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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1421 » by MNSixerFan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:15 am

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah this is starting to look like something Colangelo drummed up to distract the media from the Embiid injury and the Simmons nonsense. What a complete abject failure this guy has been.

What's worse is that is jerking around a second year player who is really just a young kid. Regardless of what you think of Okafor as a player he is a human being. Sad.
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1422 » by Mik317 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:16 am

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#1) Young players tend to suck at defense. Seeing a rookie defend like Embiid does (or Noel did) is pretty rare. Especially in today's switch heavy defensive schemes that have to face a ton of P&R.

#2) There's no chance Towns is the "worst" defender at the Center position. These +/- based stats like RPM have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. There are a ton of factors that affect them.



Watch almost every game, Towns is terrible on D.

Just watched first half of wolves versus cavs. Holy crap is he awful on D. Just stands at the left corner of the free throw line and does nothing. Lebron ran pas him at least 4 times for uncontested dunks. Tristan clowning him down low too. How is Thibs putting up with this?


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when they refused to have him guard Embiid, I thought that was some weakass ****.
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1423 » by MNSixerFan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:17 am

Yep

Towns is brutal on D
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1424 » by marcush » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:18 am

Towns has a motor though. I would expect him to improve significantly.
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Post#1425 » by bball4life » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:22 am

marcush wrote:Towns has a motor though. I would expect him to improve significantly.

Isn't the very definition of a motor hustle and effort? All I see is him lazily moving around except when he has the ball down low on offense.


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Post#1426 » by MNSixerFan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:23 am

marcush wrote:Towns has a motor though. I would expect him to improve significantly.

He gives 100% on offense but he has no interest in playing defense.
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1427 » by hookshot199 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:29 am

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I presented my argument for why I disagree using RPM, on/off splits, team record, rebounding rates, etc.

You've indicated many times that you oppose my view but as far as I can tell, you haven't stated why. Why do you say he had a good rookie season?


Compared to what? Someone who plays 10 mpg and comes in during garbage time? Or someone who plays almost exclusively in the D League and then gets cut? Or someone who plays when Stephan Curry is in the lineup verus someone who played when Hinkie got it in his head that Isiah Canaan could play point?

I'll give you 50 years of rookies, not 20 or 30 if wish to persist, and Okafor is in the upper half. He wasn't the main reason the Sixers were bad last year. And I went through the list of top 15 or top 16 and you tried to argue that guys who played 10 or mpg had better seasons. No they didn't.


It doesn't need to be relative but maybe let's say compared to the average NBA player that played 1000+ minutes if that makes it easier.

I disagree though - I think he was one of the primary reasons the Sixers were bad last year (as well as this year when he plays).

As for the last sentence, it depends on your perspective. From my perspective, a D League level player that played less than 200 minutes all year at an atrocious level of play is going to be less detrimental than someone who played 1500 minutes at a slightly less detrimental level. The former player might be worse when he's on the court on a per minute basis, but the latter player is more harmful to his team's success.

Conversely, let's say someone was incredible and actually better than Steph Curry on a per minute basis but only played 200 minutes. I wouldn't say that player was the best (or one of the best) players in the league last season.

However, I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable to have that point of view so I'll revise my statement to "of players that played a significant amount of minutes per game last season, Okafor was one of the worst players in the league".


Yes, and he was also a rookie. And a 19-year-old rookie. His defensive shortcomings are problematic. But his offensive game for a 19-year-old is quite incredible. Where the history part comes in is if you go back and look at some of the great players in the game, many of them were not standouts as college freshmen. And many of them didn't enter the league until they were 21 or 22. That's why it's unfair to judge him so harshly.

Do it if you wish, but I think it's a mistake.
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1428 » by marcush » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:34 am

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marcush wrote:Towns has a motor though. I would expect him to improve significantly.

Isn't the very definition of a motor hustle and effort? All I see is him lazily moving around except when he has the ball down low on offense.


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He came straight into the league with a 19% rebound rate and was a good shot blocker in college. That indicates to me that there is a bit to work with. I'm not expecting Embiid level because he doesn't have that level of awareness but I expect him to be a good defender one day.
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1429 » by NBA Moses » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:13 am

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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1430 » by Mik317 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:16 am

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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1431 » by NBA Moses » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:19 am

Huge Denzel Valentine fan heading into the draft but he has had a terrible rookie year.

28% 3 pt
36 % 2 pt

More turnovers than assists.

If Valentine is incoming someones minutes are going to get zapped(Sauce/Henderson?)
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1432 » by Sixerscan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:20 am

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This is as fake as Okafor being a 19 year old rookie.
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Post#1433 » by Sixerscan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:21 am

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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1434 » by Sixersftw » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:24 am

If thats the offer, I'd rather take Ajinca and a protected first. Valentine is pretty trash.
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1435 » by Skates » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:26 am

We need better fake, er, alternative rumors.
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1436 » by Mik317 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:27 am

I want a wing...but Valentine , based off of his short NBA career, isn't that different from Stauskas...who we already have. McBuckets at the very least would give us another sf...even if he also isn't that much better atm. Beggars can't be choosers but any actual player we get back in this deal...it would be nice if they could crack the rotation lol. I **** on Stauskas and Henderson a lot...but yeah, you gotta be at least that "good" for it to matter.

but then again I imagine the pick is the real prize and is what is holding it up.
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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1437 » by LongLiveHinkie » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:31 am

John Gonzalez reporting Okafor is indeed back with the Sixers.

What an absolute clusterf this whole thing has been
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Post#1438 » by Mik317 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:32 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:John Gonzalez reporting Okafor is indeed back with the Sixers.

What an absolute clusterf this whole thing has been


lol.

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Re: Okafor trade talk:(pg.18) Held out of Sat game due to possible trade 

Post#1439 » by Sixerscan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:33 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:John Gonzalez reporting Okafor is indeed back with the Sixers.

What an absolute clusterf this whole thing has been


Feel terrible for Okafor. So extremely unprofessional by Colangelo and everyone involved.
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Post#1440 » by Sportfan73 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:33 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:John Gonzalez reporting Okafor is indeed back with the Sixers.

What an absolute clusterf this whole thing has been

Gotta just get value and go. Can't be treating players bad if we want to sign FA long term.


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