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Re: Playoffs!? 

Post#1421 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:11 pm

Jokic absolutely has a temper problem. If I’m Miami, I’m trying to get him on tilt & hope he does some Draymond Green sh*t to get suspended for a game.
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Post#1422 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:13 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Jokic absolutely has a temper problem. If I’m Miami, I’m trying to get him on tilt & hope he does some Draymond Green sh*t to get suspended for a game.


Need a Dillon Brooks for that. Or a Georges Niang in our case.
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Post#1423 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:15 pm

Should be mentioned that Jokic had zero blocks and steals on the game. Offensive dynamo, but the other side of the ball will always get ignored when the superstar isn't up to snuff.
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Post#1424 » by phillynative » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:25 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:I was listening to Raja Bell’s podcast after game 1 & he talked about how the Suns defensive strategy was to make Kobe lose faith in his teammates. Let him get 40 or 50 but shut down the role players so that Kobe feels like he has to win by himself. Jokic is a very different personality but I’ll be curious how the Heat continue to defend him.


I didnt get to watch the game but I noticed he only had 4assists. Were they more concerned with covering the passing lanes or doubled less?
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Post#1425 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:42 pm

I wasn’t watching super closely but it definitely seemed like they were letting defenders play him 1v1 for large stretches. He was scoring but the offense definitely didn’t have the same flow to it. Poor Cody Zeller is like a human sacrifice out there.

I think Spo has found a couple puzzle pieces now to junk of their offense & force Jokic to defend in space. I’ll be curious to see game 3 adjustments from each squad.
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Post#1426 » by youngcrev » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:13 pm

This Heat run remains one the most inexplicable things I've ever seen in basketball.

And anyone that responds "culture" or "toughness" as though that's some tangible end all be all moreso than a talking point... enough already.
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Post#1427 » by Ferry Avenue » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:21 pm

youngcrev wrote:This Heat run remains one the most inexplicable things I've ever seen in basketball.

And anyone that responds "culture" or "toughness" as though that's some tangible end all be all moreso than a talking point... enough already.

If it wins you an NBA championship as an eight-seed, it's certainly an end all be all.
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Post#1428 » by FireMorey » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:23 pm

I had it on on the side while playing Zelda so I wasn't totally locked into the game, but what I saw the Heat just outhustled and outworked the Nuggets. They attacked closeouts aggressively, went after O rebounds aggressively were cutting off passing lanes. Denver seemed to sleep walk through the 4th quarter and were terrible defensively.

Miami's offense isn't great, Denver allowed them to get hot with so many open 3's.
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Post#1429 » by mjkvol » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:37 pm

phillynative wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:I was listening to Raja Bell’s podcast after game 1 & he talked about how the Suns defensive strategy was to make Kobe lose faith in his teammates. Let him get 40 or 50 but shut down the role players so that Kobe feels like he has to win by himself. Jokic is a very different personality but I’ll be curious how the Heat continue to defend him.


I didnt get to watch the game but I noticed he only had 4assists. Were they more concerned with covering the passing lanes or doubled less?


It looked to me like Spo decided to single guard Jokic and make him a scorer by focusing on cutters and running them off of 3's.

Jokic will get his 30-35, but his primary value is as a distributor, that's what makes that offense go. The Heat turned it into a slog last night, and that's not Denver's game.

It'll be interesting to see how Malone adjusts on Wednesday.
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Post#1430 » by youngcrev » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:40 pm

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youngcrev wrote:This Heat run remains one the most inexplicable things I've ever seen in basketball.

And anyone that responds "culture" or "toughness" as though that's some tangible end all be all moreso than a talking point... enough already.

If it wins you an NBA championship as an eight-seed, it's certainly an end all be all.


No, I mean it's an oversimplified, lazy explanation.
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Post#1431 » by Ferry Avenue » Mon Jun 5, 2023 6:10 pm

youngcrev wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
youngcrev wrote:This Heat run remains one the most inexplicable things I've ever seen in basketball.

And anyone that responds "culture" or "toughness" as though that's some tangible end all be all moreso than a talking point... enough already.

If it wins you an NBA championship as an eight-seed, it's certainly an end all be all.


No, I mean it's an oversimplified, lazy explanation.

Certainly it's difficult to explain and illustrate "culture" in such a way that it fully reflects its effect on team performance. It's about like trying to have the profoundly positive effect of a parent on his or her child represented by only the word "love." That would sound lazy and oversimplified as well, but it would be right on target. An abstract concept can represent a tremendous amount of human behavior.
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Post#1432 » by mjkvol » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:06 pm

youngcrev wrote:This Heat run remains one the most inexplicable things I've ever seen in basketball.


They have a group of role players who are either overachieving and will come back to earth next season, or they have reached a new level as players. One thing's for sure - they will all likely get paid after these postseason performances.
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Post#1433 » by youngcrev » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:08 pm

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youngcrev wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:If it wins you an NBA championship as an eight-seed, it's certainly an end all be all.


No, I mean it's an oversimplified, lazy explanation.

Certainly it's difficult to explain and illustrate "culture" in such a way that it fully reflects its effect on team performance. It's about like trying to have the profoundly positive effect of a parent on his or her child represented by only the word "love." That would sound lazy and oversimplified as well, but it would be right on target. An abstract concept can represent a tremendous amount of human behavior.


That certainly sounds like a lazy, oversimplified explanation of parenting to me, particularly if you can't extrapolate beyond that.

"Hey, your kid is so well behaved, is crushing it in school, and is just such a well rounded individual. What's your secret?"

"Love"

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Post#1434 » by Ferry Avenue » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:20 pm

youngcrev wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
No, I mean it's an oversimplified, lazy explanation.

Certainly it's difficult to explain and illustrate "culture" in such a way that it fully reflects its effect on team performance. It's about like trying to have the profoundly positive effect of a parent on his or her child represented by only the word "love." That would sound lazy and oversimplified as well, but it would be right on target. An abstract concept can represent a tremendous amount of human behavior.


That certainly sounds like a lazy, oversimplified explanation of parenting to me, particularly if you can't extrapolate beyond that.

"Hey, your kid is so well behaved, is crushing it in school, and is just such a well rounded individual. What's your secret?"

"Love"

"...cool, thanks for the tip..."

You just illustrated the point. Love translates to a whole host of things involved in raising a child that would be difficult to illustrate and explain in response to that question, just like the answer "culture" is difficult to illustrate and explain in response to the question "why do the Miami Heat keep beating teams that are better than them?" The plethora of things a parent does for a child wouldn't occur without love, and the plethora of things the Miami Heat do in beating more physically talented teams wouldn't occur without their culture. Nobody on a message board is going to take the time to explain and illustrate that however. A message board is a place for lazy and oversimplified-sounding explanations, not dissertations, but that doesn't mean those lazy and oversimplified-sounding explanations aren't correct.
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Post#1435 » by youngcrev » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:27 pm

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youngcrev wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:Certainly it's difficult to explain and illustrate "culture" in such a way that it fully reflects its effect on team performance. It's about like trying to have the profoundly positive effect of a parent on his or her child represented by only the word "love." That would sound lazy and oversimplified as well, but it would be right on target. An abstract concept can represent a tremendous amount of human behavior.


That certainly sounds like a lazy, oversimplified explanation of parenting to me, particularly if you can't extrapolate beyond that.

"Hey, your kid is so well behaved, is crushing it in school, and is just such a well rounded individual. What's your secret?"

"Love"

"...cool, thanks for the tip..."

You just illustrated the point. Love translates to a whole host of things involved in raising a child that would be difficult to illustrate and explain in response to that question, just like the answer "culture" is difficult to illustrate and explain in response to the question "why do the Miami Heat keep beating teams that are better than them?" The plethora of things a parent does for a child wouldn't occur without love, and the plethora of things the Miami Heat do in beating better teams wouldn't occur without their culture. Nobody on a message board however is going to take the time to explain and illustrate that however. A message board is a place for lazy and oversimplified-sounding explanations, not dissertations, but that doesn't mean those lazy and oversimplified-sounding explanations aren't correct.


I mean... I feel like this is exactly the type of place where people do go into great detail on that? Realgm was founded on that type of stuff. But at least you agree that it is a lazy and oversimplified explanation I guess?

I think the big difference between the people giving the lazy explanation and the people in your example is that a parent actually can go into greater detail.
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Post#1436 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:39 pm

However, people on a message board will post a slightly reworded version of the same talking point 5000 times.
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Post#1437 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:40 pm

I wish the role players on our team got this hot. 48% from three? And our guys were consistently wide open all Celtics series because they were only focusing on Embiid, Harden and Maxey.
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Post#1438 » by Ferry Avenue » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:45 pm

youngcrev wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
That certainly sounds like a lazy, oversimplified explanation of parenting to me, particularly if you can't extrapolate beyond that.

"Hey, your kid is so well behaved, is crushing it in school, and is just such a well rounded individual. What's your secret?"

"Love"

"...cool, thanks for the tip..."

You just illustrated the point. Love translates to a whole host of things involved in raising a child that would be difficult to illustrate and explain in response to that question, just like the answer "culture" is difficult to illustrate and explain in response to the question "why do the Miami Heat keep beating teams that are better than them?" The plethora of things a parent does for a child wouldn't occur without love, and the plethora of things the Miami Heat do in beating better teams wouldn't occur without their culture. Nobody on a message board however is going to take the time to explain and illustrate that however. A message board is a place for lazy and oversimplified-sounding explanations, not dissertations, but that doesn't mean those lazy and oversimplified-sounding explanations aren't correct.


I mean... I feel like this is exactly the type of place where people do go into great detail on that? Realgm was founded on that type of stuff. But at least you agree that it is a lazy and oversimplified explanation I guess?

I think the big difference between the people giving the lazy explanation and the people in your example is that a parent actually can go into greater detail.

It can definitely be a lazy and oversimplified explanation, but not necessarily an inaccurate one.

See here for example:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/glennllopis/2019/02/06/the-new-england-patriots-the-mastery-of-teamwork-in-a-climate-of-constant-change/?sh=6b5e1f5112a9

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/kevin-faulk-patriots-way

Anytime you see an organization doing the highly improbable over a sustained period -- whether it be the Patriots accomplishing very high-level success for two decades in a league driven by parity among teams, or the Miami Heat beating more physically talented teams one after the other -- there are non-physical factors strongly at work. None of us is as privy to those as we are to watching the purely physical game unfold in front of us on TV, but you simply have to go there in fully explaining what you're seeing. Physical explanations alone won't do it sufficiently.
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Post#1439 » by DCasey91 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 8:13 pm

Spo is the best coach in the NBA right now but that ain’t much of discussion.

Mentioned on the main board starting Love and it definitely worked. There were naysayers saying Love is a liability la la la still don’t get basketball.

Love keeps Gordon/Jokic honest in spreading the floor with size and obviously being a fantastic rebounder so it Gives Heat a +1 with Bam on the boards.

It’s funny in theory the zone is a big no no against Jokic but so far the zone has caused major issues because it’s kind of like watching the Mavs when Luka doesn’t have the ball the other 4 go into panic mode.

Still got the Nuggets in 5/6 due to variance of shooting but these two teams aren’t that far apart.

Spo adjusted brilliantly letting Jokic score and starting Love and implementing hard zone

I don’t think Malone is up to that level yet imho.
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Post#1440 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Jun 5, 2023 8:13 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I wish the role players on our team got this hot. 48% from three? And our guys were consistently wide open all Celtics series because they were only focusing on Embiid, Harden and Maxey.


The role players on this team have gotten this hot....In the regular season...Against the Detroit Pistons.

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