Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

Det the Threat · Post #1441 » by **Det the Threat** » Sat May 28, 2011 9:48 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:If Aminu is part of the deal involving Kaman for Iguodala i'm down all day on that one. I personally think Aminu (with the right work ethic) can become a lock down defender at the 3/4 position with the ability to defend some guards as well. That alone is a good enough addition along with Kaman, however Aminu has got some potential offensively as well. I expect his outside shooting (mainly from beyond the arc) to drastically improve over the next couple of years the way Dorrell Wrights has. In his rookie year Aminu hit 45-143 (31%) from three. If he improves he could be used the same way San Antonio use to implement Bruce Bowen into their scheme.
With Kaman we get a solid big man for a year and see what happens. Meanwhile Aminu can be yet another injection of youth to our already young team.

Aminu's one of the hardest working guys you'll find and he's already back in the Clippers gym, together with Griffin, Warren, Bledsoe and some other guys.
http://www.nba.com/clippers/video/2011/ ... ov-1710914

His bad shooting he showed during summer league last year was because of him staying in the gym till after midnight during summer league to work on his shooting.
He actually started out pretty well shooting the ball(over 40% from 3point range) but couldn't find it anymore once he hit the rookie wall.

Though, looking at it from the Clippers point of view, I'd like for us to get a big back, if we do deal Kaman, as we'd need some guys to back up Griffin and Jordan.
I also can't see us including a first rounder, thanks to taking on all that money and with us not having a first rounder this year and only having that Minny first next year guaranteed, thanks to that Bledsoe deal which sent a protected first to Boston via OKC.

So maybe something like this could be possible.

Kaman, Aminu for Iggy, Speights
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5891522

PH1LLYSFINEST13 · Post #1442 » by **PH1LLYSFINEST13** » Sat May 28, 2011 1:11 pm

^ I can see that not only being a realistic trade both teams would do but I kinda like it the more I think about it. Im all for it.

Kobblehead · Post #1443 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 28, 2011 1:35 pm

Add a lottery protected first rounder and keep Aminu. That dude is a journeyman in the making.

freshie2 · Post #1444 » by **freshie2** » Sat May 28, 2011 1:57 pm

I could live with that deal, and again basing that on the potential upside of Aminu (which I believe is at worst the journeyman level). A lottery protected pick is more likely to be a journeyman player than Aminu at this point...Speights/Iguodala for Kaman/Aminu is nice deal for both teams, and pulls the Clippers out of the lottery.

freshie2 · Post #1445 » by **freshie2** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:01 pm

adz wrote:How about Iguodala + Speights for Oden + Batum ?

Portland inquired about Marreese at the deadline, if I recall. Given the emergence of Aldridge as a bona fide All-Star inside combined with Oden's injury problems, I would think that the Blazers might be willing to do this deal.

Like some have mentioned here, I love Batum's athleticism, length, & upside as a lock-down versatile defender, shooter, & finisher on the break. This kid can guard 3 positions right now, and possibly PF as well down the road when he fills out completely and adds muscle.

Oden's talent & impact is fairly obvious, assuming he stays healthy. He's exactly what the Sixers need at this point.

Curious to hear your thoughts...

Wouldn't hang up the phone...getting a long SF like Batum or Aminu in the Clippers deal is equally as important as getting a big man that can contribute. Adding length at the 3 with another big will help the Sixers in the playoffs when defense and rebounding is crucial for success.

Kobblehead · Post #1446 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 28, 2011 2:38 pm

I dunno, I don't even see much of an upside to Aminu. He's always going to be a black hole offensively and never be able to shoot the ball. His inability to shoot and lack of any range whatsoever diminishes his ability to ever play the 3 fulltime. So what you're looking at BEST CASE SCENARIO is a Thad Young hyrbid 4 type of player with outstanding athleticism and open floor ability. And Thad was already a much more efficient player at the same age.

I truly believe Aminu is a journeyman in this league.

SJSF · Post #1447 » by **SJSF** » Sat May 28, 2011 5:03 pm

Again we are back to Kaman for Iggy straight up. Aminu is a lesser version of Thad. If we can sign Thad to a reasonable contract there is no need for Aminu. But that Batum and Oden for Iggy and Speights i am all over that like a cheap suit. I would take Batum for Iggy straight up. But to ad the potential of Oden for Speights, is just mind blowing that a team would do that. Portland though won't trade Oden i don't believe. That is probablly on their mind all the time what to do with him,

ProcessDoctor · Post #1448 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat May 28, 2011 6:48 pm

Definitely all over the Batum/Oden deal. I would even throw in our pick to make it work. Oden won't cost as much money as Iggy and Batum is a perfect perfect fit for what this team needs at the 3.

Holiday/Williams
Turner/Meeks
Batum
Brand/Young
Oden/Hawes

Gimme that.

SouthJersey · Post #1449 » by **SouthJersey** » Sat May 28, 2011 8:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote: So what you're looking at BEST CASE SCENARIO is a Thad Young hyrbid 4 type of player with outstanding athleticism and open floor ability. And Thad was already a much more efficient player at the same age.

Not sure I agree with this. Thad's defense was never considered his bread and butter.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1450 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sat May 28, 2011 10:07 pm

I like either deal.

PH1LLYSFINEST13 · Post #1451 » by **PH1LLYSFINEST13** » Sun May 29, 2011 12:46 pm

I hesitate to jump on that Oden-Batum trade for 1 reason....ODEN. He has only played 82 games his entire career and he is going into his 4th season now. I like both players dont get me wrong , I jus dont know if our FO is going to take a risk on a good player , but one that doesnt play much.

76ciology · Post #1452 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 29, 2011 1:38 pm

PH1LLYSFINEST13 wrote:I hesitate to jump on that Oden-Batum trade for 1 reason....ODEN. He has only played 82 games his entire career and he is going into his 4th season now. I like both players dont get me wrong , I jus dont know if our FO is going to take a risk on a good player , but one that doesnt play much.

Got to take risk. If he's healthy, PTB won't trade him for Iggy even with a first round pick.

76ciology · Post #1453 » by **76ciology** » Sun May 29, 2011 1:39 pm

I'd definitely do both(PTB and LAC) deals.

SouthJersey · Post #1454 » by **SouthJersey** » Sun May 29, 2011 2:05 pm

I second that. Sixers could not turn down Batum and Oden for Iggy. Even if Oden is damaged, Batum by himself is close to fair value for Iggy

PH1LLYSFINEST13 · Post #1455 » by **PH1LLYSFINEST13** » Sun May 29, 2011 5:29 pm

SouthJersey wrote:I second that. Sixers could not turn down Batum and Oden for Iggy. Even if Oden is damaged, Batum by himself is close to fair value for Iggy

Gotta disagree with you on the part in Bold. I mean , i know Batum is a better outside shooter than Iguodala but I prolly would not trade Iguodala for Batum. Batum avg 12.4 pts 4.5 rebs and 1.5ast this year. Iguodala avg 15.8pts 5.8reb and 6.3 assist this year. I know batum fits the role better but POR would have to give up more than just Batum for me to say " oh that was a good trade". I know batum is a good defender , but Iguodala is probably better in that aspect as well. I am in agreement for trading Iguodala , I just dont know if I would do it for Batum and a guy who is pretty much broken down already.

luqboiler1 · Post #1456 » by **luqboiler1** » Sun May 29, 2011 5:46 pm

PH1LLYSFINEST13 wrote:
SouthJersey wrote:I second that. Sixers could not turn down Batum and Oden for Iggy. Even if Oden is damaged, Batum by himself is close to fair value for Iggy

Gotta disagree with you on the part in Bold. I mean , i know Batum is a better outside shooter than Iguodala but I prolly would not trade Iguodala for Batum. Batum avg 12.4 pts 4.5 rebs and 1.5ast this year. Iguodala avg 15.8pts 5.8reb and 6.3 assist this year. I know batum fits the role better but POR would have to give up more than just Batum for me to say " oh that was a good trade". I know batum is a good defender , but Iguodala is probably better in that aspect as well. I am in agreement for trading Iguodala , I just dont know if I would do it for Batum and a guy who is pretty much broken down already.

Iggy scored 14.1ppg this season, and Batums %s are higher across the board. fg, 3pt and ft.

SouthJersey · Post #1457 » by **SouthJersey** » Sun May 29, 2011 6:39 pm

I think Batum's value is close, especially when you add in the advantages of Batum (younger, cheaper, bigger)

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1458 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sun May 29, 2011 6:45 pm

If Portland did that trade with us i'd be more than happy about it.

Post #1459 » by **Sixerscan** » Sun May 29, 2011 9:13 pm

1. Aminu isn't a throw in. A second round pick is a throw in.

2. Oden is a free agent. You can't trade a free agent with another player.

3. If we trade Iguodala for Batum or Chris Kaman or anyone but a borderline all star we will lose 50 games next year.

SJSF · Post #1460 » by **SJSF** » Sun May 29, 2011 9:20 pm

Sixerscan wrote:1. Aminu isn't a throw in. A second round pick is a throw in.

2. Oden is a free agent. You can't trade a free agent with another player.

3. If we trade Iguodala for Batum or Chris Kaman or anyone but a borderline all star we will lose 50 games next year.

well we went 27-55 last year. And that was with him. This team does well because of Collins not because of what Iggy does.

Iggy has to go for this team to get better. IF we had a Batum and maybe a young big that can defend the paint. This team would win more then 41 games.