SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Mike Louch]

Well I am going to back Turner until the team moves on from him. I think he can and will develope into a fine player. Despite what some say I think the playoffs did him a lot of good. He has a passion for the game that would be sorely missed if we moved him. Turner is an intense player on the floor and that already is the making of a quality player. However he has a lot of talent to go with that intensity, an donce he is able to channel the two together mentally he's going to be a great player. I will continue to root for him and back him all the way while he's on this team. I think he's a big part of where this team is going in the not so distant future.

My thoughts exactly. If/when Turner puts it all together he'll be a star in this league. I mean the kid has only played one full season and a shortened season in his career, and he spent the majority of it coming off the bench playing out of position. Give the dude a chance to succeed my God. Just like Philly fans to be impatient with a young player. I don't get the Turner hate by some of you so-called fans (Sixerscan). He has the fiery competitive edge in his game and he has the tools, let him put it all together first.

Maybe its the Iguodala stans who hate ET. Iggy had his shot to carry this team for YEARS and he failed. Get over it and stop comparing the two. They're different players who do different things.

[cksdayoff]

My thoughts exactly. If/when Turner puts it all together he'll be a star in this league. I mean the kid has only played one full season and a shortened season in his career, and he spent the majority of it coming off the bench playing out of position. Give the dude a chance to succeed my God. Just like Philly fans to be impatient with a young player. I don't get the Turner hate by some of you so-called fans (Sixerscan). He has the fiery competitive edge in his game and he has the tools, let him put it all together first.

Maybe its the Iguodala stans who hate ET. Iggy had his shot to carry this team for YEARS and he failed. Get over it and stop comparing the two. They're different players who do different things.

+1

[Sixerscan]

He cant shoot and isn't especially long strong or athletic. What are the tools he possesses inherent in nba stars?

You guys see what you want to see and do nothing but make excuses. It's not happening.

I would love to get behind turner, if only he gave me something over an extended period of time to get behind.

I'm consistent, if guys perform well I give them props. If they don't I don't. I root for laundry not players. Turner hasn't played well, even when he got extended run the last 41 games of the year and was allowed to shoot way more than he should have. At this point he's played 3500 regular season + 500 playoff minutes and no matter what role he's in, we get out scored when he's on the court. Starting to not be a coincidence. The longer we make excuses for him the longer before we properly assess what we have, the worst shape we will be in.

[Do the Jrue]

I think you guys think Turner has this once in a lifetime "fiery edge" mostly because everyone else on the team is as laid back and chill as can be. Elton Brand had that energy sometimes but half the time he was about to die out there so he wasn't the best choice for that role. Jrue better wake up and start being consistent out there and have a more leadership role, and whoever we draft/sign/trade for better have some "fiery edge" to them too. It's a miracle that we made it as far as we did with the way we "competed" out there most of the time. Iguodala always looked like he could fall asleep on the court any second, in between him making some stupid ass random faces.

[Chamberlainship]

At this point he's played 3500 regular season + 500 playoff minutes and no matter what role he's in, we get out scored when he's on the court. Starting to not be a coincidence.[/quote]

Ouch. Didn't realize that.

He seemed to progress last year. I remember that Sunday afternoon Knicks game when D'antoni was fighting for his job where ET looked great.

Do you think some other team is going to give us a lot for him with all his flaws?

[Sixerscan]

Well now that I look at that again, that was worded improperly. We outscored people with him on the court this year, just significantly less so than when he was out (per 48 +1.6 when in compared to +7.3 when out.) During the playoffs both years and regular season last year we were outscored with him on the floor. Regardless he was the worst in that category during the playoffs this year, the regular season this year, and was .1 better than of Hawes last year. Like I said, each of those taken independently are a lot of white noise. Together though we can start to draw conclusions.

Obviously he still has a shot to be good. 24 is still young. But in my opinion that has like a 3% chance of happening. I'd rather act now and trade him while people still think he will realize his potential then wait a year and have that candle potentially burnt out. I don't know if you can get a lot, but I think you can get a solid player in return.

Maybe I'm being overly aggressive, but if he plays next year like he did the last 41 games of this year, and he only has one more year on his rookie deal at nearly $7 million then he's a free agent, there aren't going to be a lot of takers. I'd rather go for it now and risk him pulling a miracle on another team. If he burns us, then good for him.

[HartfordWhalers]

Well now that I look at that again, that was worded improperly. We outscored people with him on the court this year, just significantly less so than when he was out (per 48 +1.6 when in compared to +7.3 when out.) During the playoffs both years and regular season last year we were outscored with him on the floor. Regardless he was the worst in that category during the playoffs this year, the regular season this year, and was .1 better than of Hawes last year. Like I said, each of those taken independently are a lot of white noise. Together though we can start to draw conclusions.

Obviously he still has a shot to be good. 24 is still young. But in my opinion that has like a 3% chance of happening. I'd rather act now and trade him while people still think he will realize his potential then wait a year and have that candle potentially burnt out. I don't know if you can get a lot, but I think you can get a solid player in return.

Maybe I'm being overly aggressive, but if he plays next year like he did the last 41 games of this year, and he only has one more year on his rookie deal at nearly $7 million then he's a free agent, there aren't going to be a lot of takers. I'd rather go for it now and risk him pulling a miracle on another team. If he burns us, then good for him.

Does Philly really need a solid player more then a chance at a miracle?

[JordanMars]

where is sixerfan1976 at??? 10 days till draft!

[Sixerscan]

Well now that I look at that again, that was worded improperly. We outscored people with him on the court this year, just significantly less so than when he was out (per 48 +1.6 when in compared to +7.3 when out.) During the playoffs both years and regular season last year we were outscored with him on the floor. Regardless he was the worst in that category during the playoffs this year, the regular season this year, and was .1 better than of Hawes last year. Like I said, each of those taken independently are a lot of white noise. Together though we can start to draw conclusions.

Obviously he still has a shot to be good. 24 is still young. But in my opinion that has like a 3% chance of happening. I'd rather act now and trade him while people still think he will realize his potential then wait a year and have that candle potentially burnt out. I don't know if you can get a lot, but I think you can get a solid player in return.

Maybe I'm being overly aggressive, but if he plays next year like he did the last 41 games of this year, and he only has one more year on his rookie deal at nearly $7 million then he's a free agent, there aren't going to be a lot of takers. I'd rather go for it now and risk him pulling a miracle on another team. If he burns us, then good for him.

Does Philly really need a solid player more then a chance at a miracle?

I don't really see banking on miracles as a good long term business plan no.

Go for it next year with Rose out celtics leaving and Howard wishy washy. Heck we don't know if rose will ever be the same. Don't commit to anyone longer than 2 years. After that if you want to retreat and rebuild. Get another lottery pick and don't screw it up this time.

[Sixerscan]

Whatever that probably isn't going to happen. Alright I'm done, I'm sure I will talk myself into Turner again by September.

[Ming]

Does Philly really need a solid player more then a chance at a miracle?

I don't really see banking on miracles as a good long term business plan no.

Go for it next year with Rose out celtics leaving and Howard wishy washy. Heck we don't know if rose will ever be the same. Don't commit to anyone longer than 2 years. After that if you want to retreat and rebuild. Get another lottery pick and don't screw it up this time.

Do you think they can get pass the Heat and then the western conf champ with the solid player? I think it would be more of a miracle

[JordanMars]

Does Philly really need a solid player more then a chance at a miracle?

I don't really see banking on miracles as a good long term business plan no.

Go for it next year with Rose out celtics leaving and Howard wishy washy. Heck we don't know if rose will ever be the same. Don't commit to anyone longer than 2 years. After that if you want to retreat and rebuild. Get another lottery pick and don't screw it up this time.

Do you think they can get pass the Heat and then the western conf champ with the solid player? I think it would be more of a miracle

Well your plan for the sixers is worse. What do you want them to tank for 5 years and build like the Thunder. This plan will prolly make us into the Sacramento Kings or T wolves. Last time i checked Kevin Durants or Lebrons dont come in the draft frequently.

Why not go for it next year?? with Rose being hurt, there is only one team in the East that we have to get past and that is the Heat(and they have their flaws too). This sixer team was only one win away from the ECF, why cant we add to this puzzle and try to get to the Finals. Deron Williams and Dwight are my number 1 targets.. Screw the Future and trade Jrue and ET to make it happen

PG-Deron Williams
SG-
SF-Iggy
PF-
C-Dwight

Bring on the heat.

[Sixerscan]

i think adding someone from trading turner young and $20+ million in cap space more likely than building around evan turner yes.

well actually, if turner was such a bust over the next two years that we ended up losing 60+ games and won the lottery two years straight we might have a shot. but then we wouldn't really be building around turner. certaintly wouldn't want to give him a raise on that $7 million he's making two years from now. i assume that isn't what you guys are looking for. if he's as good as some people think he will be, we likely wouldn't have a top 10 pick with him/jrue/vuc/lavoy/#15/thad/cap fillers.

anyway, that's all

[Do the Jrue]

I'm with sixerscan on pretty much everything he's said. And if we were to come out with a starting lineup of Jrue-Gordon-Ross-Jefferson-Okafor...I like our chances against anybody including the Heat and Thunder. We would have a very good point guard on the verge of becoming a big star, a franchise #1 scorer that's only 23, a great young shooter and solid defender in Ross, the 2nd best PF in the East and one of the best interior defenders in the league at center. Reminds me of a younger version of the Celtics when they had Perkins.

[Ming]

I don't really see banking on miracles as a good long term business plan no.

Go for it next year with Rose out celtics leaving and Howard wishy washy. Heck we don't know if rose will ever be the same. Don't commit to anyone longer than 2 years. After that if you want to retreat and rebuild. Get another lottery pick and don't screw it up this time.

Do you think they can get pass the Heat and then the western conf champ with the solid player? I think it would be more of a miracle

Well your plan for the sixers is worse. What do you want them to tank for 5 years and build like the Thunder. This plan will prolly make us into the Sacramento Kings or T wolves. Last time i checked Kevin Durants or Lebrons dont come in the draft frequently.

Why not go for it next year?? with Rose being hurt, there is only one team in the East that we have to get past and that is the Heat(and they have their flaws too). This sixer team was only one win away from the ECF, why cant we add to this puzzle and try to get to the Finals. Deron Williams and Dwight are my number 1 targets.. Screw the Future and trade Jrue and ET to make it happen

PG-Deron Williams
SG-
SF-Iggy
PF-
C-Dwight

Bring on the heat.

Getting Deron and Dwight would be a miracle too. If we can get them of course I would be all for it. But if we didn't, instead of being the kings or wolves we would be an also-ran every year like the hawks, which would be the worst place to be in in this league.

[Ming]

i think adding someone from trading turner young and $20+ million in cap space more likely than building around evan turner yes.

well actually, if turner was such a bust over the next two years that we ended up losing 60+ games and won the lottery two years straight we might have a shot. but then we wouldn't really be building around turner. certaintly wouldn't want to give him a raise on that $7 million he's making two years from now. i assume that isn't what you guys are looking for. if he's as good as some people think he will be, we likely wouldn't have a top 10 pick with him/jrue/vuc/lavoy/#15/thad/cap fillers.

anyway, that's all

Let's just say I have more faith in Turner becoming a good player than turner + young + cap space getting a star player in return. To me star player is a basic requirement to be a championship contender.

If we can trade Iguodala for a high draft pick, say #5, then keeping Turner will be better.
Like you said, if Turner is a bust this team will probably be bad enough to get high draft picks, which increases their chances to get a franchise player.
If he improves so much that this team is in late lottery or out of lottery, then we can build around jrue/turner/#5/#15, either hoping turner or #5 become a star, or package them (Turner will then have much higher value) for an available star player

[76ciology]

He cant shoot and isn't especially long strong or athletic. What are the tools he possesses inherent in nba stars?

Well at point guard, where he wants to play and has shown he can excel, he's probably one of the biggest and strongest PG in the league. .

At SG and SF, that's where his size looks average (same length with Caron Butler).

This is the reason why I want him to play PG. Anyway, it's a completely different topic. My point is that there's more chance for him to be an all-star PG than an all-star SG/SF.

[freshie2]

...and it's really more important for him to succeed than for the team to succeed.

[76ciology]

...and for the team to succeed we need to trade our 2nd overall pick with just one full regular season and one shortened regular season of experience for a rotational player.

[SparksFly87]

Thaddues Young needs to work on his shot so he can be our forward next year. Great length , speed and can spot up , and post up smaller defenders.

Jrue Turner Thad. A stretch 4 and a athletic center.



Thad makes way too much to be just another bench player and at his age still has upside that's being wasted.