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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1401 » by 76ciology » Fri May 24, 2024 10:12 pm

mjkvol wrote:
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The lottery has a lot of lottery-caliber talent at the guard position. Most of the lottery teams already have their guard positions filled by franchise players. Those who haven’t would likely prefer to take a shot on players like Dillingham or Castle, wings like Jakobe or Cody or bigs like Flipinski or Edey.


Mjkvol,

Givony has Devin Carter slotted at 13th with his latest mock. So you might be right there


I've seen him mocked as high as #9, but you make a good point about teams above us not needing a guard.

I'll say it again, my fear is that he'll be there at #16 after Morey trades the pick. The only way to make it worse is if Knecht dropped to 16 and we didn't have the pick.


What makes you think Morey is going to trade our pick?

I believe keeping the pick and drafting someone who can contribute right away, like Terrence Shannon, Flipowski, Carter, or even Edey (Givony has him at 16th), is the best way to maximize our assets. The 16th pick comes with a $4.5M contract but could produce the value of a $10-20M player, in my opinion.

We’d still have around $55M of cap after using our pick ($60M - 16th pick salary).
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1402 » by mjkvol » Fri May 24, 2024 11:02 pm

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mjkvol wrote:
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Mjkvol,

Givony has Devin Carter slotted at 13th with his latest mock. So you might be right there


I've seen him mocked as high as #9, but you make a good point about teams above us not needing a guard.

I'll say it again, my fear is that he'll be there at #16 after Morey trades the pick. The only way to make it worse is if Knecht dropped to 16 and we didn't have the pick.


What makes you think Morey is going to trade our pick?

I believe keeping the pick and drafting someone who can contribute right away, like Terrence Shannon, Flipowski, Carter, or even Edey (Givony has him at 16th), is the best way to maximize our assets. The 16th pick comes with a $4.5M contract but could produce the value of a $10-20M player, in my opinion.

We’d still have around $55M of cap after using our pick ($60M - 16th pick salary).


I agree 100%. Just going off comments he made about not counting on draft picks to contribute as rookies, it sounded like he was justifying trading the pick for more 'immediate help'. To me, picking the right kid (ala Lively in Dallas) that can contribute early and grow as part of the rotation only makes your core stronger over the next few seasons since they are locked in at that rookie rate. I'd keep all our picks if I had my way.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1403 » by 76ciology » Sat May 25, 2024 1:36 am

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1404 » by youngcrev » Sat May 25, 2024 8:49 pm

#16 to the Nets for DFS and our 2027 1st returned
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1405 » by Arsenal » Sat May 25, 2024 9:03 pm

youngcrev wrote:#16 to the Nets for DFS and our 2027 1st returned


Trading #16 for our 2027 1st back is an underrated move. Gives us a major cache of picks to trade for a star later. Also opens up an additional $4m of cap to use this summer.

Not interested in taking back $15m for DFS though. Give us a few future 2nds plus our 2027 1st back and I'm good.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1406 » by youngcrev » Sat May 25, 2024 9:08 pm

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youngcrev wrote:#16 to the Nets for DFS and our 2027 1st returned


Trading #16 for our 2027 1st back is an underrated move. Gives us a major cache of picks to trade for a star later. Also opens up an additional $4m of cap to use this summer.

Not interested in taking back $15m for DFS though. Give us a few future 2nds plus our 2027 1st back and I'm good.


Yeah? That hasn't exactly been the situation to show off his stuff, but I think he's a solid 3+D starter, and the big forward market is pretty lacking.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1407 » by Arsenal » Sat May 25, 2024 9:10 pm

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youngcrev wrote:#16 to the Nets for DFS and our 2027 1st returned


Trading #16 for our 2027 1st back is an underrated move. Gives us a major cache of picks to trade for a star later. Also opens up an additional $4m of cap to use this summer.

Not interested in taking back $15m for DFS though. Give us a few future 2nds plus our 2027 1st back and I'm good.


Yeah? That hasn't exactly been the situation to show off his stuff, but I think he's a solid 3+D starter, and the big forward market is pretty lacking.


Perhaps but I just don't want his $15m clogging our cap this summer. I expect to need it elsewhere. If he actually has value with 2 / $30m left on his deal then I'd prefer to flip him elsewhere for more picks.

However, if we end up operating over the cap (e.g. via Tobias and Buddy S&Ts) then I'm more open to keeping DFS as a rotation piece.

Totally depends on whether we operate under the cap or over the cap this summer.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1408 » by MoeGreene » Sat May 25, 2024 9:24 pm

Does 4 1sts and Reed get this done? Overpay? Nets say they want to rebuild so.

Sixers
Bridges
Cam Thomas
Cam Johnson

Nets
Reed
26 Rd 1 OKC
28 Rd 1 LAC
29 Rd 1 Sixers
30 Rd 1 Sixers
2 2nds
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1409 » by the_process » Sat May 25, 2024 10:18 pm

youngcrev wrote:#16 to the Nets for DFS and our 2027 1st returned


I like it, but BKN isn't going for that. The future variance is worth more than a mid round pick IMO.

Maybe you could get the 2025 pick back from OKC? But in that case, the Sixers pick next year projects to be worse than this year. But it does free up both 2026 picks for another trade, and the draft next year is better than this year supposedly?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1410 » by the_process » Sat May 25, 2024 10:18 pm

MoeGreene wrote:Does 4 1sts and Reed get this done? Overpay? Nets say they want to rebuild so.

Sixers
Bridges
Cam Thomas
Cam Johnson

Nets
Reed
26 Rd 1 OKC
28 Rd 1 LAC
29 Rd 1 Sixers
30 Rd 1 Sixers
2 2nds


EDIT: Wondering if maybe you could keep 16.

2026 PHI 1st, 2026 OKC 1st, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st w/LAC swap rights, 2030 swap rights, and 2031 PHI 1st (lotto protected) to Brooklyn for SF Mikal Bridges, PF Cam Johnson, and 2027 PHI 1st returned.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1411 » by youngcrev » Sat May 25, 2024 10:39 pm

the_process wrote:
youngcrev wrote:#16 to the Nets for DFS and our 2027 1st returned


I like it, but BKN isn't going for that. The future variance is worth more than a mid round pick IMO.

Maybe you could get the 2025 pick back from OKC? But in that case, the Sixers pick next year projects to be worse than this year. But it does free up both 2026 picks for another trade, and the draft next year is better than this year supposedly?


It's top-8 protected and becomes a 2nd if not conveyed, so there's limited upside.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1412 » by the_process » Sat May 25, 2024 10:57 pm

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youngcrev wrote:#16 to the Nets for DFS and our 2027 1st returned


I like it, but BKN isn't going for that. The future variance is worth more than a mid round pick IMO.

Maybe you could get the 2025 pick back from OKC? But in that case, the Sixers pick next year projects to be worse than this year. But it does free up both 2026 picks for another trade, and the draft next year is better than this year supposedly?


It's top-8 protected and becomes a 2nd if not conveyed, so there's limited upside.


If I'm BKN, I'm playing for that sweet spot
(9-14) in what should be a better draft in 2027 with a pick from a team with a chronically injured star who will be 33. Therefore I'd want more to forgo that chance.

IDK if 16 & 41 is even enough. Maybe. They'd probably give you the pick back for eating Simmons, though. :lol:
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1413 » by Jailblazers7 » Sat May 25, 2024 11:42 pm

MoeGreene wrote:Does 4 1sts and Reed get this done? Overpay? Nets say they want to rebuild so.

Sixers
Bridges
Cam Thomas
Cam Johnson

Nets
Reed
26 Rd 1 OKC
28 Rd 1 LAC
29 Rd 1 Sixers
30 Rd 1 Sixers
2 2nds


Feels like an insane risk to trade 4 firsts for a bunch of role players. If we mortgage the future, it better at least be a blue chipper.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1414 » by MoeGreene » Sun May 26, 2024 5:13 am

Totally fair. How about instead of a Cam, you swap in sign and trade for Claxton?

Also, considering it was once 4 1sts just for Bridges, is it really an overpay?

Jailblazers7 wrote:
MoeGreene wrote:Does 4 1sts and Reed get this done? Overpay? Nets say they want to rebuild so.


Feels like an insane risk to trade 4 firsts for a bunch of role players. If we mortgage the future, it better at least be a blue chipper.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1415 » by Jailblazers7 » Sun May 26, 2024 1:04 pm

MoeGreene wrote:Totally fair. How about instead of a Cam, you swap in sign and trade for Claxton?

Also, considering it was once 4 1sts just for Bridges, is it really an overpay?


I don’t think current market rate for Bridges would be anywhere near 4 firsts. It’s more about the opportunity cost tho. I want this team to either get a wing with playmaking ability or a forward who is an excellent rebounder. And Bridges is neither of those.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1416 » by the_process » Mon May 27, 2024 10:54 pm

76ciology wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Mjkvol,

Givony has Devin Carter slotted at 13th with his latest mock. So you might be right there


I've seen him mocked as high as #9, but you make a good point about teams above us not needing a guard.

I'll say it again, my fear is that he'll be there at #16 after Morey trades the pick. The only way to make it worse is if Knecht dropped to 16 and we didn't have the pick.


What makes you think Morey is going to trade our pick?

I believe keeping the pick and drafting someone who can contribute right away, like Terrence Shannon, Flipowski, Carter, or even Edey (Givony has him at 16th), is the best way to maximize our assets. The 16th pick comes with a $4.5M contract but could produce the value of a $10-20M player, in my opinion.

We’d still have around $55M of cap after using our pick ($60M - 16th pick salary).


16 is already accounted for in the 60M cap space.

16+Embiid+Council+Maxey cap hold+ 9 incomplete roster charges equals about 81M.

Cap is currently slotted at 141M.

Trading it to OKC for the 25 pick back saves an additional 5M, which would allow them to keep Melton’s cap hold as well and still have 49.1M in cap space.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1417 » by 76ciology » Tue May 28, 2024 2:55 am

the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
I've seen him mocked as high as #9, but you make a good point about teams above us not needing a guard.

I'll say it again, my fear is that he'll be there at #16 after Morey trades the pick. The only way to make it worse is if Knecht dropped to 16 and we didn't have the pick.


What makes you think Morey is going to trade our pick?

I believe keeping the pick and drafting someone who can contribute right away, like Terrence Shannon, Flipowski, Carter, or even Edey (Givony has him at 16th), is the best way to maximize our assets. The 16th pick comes with a $4.5M contract but could produce the value of a $10-20M player, in my opinion.

We’d still have around $55M of cap after using our pick ($60M - 16th pick salary).


16 is already accounted for in the 60M cap space.

16+Embiid+Council+Maxey cap hold+ 9 incomplete roster charges equals about 81M.

Cap is currently slotted at 141M.

Trading it to OKC for the 25 pick back saves an additional 5M, which would allow them to keep Melton’s cap hold as well and still have 49.1M in cap space.


Thanks for the info.

However, I'd rather have the 16th pick and still get $60 million in cap space.

I don't think Melton is worth it. The 16th pick, with a contract around $4.5 million, is worth a player with a contract of around $12-15 million.

FA game is also complicated that you’re likely going to get a $8M talent for a $12-15M cap space because you have to outbid other teams.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1418 » by the_process » Tue May 28, 2024 7:36 am

76ciology wrote:
the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:
What makes you think Morey is going to trade our pick?

I believe keeping the pick and drafting someone who can contribute right away, like Terrence Shannon, Flipowski, Carter, or even Edey (Givony has him at 16th), is the best way to maximize our assets. The 16th pick comes with a $4.5M contract but could produce the value of a $10-20M player, in my opinion.

We’d still have around $55M of cap after using our pick ($60M - 16th pick salary).


16 is already accounted for in the 60M cap space.

16+Embiid+Council+Maxey cap hold+ 9 incomplete roster charges equals about 81M.

Cap is currently slotted at 141M.

Trading it to OKC for the 25 pick back saves an additional 5M, which would allow them to keep Melton’s cap hold as well and still have 49.1M in cap space.


Thanks for the info.

However, I'd rather have the 16th pick and still get $60 million in cap space.

I don't think Melton is worth it. The 16th pick, with a contract around $4.5 million, is worth a player with a contract of around $12-15 million.

FA game is also complicated that you’re likely going to get a $8M talent for a $12-15M cap space because you have to outbid other teams.


I don't want to keep Melton either.

Keeping his cap hold means you can sign and trade him, and you have full Bird rights, meaning you can inflate his salary to whatever you need to.

For instance, you could sign PG and then trade for Mikal or Lauri.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1419 » by 76ciology » Tue May 28, 2024 10:56 am

Bulls:
$10M cap
2026 OKC 1st
2026 Sixers pick swap option

Sixers signs Paul George $49M

Sixers drafts Daron Holmes with 16th pick


Tyrese Maxey
Alex Caruso
Paul George
Daron Holmes
Joel Embiid
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Post#1420 » by PhillyFan11 » Tue May 28, 2024 3:25 pm

Trades-

16, higher of ‘26 & ‘28 1st’s + ‘30 pick swap to Nets for Mikal Bridges

Trade 2 future 2nd’s to Atlanta to absorb DeAndre Hunter in 3 team DeJounte Murray for Brandon Ingram deal.

Sign with cap space- Obi Toppin. RFA that Indy may not be willing to pay up to keep as a backup after maxing Siakam


Maxey
Mikal Bridges
Deandre Hunter
Obi Toppin
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Rest of bench/vet mins- Lowry, Reggie Bullock, Dario Saric, Goga Bitzade, Council, 2nd round pick

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