Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

M2J · Post #1421 » by **M2J** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:14 am

Yeah, after the Richardson trade, I am sure they're keeping their eye out for big deals and trades, but that may be all in terms of truly significant trades. On to free agency.

I see a certain member is down on Green. I feel like I'm terms of player to player Horford may be a bit better than Green at this point, but the fit for this team is a huge check mark for Green or a player like him. Green isn't Kawhi defensively, but in terms of the role specific 3 and D players in the NBA... Green has been the prototype for years, and is champion 3x over for 3 different teams starting in that spot. He filled that role as basically the only trustworthy 3pt shooter last year, which isn't easy, and the primary perimeter defender on an elite defense. I wouldn't ever say over the course of his career he's been a shut down defender, but an excellent overall defender.

I must say, I am also happy with Curry. He's an absolutely amazing 3pt shooter, and above average defensive player in terms of effort and understanding, but physically he creates a defensive liability that can be sought out by teams on switches. But if you hide him on an average guy, he's solid. He's also pretty cheap controlled asset, that will not cost as much as Josh would after next season. He probably gives you a lot of what Hield would be asked for on this team, but again cheaper, without some of the other fears Buddy would bring. For instance Buddy would demand to start, Curry may start, but could be useful off the bench too without the drama and is also better defensively. But, I'm very hopeful that Tisse and/or Ferguson take a leap next season and compete for that starting job.

A bit about Ferguson

https://thunderousintentions.com/2020/08/27/okc-thunder-rise-fall-terrance-ferguson/amp/3/

Post #1422 » by **BullyKing** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:01 pm

I wish I could be as optimistic as you guys. It's not really an indictment of the moves Morey made last night but more the realization that Brand completely knee capped our ability to compete. I'm not really seeing the path to be anything more than Embiid, Simmons, and a roster of role players and that's just not cutting it in today's NBA.

cool93 · Post #1423 » by **cool93** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:08 pm

BullyKing wrote:I wish I could be as optimistic as you guys. It's not really an indictment of the moves Morey made last night but more the realization that Brand completely knee capped our ability to compete. I'm not really seeing the path to be anything more than Embiid, Simmons, and a roster of role players and that's just not cutting it in today's NBA.

I mean, it was obvious for a while now. So what? We should make steps to become a little bit better after every move and than see what that brings us too.

Look at it this way, couple of months ago we were on the path to be the next Knicks, and now we have ELITE front office for the next 5 years.

No point in thinking what could have been. Work with what you have.

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ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1424 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 pm

BullyKing wrote:I wish I could be as optimistic as you guys. It's not really an indictment of the moves Morey made last night but more the realization that Brand completely knee capped our ability to compete. I'm not really seeing the path to be anything more than Embiid, Simmons, and a roster of role players and that's just not cutting it in today's NBA.

Last season, it was Lebron, AD and a roster of role players. This is more about what fits rather than big names. Who knows? We may not be done yet, but Embiid, Simmons, and Harris are the go to guys and we have defense, depth, and shooting at the guard positions. I'm personally good with trying this. I think we're going to be surprised by the outcome. Give Ben and JoJo the keys, they're ready.

Post #1425 » by **BullyKing** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 pm

This is what we have under contract after this year:

PG: Curry, Maxey
SG: Milton, Thybulle
SF: Simmons, Joe?
PF: Harris
C: Embiid, Reed?

And unless there is a big cap jump, I'm not seeing the math that gets us under the apron. So you're basically looking at adding a guy with the taxpayer exception, our 1st and then minimum salary veterans.

Post #1426 » by **BullyKing** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:12 pm

cool93 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:I wish I could be as optimistic as you guys. It's not really an indictment of the moves Morey made last night but more the realization that Brand completely knee capped our ability to compete. I'm not really seeing the path to be anything more than Embiid, Simmons, and a roster of role players and that's just not cutting it in today's NBA.
I mean, it was obvious for a while now. So what? We should make steps to become a little bit better after every move and than see what that brings us too.

Look at it this way, couple of months ago we were on the path to be the next Knicks, and now we have ELITE front office for the next 5 years.

No point in thinking what could have been. Work with what you have.

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I think I'm just shook at how quickly we managed to find ourselves back on the treadmill.

Post #1427 » by **BullyKing** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:16 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
BullyKing wrote:I wish I could be as optimistic as you guys. It's not really an indictment of the moves Morey made last night but more the realization that Brand completely knee capped our ability to compete. I'm not really seeing the path to be anything more than Embiid, Simmons, and a roster of role players and that's just not cutting it in today's NBA.

Last season, it was Lebron, AD and a roster of role players. This is more about what fits rather than big names. Who knows? We may not be done yet, but Embiid, Simmons, and Harris are the go to guys and we have defense, depth, and shooting at the guard positions. I'm personally good with trying this. I think we're going to be surprised by the outcome. Give Ben and JoJo the keys, they're ready.

Sure, if one of Embiid or Simmons turns into Lebron, we're great. But that seems unlikely and it feels much more likely we're locked into mediocrity.

Sorry to be a downer. Just feels like we're significantly behind real contenders and I'm not seeing the flexibility to get better that others are seeing. Sure, we've cut the tax bill significantly but that's not the same as flexibility that can actually improve the team.

cool93 · Post #1428 » by **cool93** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:20 pm

BullyKing wrote:
cool93 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:I wish I could be as optimistic as you guys. It's not really an indictment of the moves Morey made last night but more the realization that Brand completely knee capped our ability to compete. I'm not really seeing the path to be anything more than Embiid, Simmons, and a roster of role players and that's just not cutting it in today's NBA.
I mean, it was obvious for a while now. So what? We should make steps to become a little bit better after every move and than see what that brings us too.

Look at it this way, couple of months ago we were on the path to be the next Knicks, and now we have ELITE front office for the next 5 years.

No point in thinking what could have been. Work with what you have.

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I think I'm just shook at how quickly we managed to find ourselves back on the treadmill.

Having two all-nba guys well under 30 years old is not a treadmill. Especially with competent FO.
We already know that Embiid+Simmons with any kind of shooters=50+ wins in the East. Harris overpayed, but still is a very good 3rd option in my opinion. This team should by default be a lot better than 2018 version, not even counting some FA vets we can add and chance for Matisse improvement/this years rookie is a steal.
Just gradualy improve from that and we are good.

Or trade for Harden and we are contender right now, lol.

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phiphan · Post #1429 » by **phiphan** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:27 pm

So can we assume that Morey is aiming for serious ‘24-‘25 contention given that he traded our 2025 pick? Only Ben is currently on the books for ‘24-‘25. Embiid hopefully will be resigned to the supermax in the summer of 2024 (?). So it looks like we will be in the “restocking the pantry” phase until then and will be going for a third star in the summer of 2024. We’ve lost several years off of Ben and Joel’s primes.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1430 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:30 pm

^^^ either that or tank in 2025 to keep the pick (top 6 protected).

eyeatoma · Post #1431 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:48 pm

LOL are you guys serious? We'll obviously make a big move in the next year or two if things don't pan out with Ben.

cool93 · Post #1432 » by **cool93** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:57 pm

fl311 wrote:Morey is working on other trades to obtain players that Houston may want in lieu of Simmons. It’s a long shot but he is working many avenues here.

Are you hearing anything about significant trades? Was draft night just starting fase of the "plan", or this is it for now?

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Kolkmania · Post #1433 » by **Kolkmania** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:01 pm

phiphan wrote:So can we assume that Morey is aiming for serious ‘24-‘25 contention given that he traded our 2025 pick? Only Ben is currently on the books for ‘24-‘25. Embiid hopefully will be resigned to the supermax in the summer of 2024 (?). So it looks like we will be in the “restocking the pantry” phase until then and will be going for a third star in the summer of 2024. We’ve lost several years off of Ben and Joel’s primes.

Or OKC wanted 2025, because who knows what happens in 5 years? Perhaps Embiid's legs has fallen off and they have the chance to get a top 10 pick.

It provides upside for OKC, balancing a small price to dump Horford's contract.

Kolkmania · Post #1434 » by **Kolkmania** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:05 pm

Agree that this team is nowhere near being favorites to win the NBA title. But boy, does it make it easier on me to follow this team with a competent GM.
If we're completely honest, we still have no primary ball handler. Simmmons, Curry, Shake and perhaps Maxey can all handle some limited ball handling tasks, but not good enough for crunch time playmaking. If no further big moves, we're betting on Embiid and Simmons taking the next big step.

Regarding drafts and trades. I like Maxey and I'm curious to see what Joel and Ben can do with shooters and whether it is still as dynamite as ~2018. Seth Curry is really good btw.

youngcrev · Post #1435 » by **youngcrev** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:10 pm

So I guess Shake and Curry compete the starting "guard that can spot up at a high level and dribble a little bit but can't defend" job and Thybulle and Green will compete for "guard that can defend and shoot a bit, but don't dare ask me to dribble" spot.

Consider me underwhelmed with whatever starting backcourt wins out.

Hopefully Doc can get more out of Tobias, because I think they're gonna be counting on him on ball more. And obviously, hopefully we get leaps out of Ben and Jo with some more room for them to operate.

At least they're not in complete cap hell now though...

VDT · Post #1436 » by **VDT** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:11 pm

The team lacks any perimeter creation, perhaps even more than before. But it might be better to wait until all the moves are done before making a judgement.

Regarding the pessimism about the team's future, the problem is not only Brand's moves. His moves were terrible but the main issue is that the Embiid/ Simmons duo is not as good as we had hoped, both individually and as a fit. Breaking the duo to get a better fit and possibly a better player is probably the more realistic path to improve the team in the next 2-3 years.

phiphan · Post #1437 » by **phiphan** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:13 pm

Morey said at his first press conference that he was going to spend the next 12 hours in a room with Elton discussing the team. I’m now laughing thinking about how that had to have gone.

Kobblehead · Post #1438 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:15 pm

I'm glad we dumped Josh Richardson.

No defense, can't score off the dribble well enough to justify him being a defensive sieve. He had become a bad player with fake useful offensive production. I'm glad Morey saw that.

youngcrev · Post #1439 » by **youngcrev** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:35 pm

Yeah, glad we got that huge defensive upgrade from Richardson to Curry... :eek1:

Tony Franciosa · Post #1440 » by **Tony Franciosa** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:38 pm

BullyKing wrote:I wish I could be as optimistic as you guys. It's not really an indictment of the moves Morey made last night but more the realization that Brand completely knee capped our ability to compete. I'm not really seeing the path to be anything more than Embiid, Simmons, and a roster of role players and that's just not cutting it in today's NBA.

Embiid and Simmons were going to have to be maxed out at some point and we all knew it was going to hamstring us when it happened, so it sucks that we didn't have management in place that could think critically before and around that to get the roster ready for that moment... hopefully Morey's more creative (and I think he is) and we'll see improvement and relief somehow.

I love Curry over Richardson. Dumping Al was a good move. Let's see what's next...