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Post#1421 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:26 am

Mik317 wrote:love Jo but I never thought he was the best in the world lol. That has been Giannis, Steph, Bron and KD basically.

can't even get into those convos until you win a ring. It was the reason I was against Jokic winning 3 in a row as his only real success was in the bubble. He shut that **** down with his play. Now its time for Jo to do the same.

...I'd rather Biid go out shooting 2-35 and playing hard than going out in sad boi mode tho. SO this upcoming season is IT for Biid the franchise guy (doesn't mean he can't win it all later....just that it probably won't happen here). I am hoping a new coaching voice, the fact that Harden wasn't enough to be the meat shield for blame this time out and his "rival" basically lapping him and the fact that he got the MVP and fair or not it doesn't mean was much now...puts a flame under him. I am hoping the fact that we haven't heard **** from him since the loss means he is locked in....

pls god lol



You tripping. Joel is definitely one of the best basketball players in the world right now.
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Post#1422 » by Jhawk03 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:35 am

Ben Simmons was coddled for a long time and we witnessed the result of said coddling. Luckily from the sound of things on here Joel isn't getting the same treatment. The irony in fact is that he could perhaps use some of that coddling now that Jokic is a champion. If only to maintain his composure this off-season. Unfortunately trolls will feed him his just desserts and that approach will undoubtedly backfire. I have no doubt he will be motivated, and I hope he stays away from social media for his sake.
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Post#1423 » by Eyeamok » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:17 pm

Maybe all he needs is better coaching. A better offensive plan and a clear direction. The MVP was a thorn in his side for a few seasons. Now that is out of the way, perhaps, as other have said, he can now focus more on being a defensive threat and not the focal point on offense. But for that to happen someone has to step up big time and be consistent. That is not on Joe. That comes down to better coaching. And if I am going to be honest. A better coached 76ers team would have made it to the Eastern Conference Finals this year. They had Boston right where they wanted them and could not get the job done.
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Post#1424 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:36 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Maybe all he needs is better coaching. A better offensive plan and a clear direction. The MVP was a thorn in his side for a few seasons. Now that is out of the way, perhaps, as other have said, he can now focus more on being a defensive threat and not the focal point on offense. But for that to happen someone has to step up big time and be consistent. That is not on Joe. That comes down to better coaching. And if I am going to be honest. A better coached 76ers team would have made it to the Eastern Conference Finals this year. They had Boston right where they wanted them and could not get the job done.

Jo is a big boy and a great player. Blaming the coach is lame and a disservice to his talent. He even said himself he was shocked Glenn was fired and that he didn’t deserve it. Now, I disagree with him, but he’s right in that Doc wasn’t on the court playing. Jo being unsuccessful every year falls mostly on him and no one else. No coach is ever going to matter if he doesn’t take full accountability first.
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Post#1425 » by Arsenal » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:05 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Maybe all he needs is better coaching. A better offensive plan and a clear direction. The MVP was a thorn in his side for a few seasons. Now that is out of the way, perhaps, as other have said, he can now focus more on being a defensive threat and not the focal point on offense. But for that to happen someone has to step up big time and be consistent. That is not on Joe. That comes down to better coaching. And if I am going to be honest. A better coached 76ers team would have made it to the Eastern Conference Finals this year. They had Boston right where they wanted them and could not get the job done.


Coaching matters a lot. The jump from Rivers to Nurse is significant. For the first time Embiid will have a great coach this upcoming season.
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Post#1426 » by Arsenal » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:06 pm

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Eyeamok wrote:Maybe all he needs is better coaching. A better offensive plan and a clear direction. The MVP was a thorn in his side for a few seasons. Now that is out of the way, perhaps, as other have said, he can now focus more on being a defensive threat and not the focal point on offense. But for that to happen someone has to step up big time and be consistent. That is not on Joe. That comes down to better coaching. And if I am going to be honest. A better coached 76ers team would have made it to the Eastern Conference Finals this year. They had Boston right where they wanted them and could not get the job done.

Jo is a big boy and a great player. Blaming the coach is lame and a disservice to his talent. He even said himself he was shocked Glenn was fired and that he didn’t deserve it. Now, I disagree with him, but he’s right in that Doc wasn’t on the court playing. Jo being unsuccessful every year falls mostly on him and no one else. No coach is ever going to matter if he doesn’t take full accountability first.


What's he gonna do, say Glenn was terrible and deserved to be fired? Jo knows he finally has a stud coach.
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Post#1427 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:08 pm

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Eyeamok wrote:Maybe all he needs is better coaching. A better offensive plan and a clear direction. The MVP was a thorn in his side for a few seasons. Now that is out of the way, perhaps, as other have said, he can now focus more on being a defensive threat and not the focal point on offense. But for that to happen someone has to step up big time and be consistent. That is not on Joe. That comes down to better coaching. And if I am going to be honest. A better coached 76ers team would have made it to the Eastern Conference Finals this year. They had Boston right where they wanted them and could not get the job done.

Jo is a big boy and a great player. Blaming the coach is lame and a disservice to his talent. He even said himself he was shocked Glenn was fired and that he didn’t deserve it. Now, I disagree with him, but he’s right in that Doc wasn’t on the court playing. Jo being unsuccessful every year falls mostly on him and no one else. No coach is ever going to matter if he doesn’t take full accountability first.


What's he gonna do, say Glenn was terrible and deserved to be fired? Jo knows he finally has a stud coach.

I don’t know, say nothing like everyone else?
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Post#1428 » by Arsenal » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:15 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:Jo is a big boy and a great player. Blaming the coach is lame and a disservice to his talent. He even said himself he was shocked Glenn was fired and that he didn’t deserve it. Now, I disagree with him, but he’s right in that Doc wasn’t on the court playing. Jo being unsuccessful every year falls mostly on him and no one else. No coach is ever going to matter if he doesn’t take full accountability first.


What's he gonna do, say Glenn was terrible and deserved to be fired? Jo knows he finally has a stud coach.

I don’t know, say nothing like everyone else?


It's not realistic. The vulture media will always force a quote from a star player when the coach gets fired. What Jo said was standard PR speak. Don't give the vultures any meat.
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Post#1429 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:23 pm

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What's he gonna do, say Glenn was terrible and deserved to be fired? Jo knows he finally has a stud coach.

I don’t know, say nothing like everyone else?


It's not realistic. The vulture media will always force a quote from a star player when the coach gets fired. What Jo said was standard PR speak. Don't give the vultures any meat.

I was referencing a report that said he was shocked when he heard it was happening, not anything postgame. Morey even said in his presser I believe that Jo didn’t want him fired and needed to be talked in to it. I know what you’re saying, but this is different ( and fwiw, I disagree with Joel).
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Post#1430 » by Arsenal » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:41 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:I don’t know, say nothing like everyone else?


It's not realistic. The vulture media will always force a quote from a star player when the coach gets fired. What Jo said was standard PR speak. Don't give the vultures any meat.

I was referencing a report that said he was shocked when he heard it was happening, not anything postgame. Morey even said in his presser I believe that Jo didn’t want him fired and needed to be talked in to it. I know what you’re saying, but this is different ( and fwiw, I disagree with Joel).


Most likely Morey is also doing PR-speak to make Jo look good.

But even if true it means nothing. Jo "didn't want" Brett fired either. He's just a loyal guy and blames himself for the team not doing better.

If he REALLY cared that much about Glenn he'd issue a trade demand or do something drastic. Which of course didn't happen.
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Post#1431 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:44 pm

Arsenal wrote:
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It's not realistic. The vulture media will always force a quote from a star player when the coach gets fired. What Jo said was standard PR speak. Don't give the vultures any meat.

I was referencing a report that said he was shocked when he heard it was happening, not anything postgame. Morey even said in his presser I believe that Jo didn’t want him fired and needed to be talked in to it. I know what you’re saying, but this is different ( and fwiw, I disagree with Joel).


Most likely Morey is also doing PR-speak to make Jo look good.

But even if true it means nothing. Jo "didn't want" Brett fired either. He's just a loyal guy and blames himself for the team not doing better.

If he REALLY cared that much about Glenn he'd issue a trade demand or do something drastic. Which of course didn't happen.

I think Jo knows Glenn isn’t the main reason they lost. That’s really my only point.
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Post#1432 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:08 pm

This playoffs was a disaster Rivers,Harden and Tobias all need to be the gone together . Next year blame Embiid.
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Post#1433 » by Mik317 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:18 pm

no blame Biid right now too ; just he's lower on the jettison into the sun list
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Post#1434 » by Eyeamok » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:35 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:I was referencing a report that said he was shocked when he heard it was happening, not anything postgame. Morey even said in his presser I believe that Jo didn’t want him fired and needed to be talked in to it. I know what you’re saying, but this is different ( and fwiw, I disagree with Joel).


Most likely Morey is also doing PR-speak to make Jo look good.

But even if true it means nothing. Jo "didn't want" Brett fired either. He's just a loyal guy and blames himself for the team not doing better.

If he REALLY cared that much about Glenn he'd issue a trade demand or do something drastic. Which of course didn't happen.

I think Jo knows Glenn isn’t the main reason they lost. That’s really my only point.


Embiid probably does not know what he does not know about coaching and how much a good coach can have a positive effect on his overall game.
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Post#1435 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:18 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
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Most likely Morey is also doing PR-speak to make Jo look good.

But even if true it means nothing. Jo "didn't want" Brett fired either. He's just a loyal guy and blames himself for the team not doing better.

If he REALLY cared that much about Glenn he'd issue a trade demand or do something drastic. Which of course didn't happen.

I think Jo knows Glenn isn’t the main reason they lost. That’s really my only point.


Embiid probably does not know what he does not know about coaching and how much a good coach can have a positive effect on his overall game.

That’s a different argument and that’s playing mind reader. Again, definitely not absolving Rivers. But him wilting and needing PJ Tucker for a pep talk isn’t on Glenn. I hate that I’m being forced to “defend” Rivers, but Jo not calling for the ball is not on Glenn. Him moping around like a sad boy whose dog died is not on Glenn. If anything, Glenn enabled him and allowed him to gun for the MVP HE wanted.
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Post#1436 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:26 pm

I think Doc was a bad fit to coach Embiid because they shared similar weaknesses. Both struggle to make adjustments in real time & maintain composure under pressure. Same for Harden really. So our 3 most important decision makers all had the same weakness so it all compounds.
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Post#1437 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:30 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:I think Doc was a bad fit to coach Embiid because they shared similar weaknesses. Both struggle to make adjustments in real time & maintain composure under pressure. Same for Harden really. So our 3 most important decision makers all had the same weakness so it all compounds.

Agreed. But WINNING players don’t let a coach get in the way of their greatness. They just don’t. They say **** this dumbass coach if need be and go get the job done.

A winning player is supposed to at least get you out of the second round regardless of who the coach is. It’s a tough pill to swallow that your franchise player might not be good enough and it’s much easier to just write it off as “the coach sucks” though so I get it.
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Post#1438 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:58 pm

Losing Embiid doesn't make us better losing Tobias,harden and doc potentially does....
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Post#1439 » by Eyeamok » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:09 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:I think Jo knows Glenn isn’t the main reason they lost. That’s really my only point.


Embiid probably does not know what he does not know about coaching and how much a good coach can have a positive effect on his overall game.

That’s a different argument and that’s playing mind reader. Again, definitely not absolving Rivers. But him wilting and needing PJ Tucker for a pep talk isn’t on Glenn. I hate that I’m being forced to “defend” Rivers, but Jo not calling for the ball is not on Glenn. Him moping around like a sad boy whose dog died is not on Glenn. If anything, Glenn enabled him and allowed him to gun for the MVP HE wanted.


I'm playing mind reader! You wrote this "I think Jo knows Glenn isn’t the main reason they lost." and you know this how? I wrote probably. Because Embiid has only really had one head coach his entire career. Brett Brown was a 1st time head coach learning on the job, hampered by the process, hampered by a petulant young child in Ben Simmons, hampered by Embiid missing years because of injury and hampered by inconsistent upper management upheaval. It's hard to know what a head coach is supposed to be with all of those things going on. Secondly I am not putting this all on Glenn, Embiid did not show up. All I am stating is that a better coach might make a world of difference with Embiid when it counts most. In the playoffs. And maybe the loss against Boston was not on Rivers. But that Atlanta series was. Say what you want about Simmons not dunking the ball. But the 76ers were up big several times in several games in that series and they go on to lose to Atlanta. An experienced coach like Rivers should never have allowed that to happen.
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Post#1440 » by 76Love » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:10 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Trolls are in full swing on the board.


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