Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

[the_process]

Could just be coincidence. But what if Hornets was tanking for Wembayama to be drafted by MJ and eventually sign with Jordan brand?

The Hornets might as well go all in on the tank. That is why they need Tobias!

[76ciology]

Could just be coincidence. But what if Hornets was tanking for Wembayama to be drafted by MJ and eventually sign with Jordan brand?

The Hornets might as well go all in on the tank. That is why they need Tobias!

For who? Miles bridges?

[76ciology]

One of those players who maybe good but wont be as valued that good.

Alperen Sengun.

[the_process]

Could just be coincidence. But what if Hornets was tanking for Wembayama to be drafted by MJ and eventually sign with Jordan brand?

The Hornets might as well go all in on the tank. That is why they need Tobias!

For who? Miles bridges?

Hayward plus something. Preferably Washington, but McDaniels would also be acceptable. As a last resort, Harris and Thybulle for Hayward and Oubre works financially.

[76ciology]

Grizz is the modern day Spurs. Konchar is another good find for them.

[76ciology]

The Hornets might as well go all in on the tank. That is why they need Tobias!

For who? Miles bridges?

Hayward plus something. Preferably Washington, but McDaniels would also be acceptable. As a last resort, Harris and Thybulle for Hayward and Oubre works financially.

How will that make sense for both of us? Tobias will get them some wins while Hayward and Tobias’ contract is a wash.

While Hayward is worse than Tobias, so he does not help us at all, specially playing with Tucker.

If they’re tanking.. maybe we just get Oubre for Korkmaz and Springer. Maybe Springer for DSJ (underratedly playing well).

Semi-related. If you notice, we just keep finding scape goats for our loss. Whether its Tobi, Doc, Harrell or Tucker. On our previous game against the Wolves, it’s Tucker who’s turn is it to be the scape goat. Hell, we reached to a point talking about his lack of scoring. This is PJ Tucker. If you are expecting him for scoring, then you are looking at the wrong person. This is one of the reasons why Ben Simmons never improved. We shielded him with Brett or Tobi or Colangelo from criticisms. This ain’t the Tobias Harris or PJ Tucker Victory Parade.

With the way Tobi is playing it’s easy to find trade partners for him. The issue is, will we be a better team with what we get in return?

Personally, I dont mind getting Jaden McDaniels or John Collins.

[youngcrev]

Grizz is the modern day Spurs. Konchar is another good find for them.

Funny, I was just coming here to post about them being incredible at finding guys, but about a different player. Santi Aldama seems interesting. Tall forward that is creating turnovers defensively and looks reasonable skilled offensively for his size.

[76ciology]

Grizz is the modern day Spurs. Konchar is another good find for them.

Funny, I was just coming here to post about them being incredible at finding guys, but about a different player. Santi Aldama seems interesting. Tall forward that is creating turnovers defensively and looks reasonable skilled offensively for his size.

They also have Tillman and Clarke too. Roddy (guy we traded for Melton) and Laravia also can be good 2 way wings in the future. They surrounded a lot of young two way players (JJJ, and mentioned Aldama and Konchar) around Bane and Morant that, like the Spurs, they can stay as contenders for a long time.

[Negrodamus]

I still think Fox and Embiid would have been an excellent duo, but Maxey really screws with that dynamic.

Haliburton is a much better fit than Fox. Better shooter. Better defender. All around better player. And I'm a UK guy.

It's only a good fit because Maxey has panned out. DeAaron Fox is going to finish the season a more impactful player than Haliburton. He's going nuts right now.

[youngcrev]

Grizz is the modern day Spurs. Konchar is another good find for them.

Funny, I was just coming here to post about them being incredible at finding guys, but about a different player. Santi Aldama seems interesting. Tall forward that is creating turnovers defensively and looks reasonable skilled offensively for his size.

They also have Tillman and Clarke too. Roddy (guy we traded for Melton) and Laravia also can be good 2 way wings in the future. They surrounded a lot of young two way players (JJJ, and mentioned Aldama and Konchar) around Bane and Morant that, like the Spurs, they can stay as contenders for a long time.

Yup. They've crushed the 20-45 range in the draft and presumably have a really strong development team there. Don't know that all those guys will work out, but I'm sure they'll get something out of them. And obviously Bane was one they hit out of the park. As someone that doesn't watch a ton of college ball but reads a lot predaft stuff and watches some videos on guys, I was surprised to see a guy that looks like that physically with that shooting ability being seen as a late pick.

[youngcrev]

I still think Fox and Embiid would have been an excellent duo, but Maxey really screws with that dynamic.

Haliburton is a much better fit than Fox. Better shooter. Better defender. All around better player. And I'm a UK guy.

It's only a good fit because Maxey has panned out. DeAaron Fox is going to finish the season a more impactful player than Haliburton. He's going nuts right now.

Yeah, he's killing it right now. It's kinda funny how Haliburton has become one of the league darlings but Fox is yesterday's news.

The Kings get trashed for that trade, but their offense has been elite so far this year. Sabonis is probably the 2nd best passing big in the league, they've got a lot of shooting on the wing, and Fox is putting a ton of pressure on defenses.

I don't love their upside as a team because they can't defend, but they certainly fit 1000x better after the moves they made (adding Huerter and Murray are also pretty big factors).

[the_process]

For who? Miles bridges?

Hayward plus something. Preferably Washington, but McDaniels would also be acceptable. As a last resort, Harris and Thybulle for Hayward and Oubre works financially.

How will that make sense for both of us? Tobias will get them some wins while Hayward and Tobias’ contract is a wash.

While Hayward is worse than Tobias, so he does not help us at all, specially playing with Tucker.

If they’re tanking.. maybe we just get Oubre for Korkmaz and Springer. Maybe Springer for DSJ (underratedly playing well).

Semi-related. If you notice, we just keep finding scape goats for our loss. Whether its Tobi, Doc, Harrell or Tucker. On our previous game against the Wolves, it’s Tucker who’s turn is it to be the scape goat. Hell, we reached to a point talking about his lack of scoring. This is PJ Tucker. If you are expecting him for scoring, then you are looking at the wrong person. This is one of the reasons why Ben Simmons never improved. We shielded him with Brett or Tobi or Colangelo from criticisms. This ain’t the Tobias Harris or PJ Tucker Victory Parade.

With the way Tobi is playing it’s easy to find trade partners for him. The issue is, will we be a better team with what we get in return?

Personally, I dont mind getting Jaden McDaniels or John Collins.

The concept of ending up with cap space after a Tobias trade needs to be erased from existence. That is not a thing. There will not be cap space in any meaningful amount even if they dump Tobi and take back nothing in return.

Tobias is fools gold, and we have 5 years or so of evidence to back that conclusion up. Dude's best game is as the 1st option on an overachieving .500 team that wins the 7-8 game of the play-in tournament and then gets gentlemen's swept in the 1st round.

The idea is not to "win" a Tobias trade. The idea is to break him up into more movable, hopefully more useful pieces.

[the_process]

Haliburton is a much better fit than Fox. Better shooter. Better defender. All around better player. And I'm a UK guy.

It's only a good fit because Maxey has panned out. DeAaron Fox is going to finish the season a more impactful player than Haliburton. He's going nuts right now.

Yeah, he's killing it right now. It's kinda funny how Haliburton has become one of the league darlings but Fox is yesterday's news.

The Kings get trashed for that trade, but their offense has been elite so far this year. Sabonis is probably the 2nd best passing big in the league, they've got a lot of shooting on the wing, and Fox is putting a ton of pressure on defenses.

I don't love their upside as a team because they can't defend, but they certainly fit 1000x better after the moves they made (adding Huerter and Murray are also pretty big factors).

Everyone could see the low ceiling on the resulting team after the deal, just like they could when the Bulls dealt for Vucevic. And it's for the same reason.

However for Sacto, they seem to be emulating Denver to some extent, so they are exciting. Doesn't hurt that the Murray pick has panned out so far as well. That will suffice for now since they have been irrelevant for 20 years.

[Murray_17]

It's only a good fit because Maxey has panned out. DeAaron Fox is going to finish the season a more impactful player than Haliburton. He's going nuts right now.

Mmmm i seriously have doubts about it.

He's gonna go as far as his 3% goes, he's shooting lights out right now but on a 15 games sample that could easily be just a hot stretch, Aaron Gordon shot about 40% for 20 games and everyone was going crazy too.

He's clearly shooting above his head right now, 40% on 5 attempts while his career numbers are 33% on 3.6 attempts.

Haliburton is also a better playmaker, Shooter and defender than him so is difficult to say Fox is gonna have a bigger impact.

Yeah, he's killing it right now. It's kinda funny how Haliburton has become one of the league darlings but Fox is yesterday's news.

The Kings get trashed for that trade, but their offense has been elite so far this year. Sabonis is probably the 2nd best passing big in the league, they've got a lot of shooting on the wing, and Fox is putting a ton of pressure on defenses.

I don't love their upside as a team because they can't defend, but they certainly fit 1000x better after the moves they made (adding Huerter and Murray are also pretty big factors).

I mean, the main reason they cannot defend is precisely Sabonis.

I like their team but i don't think this is sustainable, Huerter is shooting Steph Curry unanimous MVP numbers and Fox is an elite 3 point shooter this season. That's too much dependence on extremely high variance for such a bad defense.

[Negrodamus]

It's only a good fit because Maxey has panned out. DeAaron Fox is going to finish the season a more impactful player than Haliburton. He's going nuts right now.

Mmmm i seriously have doubts about it.

He's gonna go as far as his 3% goes, he's shooting lights out right now but on a 15 games sample that could easily be just a hot stretch, Aaron Gordon shot about 40% for 20 games and everyone was going crazy too.

He's clearly shooting above his head right now, 40% on 5 attempts while his career numbers are 33% on 3.6 attempts.

Haliburton is also a better playmaker, Shooter and defender than him so is difficult to say Fox is gonna have a bigger impact.

If that's the case, then we need to factor in that Fox isn't getting to the line as much as he has earlier in his career. If anything, that should increase substantially as the year progresses since he's entering his prime.

If we're also going by the numbers, it's a little unfair to compare Haliburton to Fox, particularly as it relates to distribution. He's sharing the playmaking with Sabonis. Between the two, they are averaging 12 assists. No one else on the Pacers averages more than 3 assists (Hield is at like 2 apg).

If the chips are down and the team needs a bucket, I'm 10 out of 10 times choosing Fox.

[Murray_17]

If that's the case, then we need to factor in that Fox isn't getting to the line as much as he has earlier in his career. If anything, that should increase substantially as the year progresses since he's entering his prime.

His career average at the FT line is 3.9 points on 5.3 attempts and this year he's making 4.3 point on 5.1 attempts.

So, he's also going shooting better from the line which means his improvement from 3 could be real. And let's be real, a lot of his improvement at drawing FTs is also contingent on his 3 point shooting.

But even if you take his best FT year which is 5.2 point on 7.2 attempts per game that's just 0.9 points better than what he's doing this season.

His improvement on the 3 point shot however means a wooping 2.7 points improvement in his averages or, if you want, 3 times the effect of his best season in FTs attempted.

If we're also going by the numbers, it's a little unfair to compare Haliburton to Fox, particularly as it relates to distribution. He's sharing the playmaking with Sabonis. Between the two, they are averaging 12 assists. No one else on the Pacers averages more than 3 assists (Hield is at like 2 apg).

Haliburton was averaging more assists than Fox while they played together relative to the usage of both.

If the chips are down and the team needs a bucket, I'm 10 out of 10 times choosing Fox.

Which is fair.

I just don't think that's the measuring stick for "who is the most impactful player".

[76ciology]

I notice refs are calling illegal screens and carry violations a lot more this season

[76ciology]

Kessler 5 blocks and the half ain’t done yet. Pistons should have drafted this guy over Duren.

[DCasey91]

Joe just dropped 21, absolute clown show no doubt about it.

[76ciology]

Wolves and Sixers, sneakily improving.
Jazz, Hornets, Pistons and Magic, sneakily tanking.