Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[the_process]

The Knicks trove of FRP's is rather overrated. If Jojo was going anywhere, OKC would be the first place to call.

Why would OKC want Jojo? Presti knows its hard to win with him. And they honestly dont need someone taking shots away from SGA and Holmgren.

We need some emotional gullible franchise like the Knicks. Or maybe the Jazz or the Pelicans

OKC with SGA and Embiid vaults to the top of the West.

Chet, Jalen W, salary filler (presumably Bertans), 4-5 1sts. Get it done.

[76ciology]

The Knicks trove of FRP's is rather overrated. If Jojo was going anywhere, OKC would be the first place to call.

Why would OKC want Jojo? Presti knows its hard to win with him. And they honestly dont need someone taking shots away from SGA and Holmgren.

We need some emotional gullible franchise like the Knicks. Or maybe the Jazz or the Pelicans

OKC with SGA and Embiid vaults to the top of the West.

Chet, Jalen W, salary filler (presumably Bertans), 4-5 1sts. Get it done.

Chet is just 21 years old. Chet has a chance to be as good as Jojo. A far more advanced player than Jojo at 21. Chet also is a better fit than SGA. No way OKC adds Jalen and those picks. Maybe OKC offer Chet and a pick at the most. But if you look at OKC, they’re not a franchise who tries to speed up things. They’re looking to being at the top for a long time.

Im just saying this not to offend anyone and to keep expectations real.

[76ciology]

Chet has a good chance to be better than Embiid. Even Chet’s college numbers is better than Embiid.

Chet also does not have as much health concerns. And given the data you have on Biid, you’d better off rolling the dice with Chet.

[76ciology]

I like Javonte Smart. A big upgrade over Milton

[the_process]

Why would OKC want Jojo? Presti knows its hard to win with him. And they honestly dont need someone taking shots away from SGA and Holmgren.

We need some emotional gullible franchise like the Knicks. Or maybe the Jazz or the Pelicans

OKC with SGA and Embiid vaults to the top of the West.

Chet, Jalen W, salary filler (presumably Bertans), 4-5 1sts. Get it done.

Chet is just 21 years old. Chet has a chance to be as good as Jojo. A far more advanced player than Jojo at 21. Chet also is a better fit than SGA. No way OKC adds Jalen and those picks. Maybe OKC offer Chet and a pick at the most. But if you look at OKC, they’re not a franchise who tries to speed up things. They’re looking to being at the top for a long time.

Im just saying this not to offend anyone and to keep expectations real.

Chet is still an idea. Jo is the MVP.

And Presti sent a ton of young talent to get PG once upon a time.

[M2J]

I think Joel believes in this team. Maxey is your second star unless proven otherwise. Tobi is a proven weapon. Oubre off the bench.

Their ceiling is just as high without Harden as it is with him because he'll never play optimally. It's just going to look differently, better defense and more ball movement and faster paced.

The Knicks are definitely not a fit for Joel. They'll be in the same space or worse than the current Sixers. I'd say worse. The picks are the best shot the Knicks have at getting better a trade is going to remove at least one of their stars and clean out their picks. The Sixers have Maxey on a rookie deal and have the flexibility to recruit and build a better roster next season.

Knicks will do it for profit. Same thing they did for Melo. If you look at their rosters, they are full of MID players. Brunson is not a top tier star who struggle against euro players in FIBA.

Oh I wholeheartedly believe that the Knicks would do it. Of course they would, any team should. I think Joel has say in that too though. Doesn't make sense to make a lateral move at best.

[76ciology]

OKC with SGA and Embiid vaults to the top of the West.

Chet, Jalen W, salary filler (presumably Bertans), 4-5 1sts. Get it done.

Chet is just 21 years old. Chet has a chance to be as good as Jojo. A far more advanced player than Jojo at 21. Chet also is a better fit than SGA. No way OKC adds Jalen and those picks. Maybe OKC offer Chet and a pick at the most. But if you look at OKC, they’re not a franchise who tries to speed up things. They’re looking to being at the top for a long time.

Im just saying this not to offend anyone and to keep expectations real.

Chet is still an idea. Jo is the MVP.

And Presti sent a ton of young talent to get PG once upon a time.

Its because RW was in his last legs. If SGA is in his 30s and came off from an MVP season there has a small chance he’d do it.

[GoSixersBro]

Chet has a good chance to be better than Embiid. Even Chet’s college numbers is better than Embiid.

Chet also does not have as much health concerns. And given the data you have on Biid, you’d better off rolling the dice with Chet.

Zero chance.

[Iverson Armband]

Chet has a good chance to be better than Embiid. Even Chet’s college numbers is better than Embiid.

Chet also does not have as much health concerns. And given the data you have on Biid, you’d better off rolling the dice with Chet.

Zero chance.

Yeah, no shot Chet is ever better than Embiid. Now Wemby? That’s another story.

[mksp]

I doubt OKC breaks that team up. They're too young and fun.

I'd be furious as an OKC fan if they traded any meaningful assets for Joel.

[Mik317]

Chet legit just missed his rookie season

Wtf do you mean he doesn’t have injury conferns

[eyeatoma]

Chet has a good chance to be better than Embiid. Even Chet’s college numbers is better than Embiid.

Chet also does not have as much health concerns. And given the data you have on Biid, you’d better off rolling the dice with Chet.

Going to have to disagree there chief. So you basically think that Chet will be an MVP?

[Stanford]

Spicy, spicy!

[Mik317]

look I get that some are down on Biid right now

but some are going too far with it.

Team has averaged 50 wins with him basically since he started to play for us. he has had 3 top 2 mvp finishes. And while yes he struggles in the playoffs...he still positively impacts the game thanks to his defense alone. I think many take for granted how difficult it is to win in the NBA in general. We spent most of the 00's languishing around 38-42 wins max with the hope of winning ONE game in the playoffs.

Biid HAS to be better. And yes it may be too late for us or him...and I like Chet a lot but lets not get too crazy here

[Stanford]

Are we sure Chet isn't better than Embiid now?

[Jailblazers7]

I think the conversation is possible because there’s such a large difference between regular season & playoff Embiid. Hard to imagine many players better in the regular season. Very easy to imagine better playoff players than him.

Chet’s trajectory to me is likely a “superstar role player” who is wildly valuable to a good team in the playoffs but you’d never expect him to carry a team to 50 wins like Embiid does consistently.

Is that a better player than Embiid? No.
Would you rather have that player next to SGA? Some will say yes & some will say no.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Chet Holmgren is better than Embiid? Let's go ahead and GTFOH with that NONSENSE.

[Stanford]

Chet Holmgren is better than Embiid? Let's go ahead and GTFOH with that NONSENSE.

Are you sure? Think about it.

[Jailblazers7]

I don’t think OKC makes any major moves anyway until they see what plays out in Dallas. There’s a lot of chatter about Embiid but I think a lot of teams are waiting on Luka to finally get fed up with the mismanagement in Dallas.

[Samson]

https://www.si.com/nba/2023/10/24/76ers-knicks-joel-embiid-trade-offer-report-news

Says that Leon Rose would do whatever basically it takes to get Embiid , basically "Randle, RJ Barret, Fournier, & Mitchell Robinson", a trio of that group in exchange for Embiid, 'paired with two or three first-round-picks'"

If they made it like those Harden-style trades - what did Brooklyn give up, was it 4 unprotected 1st-Round Picks & 4 Pick-Swaps? If NY did that , I'd consider it ... we're not unfortunately ever going to win with Embiid. We had a chance in 2019 when it was Simmons/Redick/Butler/Harris/Embiid ... and maybe we had a chance when Harden showed up and was at first super-energized to be a playmaker ... but it's basically over. We're not going to get anything close to a return on investment for Harden , and I hate to say it but since the last decade or so ...

-We drafted Nerlens Noel and basically gave him away. We drafted MCW and gave away for a pick that we basically wasted TWICE.

-We drafted Embiid after losing out on Winless-for-Wiggins and drafted Dario.

-We drafted a third C in Jahlil Okafor after losing out on KAT & Russell (both of whom would have been franchise-altering players ) and whom we basically gave away.

-We drafted Ben Simmons who never wanted to play for us, refused to consider any playing concept or position other than him being a 7ft not-physically-able-to-shoot PG. And who quit - literally refused to play - for us, thus necessity of trading him away, with additional assets including multiple 1st-Round Picks.

-We drafted Markelle Fultz , sacrificing significant assets / draft capital , to bring in another PG who suddenly was not physically able to shoot and no longer wanted to play for us, thus requiring us to give him away.

-We draft local star Mikal Bridges, only to humiliate him and his Mom and family by immediately trading him away, for a player who basically never played for us, we almost killed, and had to give away.

-We wind up trading for Matisse Thybulle, who becomes the league's premier wing defender, whom we then give away.

-We draft the steal-of-the-draft & future star Tyrese Maxey, whom Doc Rivers refuses to start after he shows star status & potential, and whom we're surely gonna wind up just giving away ...

-We draft former 5-Star & Top-20 Overall recruit Jaden Springer, whom we don't play, like at all, and whom we're surely gonna wind up just giving away ...

-We draft some dude that we promptly give away.

-We pretty much sit out the most recent draft because of giving everything away.


Now we have All-NBA Superstar C Joel Embiid, with significant salary and yet significant injury history and possible Popeye Syndrome ("This business has got out of control and it's All He Can Stands & Can't Stands No More!!!" ... We have a former All-NBA Superstar showing significant signs of regress and , incidentally, refuses to play for us and considers our GM to be his mortal enemy.... we have a hugely overpaid and disrespected Forward that could be the perfect compliment to a few stars of a Championship team but ain't gonna do anything on his own, a Star in the making Guard, and role players / pieces. No future draft picks, no salary relief, and very little chance to actually win a Championship.

So forgive me if I say, let's OKC it , trade Embiid to NYC for the Sun, Moon, & Stars and let him compete on the world's biggest market ... trade Harden for the highest package possible, start an immediate rebuild based on Maxey, with Springer a hopeful compliment and Tobias Harris the elder statesmen and veteran in the room for one year until his contract runs out, and start an aggressive rebuild next offseason, flush with salary cap space, draft assets, and smart planning. It sucks be we have to do it, the last decade has just been one of the most mismanaged pro-sports-stories in the history of The Big 4 pro sports in North America.