Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[eyeatoma]

So the Sixers did a thing and apparently it was really heartfelt.

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So happy for Maxey.

Also it looks like the black Iverson jerseys are returning, fawk yeah.

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[Ben]

Obviously upgrading a 4th starter would be ideal, but the Sixers primary issue is when Embiid sits they get destroyed. They need quality minutes when he's on the bench. Drummond is a big upgrade over what they had last year, but is it enough? They're almost there.

My main points were that, yes, we do need to upgrade another starter (in addition to Maxey, George, and Embiid), and that DFS does not represent that upgrade. It could come from someone already on this roster or it could come from another trade. But if DFS is envisioned as the end-game, the upgraded missing piece, then we're in some trouble.

[jstross]

I agree that he's not the type of starter that would move the needle at this point. I'd aim high if indeed we need another top 7 piece.

Obviously upgrading a 4th starter would be ideal, but the Sixers primary issue is when Embiid sits they get destroyed. They need quality minutes when he's on the bench. Drummond is a big upgrade over what they had last year, but is it enough? They're almost there.

My main points were that, yes, we do need to upgrade another starter (in addition to Maxey, George, and Embiid), and that DFS does not represent that upgrade. It could come from someone already on this roster or it could come from another trade. But if DFS is envisioned as the end-game, the upgraded missing piece, then we're in some trouble.

[Slacktard]

Maxey has improved so much as a player and elevated himself... But thus doesnt happen without his personality and reflects how much his teammates, coaches, and staff just really like him.

[76ciology]

Maxey has improved so much as a player and elevated himself... But thus doesnt happen without his personality and reflects how much his teammates, coaches, and staff just really like him.

Maxey is such a team player. He sacrificed a lot for us to build this team, something you don't see with other guys. Just imagine how much it would have disrupted us if Maxey had asked for an extension before the offseason, especially if he demanded a "Franz Wagner" type contract.

We were able to give the necessary overpaid, $50 million contract to Paul George to lure him away from free agency because Maxey decided to delay his extension to this offseason and is currently underpaid at $35 million.

[76ciology]

I agree that he's not the type of starter that would move the needle at this point. I'd aim high if indeed we need another top 7 piece.

Obviously upgrading a 4th starter would be ideal, but the Sixers primary issue is when Embiid sits they get destroyed. They need quality minutes when he's on the bench. Drummond is a big upgrade over what they had last year, but is it enough? They're almost there.

My main points were that, yes, we do need to upgrade another starter (in addition to Maxey, George, and Embiid), and that DFS does not represent that upgrade. It could come from someone already on this roster or it could come from another trade. But if DFS is envisioned as the end-game, the upgraded missing piece, then we're in some trouble.

I see DFS as more of an Al Horford, Andre Iguodala or GP2 type player who can create mismatches and disrupt lineups. For example, playing DFS at center with the rest of the starters would make the team more switchable, provide better spacing, and enhance their ability to push the pace.

Another key player is Eric Gordon, who enables the possibility of a three-guard lineup. A McCain-Maxey-Gordon trio could push the pace, provide excellent spacing, and still maintain decent defense.

Steve Kerr like to use these weird line-ups.

[jstross]

I do like the that we finally have wings where as the last few years we were short on them. Gives Nurse some flexibility.

I agree that he's not the type of starter that would move the needle at this point. I'd aim high if indeed we need another top 7 piece.

My main points were that, yes, we do need to upgrade another starter (in addition to Maxey, George, and Embiid), and that DFS does not represent that upgrade. It could come from someone already on this roster or it could come from another trade. But if DFS is envisioned as the end-game, the upgraded missing piece, then we're in some trouble.

I see DFS as more of an Al Horford, Andre Iguodala or GP2 type player who can create mismatches and disrupt lineups. For example, playing DFS at center with the rest of the starters would make the team more switchable, provide better spacing, and enhance their ability to push the pace.

Another key player is Eric Gordon, who enables the possibility of a three-guard lineup. A McCain-Maxey-Gordon trio could push the pace, provide excellent spacing, and still maintain decent defense.

Steve Kerr like to use these weird line-ups.

[Iscull]

That Maxey presentation was pure class. Awesome to see the the effort and thought put into it

[the_process]

That was extremely classy what they did for Tyrese. I agree it reflects just how much everyone in the organization likes him and respects him. And the kid absolutely deserves it.

[M2J]

I think $18M is definitely too high without moving someone else (at least McCain, possibly Oubre).

I expect Caleb Martin's Apron Salary to be about $9.3M this year, give or take a few hundred thousand. I believe all incentives, likely or not, are included in Apron Salary. Given reports of a max value of 4/40 for Martin, and assuming 5% annual increases with the incentives spread evenly, about $9.3M in the first year would be the expected amount.

In that case, adding Bona and 3 vet minimums to the already reported salaries would give $173.4M for 13 players, leaving about $15.5M below the 2nd apron.

If that's roughly the cutoff, then here's the list as of now (salaries per Hoopshype). Does not include rookie contract guys. Some can shoot, some can't. Some are remotely available, others aren't.

Deni Avdija
Dorian Finney-Smith
Naz Reid
Obi Toppin
Grant Williams
Bobby Portis
Brandon Clarke
Kelly Olynyk
Wendell Carter Jr.
Larry Nance Jr.
Maxi Kleber
Chris Boucher
Jarred Vanderbilt
Georges Niang
Kyle Anderson

I've mentioned before that I think going right up to the apron with 14 contracts is too aggressive. But I don't know enough of the nitty-gritty to know for sure.

I'd feel safe at around $11-11.5M for the 14th contract because that's two more minimum's worth of flexibility. But that would eliminate a lot of those options, unfortunately. Undoubtedly the team will have a much better grasp of exactly what they can pull off.

One guy that's well below those numbers that I'm curious about is Trey Lyles at $8M. Maybe not readily available right now if the Kings are trying to compete, though.

If they manage things right they can stay below the 2nd apron.

Any contender wants to be above the salary cap. Where Philly is right now if they don't balloon KJ. You need tradable contracts in order to possibly make yourself better, otherwise there is absolutely zero reason to keep the draft picks except of course drafting them and unlikely playing them during this window.

The only other way to go over the cap in the future will be if Oubre doesn't opt out next year, and then they can use another exception. Also of course drafting a player which they don't have a pick in 25.

Having one of the best teams in the NBA means higher revenue for your ticket prices and merchandise which brings in nearly 200 million every single game, and they WILL raise prices as they see fit. So saying a team is throwing away money for a player that they really do need is not true. Winning a good championship and having a good team, raises the valuation of the team potentially by billions.

In terms of the 2nd apron. They don't have to sign all veteran minimum players. The rookie minimum contract is less and they can utilize that if needed. It will be easier to do because the last real position of need would be filled (even though it already kinda is) then one more vet minimum on a guard back up like Kyle. Also a really good thing to have so much interchangeability within your key rotation... Maybe moves Oubre to the bench

[jstross]

I will say I trust Morey on this. I'm sure he has lawyers, Actuaries... working on all scenarios.

[the_process]

I like the unis they have now, and never liked the Iverson-era jerseys.

Use it as an alternate occasionally, fine.

[Kolkmania]

We'll definitely need to sign a back-up PG and a big wing/PF on minimum deals. Lowry and Morris the most likely options? Hoping that there's one more quality signing in the pipeline for a player that prefers a one-year deal for a contender to proof himself. Similar to Oubre last year.

Perhaps Cedi Osman, now that Harrison Barnes is traded to the Spurs?

[mjkvol]

I like the unis they have now, and never liked the Iverson-era jerseys.

Use it as an alternate occasionally, fine.

Agree. The '60's and '80's era championship jerseys are the best unis in the league. The Iverson jerseys represent what was a fun few seasons, but in and of themselves are brutal. Fine as alternates, as most of those have been pretty weak, and these jerseys mean a lot to younger fans.

[Sixersftw]

This team is cooking so hard this Summer. Those jerseys should never be our main jerseys but, as an alt? Especially for what should be a good team... Fantastic. Morey is about to **** my wallet up.

[Arsenal]

He's "The Franchise" because he literally saved the franchise after years of incompetence almost buried The Process.

Well deserved and I hope Tyrese is here for his entire career. He's a joy to watch and apparently just as good behind the scenes.

We're lucky to have him.

[76ciology]

This team is cooking so hard this Summer. Those jerseys should never be our main jerseys but, as an alt? Especially for what should be a good team... Fantastic. Morey is about to **** my wallet up.

Next, we need Malik Rose and Marc Zumoff back! At the very least, let's bring Tom McGinnis and Marc Jackson! That will drive away the bad luck on our team.

[Arsenal]

I like the unis they have now, and never liked the Iverson-era jerseys.

Use it as an alternate occasionally, fine.

Agree. The '60's and '80's era championship jerseys are the best unis in the league. The Iverson jerseys represent what was a fun few seasons, but in and of themselves are brutal. Fine as alternates, as most of those have been pretty weak, and these jerseys mean a lot to younger fans.

Yeah this. Never was a fan of the Iverson era jerseys or branding, but for younger fans that was their first exposure to the team so I get it.

Fine with them as an occasional alternate, but don't mess with our current branding which is top-notch.

[Iscull]

This team is cooking so hard this Summer. Those jerseys should never be our main jerseys but, as an alt? Especially for what should be a good team... Fantastic. Morey is about to **** my wallet up.

Next, we need Malik Rose and Marc Zumoff back! At the very least, let's bring Tom McGinnis and Marc Jackson! That will drive away the bad luck on our team.

I really miss Zumoff - great voice and personality

[76ciology]

Knicks released Charlie Brown Jr. last 6/30