2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

Kobblehead · Post #1441 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:50 pm

Here are some of the players that are meeting some key criteria I look at with their performance this season.

Rebounders that block shots:
- Daniel Ochefu
- Chinanu Onuaku
- A.J. Hammons
- Jakob Poeltl

High level scorers that can shoot:
- Grayson Allen
- Buddy Hield

High level scorers that can shoot and distribute: HIGH PRIORITY
- Denzel Valentine

Two-way frontcourt players:
- Brice Johnson
- Gary Clark

Two-way players that can shoot:
- Dorian Finney-Smith
- Ron Baker
- Jarrod Uthoff

Two-way players that distribute: HIGH PRIORITY
- Ben Simmons
- Kris Dunn
- Gary Payton (extremely underrated)

freshie2 · Post #1442 » by **freshie2** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:22 pm

Ingram isn't listed...oversight? Agree on Payton...the two euro wings intrigue me as well.

Negrodamus · Post #1443 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:27 pm

Just curious and you're obviously entitled to your opinion, but why is Jamal Murray not in the "high level scorers that can shoot"? He basically has the same stats, measurements, etc (or at least the same as Grayson).

Kobblehead · Post #1444 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:50 pm

freshie2 wrote:Ingram isn't listed...oversight? Agree on Payton...the two euro wings intrigue me as well.

His performance hasn't quite met my standards yet. He's still the #2 prospect in this draft based off tools and skillset, but the totality of his freshman season up to this point has been an underperformance. You're rolling the dice a bit and projecting out with him. Like you had to do after Wiggins' slightly disappointing freshman season.

Kobblehead · Post #1445 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:02 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Just curious and you're obviously entitled to your opinion, but why is Jamal Murray not in the "high level scorers that can shoot"? He basically has the same stats, measurements, etc (or at least the same as Grayson).

His volume production is there but his +/- stats are underwhelming. Right now, his metrics are comparable to the Devin Booker, Nik Stauskas, Gary Harris and C.J. Wilcox freshman years. He's trending up right now so I'm not ruling him out in matching my criteria. I'm just saying he hasn't reached it as of now.

Kobblehead · Post #1446 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:03 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Here are some of the players that are meeting some key criteria I look at with their performance this season.

Rebounders that block shots:
- Daniel Ochefu
- Chinanu Onuaku
- A.J. Hammons
- Jakob Poeltl

High level scorers that can shoot:
- Grayson Allen
- Buddy Hield

High level scorers that can shoot and distribute: HIGH PRIORITY
- Denzel Valentine

Two-way frontcourt players:
- Brice Johnson
- Gary Clark

Two-way players that can shoot:
- Dorian Finney-Smith
- Ron Baker
- Jarrod Uthoff

Two-way players that distribute: HIGH PRIORITY
- Ben Simmons
- Kris Dunn
- Gary Payton (extremely underrated)

For reference's sake, here's guys from last year's draft slotted into the same criteria. I avoided duplicating guys that fit more than one category for obvious reasons.

Rebounders that block shots:
- Karl-Anthony Towns (1.9 NBA VORP)

High level scorers that can shoot:
- Quinn Cook (2.5 D-League VORP)
- Rayvonte Rice (leading scorer for his Italian league team)

High level scorers that can shoot and distribute: HIGH PRIORITY
- D'Angelo Russell (0.1 NBA VORP)
- Cameron Payne (0.4 NBA VORP)

Two-way players that can shoot:
- Justise Winslow (0.2 NBA VORP)
- Frank Kaminsky (0.2 NBA VORP)

Two-way players that distribute: HIGH PRIORITY
- Delon Wright (1.2 D-League VORP)
- T.J. McConnell (0.2 NBA VORP)
- Seth Tuttle (5th in scoring, 3rd in assists, 1st in rebounding for his German League team)

Sixersftw · Post #1447 » by **Sixersftw** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:31 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Valentine. It's crazy that he's in the 20s in some mocks.

There is no possible way that he stays in the 20's come draft time. In this draft, he's a top 10 player without a damn doubt

Unbreakable99 · Post #1448 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:51 pm

I think Murray can be similar to Jamal Crawford and be good enough to start on a team but might be best coming off the bench and being a spark. He can't handle like Crawford but he can shoot like him.

PhilasFinest · Post #1449 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:57 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DawkinsMTA/status/700760075032350720[/tweet]

I want Simmons or Ingram, but this kid continues to grow on me. Could be my #3. Would be a great fit here

eagereyez · Post #1450 » by **eagereyez** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:12 am

The best thing about Murray is his age. If we were talking freshman Murray vs freshman Dunn/Valentine/Hield/Waiters it wouldn't even be close. Murray will be 19 entering the NBA, Mayo was 21 his rookie season. Definitely don't see him as a PG tho.

Post #1451 » by **Foshan** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:26 am

so i haven't been able to follow college ball as much as i like to. Can Brown play SG at the next level? or is there something that would necessitate him being more of a SF (broken shot/slow feet?) While I like Murray, the thought of having two giant wings (Brown/Ingram) at least measurement wise would be amazing.

Agnostifarian · Post #1452 » by **Agnostifarian** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:27 pm

With our 2016 pick and LAL''s 2016 pick, if it conveys, I think Hinkie/Colangelo will do the right thing and pick the players who are BPA with the highest ceilings. After that, with the MIA & OKC picks I hope they go for need and ability to come in and contribute from Day One. IMO, and I think this is consensus here, we need (1) shooting, (2) playmaking and (3) defense from PG, SG and SF positions.

I think Buddy Heild and Denzel Valentine should be very high on our wish list but I suspect they will both be drafted before the MIA pick. If we can't roll the MIA & OKC picks up to draft one of those prospects, I think we should take a shot at Grayson Allen.

I've been watching the Duke games very closely this season. More accurately, I watch Brandon Ingram while his team plays basketball. Early in the season, I would get pissed at Grayson Allen because he was a black hole and wouldn't pass the ball to Ingram. I was seriously wondering if Allen had a beef with Ingram (stupid, I know). Anyway, Allen has really grown on me. He is a born scorer and he's fearless going to the hole. He gets to the line at a high rate and converts his FTs at 85%. His Ast/TO ratio is 2:1 so he's not quite the black hole that I thought he was in 2015.

He has weaknesses, of course, and that is why he may be had later in the first round. He's an undersized SG (wingspan 6' 7") and I'm sure his defense will be exposed in the NBA when he has MTM responsibilities. Nonetheless, as a scorer off the bench, he should excel and be a big upgrade over Stauskas, Canaan, Hollis, etc.

ShirleyTemple · Post #1453 » by **ShirleyTemple** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:32 pm

Allen doesn't have an NBA body. It's not just that he will be exposed defensively, but I don't see his offensive game translating to the NBA. I don't want him at all.

Ericb5 · Post #1454 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:41 pm

ShirleyTemple wrote:Allen doesn't have an NBA body. It's not just that he will be exposed defensively, but I don't see his offensive game translating to the NBA. I don't want him at all.

I don't understand this at all. He seems to be a great athlete to me, and he is a bull dog too.

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Kobblehead · Post #1455 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:01 pm

ShirleyTemple wrote:Allen doesn't have an NBA body. It's not just that he will be exposed defensively, but I don't see his offensive game translating to the NBA. I don't want him at all.

Not sure where you're getting this from. Grayson Allen is pretty swole. And is an absolutely outstanding athlete.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGCytpyY5Wg[/youtube]

ShirleyTemple · Post #1456 » by **ShirleyTemple** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:05 pm

Outstanding? Haha no. I'm sorry I just don't see that.

Kobblehead · Post #1457 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:12 pm

ShirleyTemple wrote:Outstanding? Haha no. I'm sorry I just don't see that.

I'm not sure if you've seen Grayson Allen play, period.

Ericb5 · Post #1458 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:23 pm

I would love Grayson Allen with the OKC pick, and maybe even with the Miami pick if things shake out certain ways.

He seems to be capable of being a good scoring guard off the bench. He competes, and defends, and can shoot, and slash.

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Kobblehead · Post #1459 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:51 pm

He doesn't defend, at all.

ShirleyTemple · Post #1460 » by **ShirleyTemple** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:57 pm

You don't pick an outstanding athlete who competes, and defends, and can shoot, and slash with MIA or OKC pick, especially not in the weak draft like this, and I can definitely see him falling to the 20s. So that's my point. He's not that good. Not as a prospect.

He's a good college player who can shoot. But shooting is the only segment of his game which can be translated to the NBA level.
I don't want that type of a player on our team, not with the 1st round pick.