China, where he knew he could trash Morey, to say this.

Amen. I think so many people have been “trained” to see the FO/Ownership as the “bad guy” and refuse to see that much of this is becoming things where there’s ‘holes’ in the Harden side of being “promised” an extension. If you knew that was coming why use the Rockets as leverage? If you think you can get paid that well why are you opting in hoping to get traded?

Sure, Morey may have “lied” to him about taking care of him, but other franchises are speaking much louder than he is by not stepping up to make the types of offers that are worth considering. He’s older, oft injured, and a playoff choker that teams aren’t interested in even at $35mil, let alone the $50mil he would have wanted.

[Warfelg]

Well this is another wrinkle:

https://x.com/bobbymarks42/status/1691064721825513474?s=46&t=xd5QJpZuXv2k7qD0xqd6aA

Morey can make this really uncomfortable for Harden and the NBA if he wants to.


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[Murray_17]

I don't doubt Harden was promised a long deal, i don't think Morey wants to trade him in reality (i want), i just think he wants a max/near max. If the max deal was agreed, why put a player option on the second year for example?

He probably took the previous deal thinking he could show he is still a max-worthy player and used the Rockets as leverage to get the money. In his mind, he probably actually showed he's a max money guy and his issue is he thought "long deal"=max money.

He's deluded about his current value around the league, but just like with Simmons, a big chunk of the problem is his camp actually indulging his delusions and therefore decreasing his value more

[Negrodamus]

Did he say this on his trip to China? if so, that’s actually hilarious and they should have had a bigger crowd for the mic drop lol. Obviously pandering, I can appreciate it.

[sixers hoops]

Asking here because I'm more interested in hearing from 76ers fans than the general realgm public.

Does Morris, Batum, & Covington plus 2 FRP (2028 & 2030) and a 2029 swap with Philly (Harden & Forkmaz) get it done? All are expirings. Seems like a better idea than dealing with the fat suit and so forth.

Yes, it should.

However, IMO Morey doesn't really want to trade Harden, so he's being unreasonable.

I agree. The players are just cap filler, but I think the two firsts are very fair value for Harden at this point. That would be a no-brainer for me.

[Black Mage]

Not sure you can trade execs, only coaches and players I believe

Eh, you really think Morey promised this to Harden, and put the Sixers into a corner, of a can't win situation. I highly doubt he promised this, no matter what. He would have put conditions which Harden obviously didn't meet.

Yeah I absolutely Daryl would say something and go back on it when it doesn't suit him. Happened with his China comments.

I think Harden was super naive to think a verbal discussion had any real value though. Morey is a shark, he's not making a bad decision if he isn't contractually obliged.

Sixers are in a good spot though, Morey is taking the heat. They can discard Morey if this has impact on how NBA players see dealing with him.

It wasn't Daryl Morey who leaked AT CHRISTMAS that he might want to go back to the Rockets even if the Sixers offered him a new contract.

Harden tried to extort the Sixers by flirting with Houston and then Houston pulled the rug out from him and bailed out.

[Mik317]

Morey and Harden are both losers.

Don't promise people **** you can go back on.

and

Don't expect to get maxes when you give up in important games.

[Tony Franciosa]

Not at all a similar situation, but I'm getting AI and Ed Snider "we're gonna trade him" vibes from this. Not going to end well for anyone, I think. Sometimes people just need to stop talking in public.

[Warfelg]

Not at all a similar situation, but I'm getting AI and Ed Snider "we're gonna trade him" vibes from this. Not going to end well for anyone, I think. Sometimes people just need to stop talking in public.

Personally I think the best thing that Morey can do at this point is stop talking publicly. Let Harden shoot himself in the foot here.