Markelle Fultz Discussion II

JojoSlimbiid · Post #1441 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:18 pm

B.C probably reaming Brown for not mentioning the form change.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1442 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:22 pm

I don’t want to see Fultz play until he shoots free throws normally again and can shoot 3s. If that means he’s out for the season then so be it but he better not come back and not be able to shoot 3s and still shooting ugly foul shots.

LloydFree · Post #1443 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:27 pm

This should be the playbook going forward for all GMs who select top picks that struggle early. Look terrible, shut'em down. Let everyone focus on the other struggling rookies. Colangelo is a genius.

Simmons25 · Post #1444 » by **Simmons25** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:50 pm

LloydFree wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Maybe I missed that part and you got that quote from an interview that I didn't see. I saw his most recent interview he said that scouts were concerned that Ball wasn't vocal enough at the PG position to be "great", but everyone he talked to still believes he will be "good". I didn't hear anything about he should have been picked 6-10, or that the Lakers shouldn't have picked him or that his father fooled the Lakers into taking him. Like I said, you may have seen a different interview, but I find it hard to believe, because Chris Brussard doesn't even talk negatively about players like that.

im kinda offended that you would think i would make something or anything up around here. broussard appears on cowherd’s show like every other day. look, i was pretty shocked to see him backtrack like that because it makes him look pathetic, when i get home from work ill look for the interview and post it. but believe me if u can when i say that im mot making this up lol

Sorry for offending you. This is off-topic anyway. Did Brussard and Cowherd have anything to say about Markelle Fultz?

I heard it too. Broussard said if it wasn't for Lavar Ball being so loud, if he was just a normal parent he doesn't think Ball would have been picked #2... especially after he got destroyed by DeÁaron Fox in College.

He said because Lavar created all this hype it was almost like the Lakers were forced to take him due to all the "Next Magic", "UCLA local kid" stuff that Lavar was pumping up.

In another video with Cowheard and Rob Parker they went even further... Parker said the Lakers were duped and they had no choice but to pick him. Said that there are these odd draft picks where teams get "trapped" into picking players they normally wouldn't pick just because they are local kids and it can burn a team for years.

Brauer · Post #1445 » by **Brauer** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:52 pm

Fultz looks skinnier too. He's gonna get more explosive with time and his shot is gonna come back. There's a reason Fultz was considered the consensus #1 in such a deep draft. I still believe he is a generational talent.

KrazySixersD · Post #1446 » by **KrazySixersD** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:56 pm

for real fultz looked more explosive during the games that I first thought, and his length looked very impressive too... I think he is going to be fine in those departments, he is definitely still an above average athlete

Unbreakable99 · Post #1447 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:23 pm

Fultz did look quicker getting to the basket which surprised me.

cksdayoff · Post #1448 » by **cksdayoff** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:32 pm

LloydFree wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Maybe I missed that part and you got that quote from an interview that I didn't see. I saw his most recent interview he said that scouts were concerned that Ball wasn't vocal enough at the PG position to be "great", but everyone he talked to still believes he will be "good". I didn't hear anything about he should have been picked 6-10, or that the Lakers shouldn't have picked him or that his father fooled the Lakers into taking him. Like I said, you may have seen a different interview, but I find it hard to believe, because Chris Brussard doesn't even talk negatively about players like that.

im kinda offended that you would think i would make something or anything up around here. broussard appears on cowherd’s show like every other day. look, i was pretty shocked to see him backtrack like that because it makes him look pathetic, when i get home from work ill look for the interview and post it. but believe me if u can when i say that im mot making this up lol

Sorry for offending you. This is off-topic anyway. Did Brussard and Cowherd have anything to say about Markelle Fultz?

nope, not from what i saw. at the same time fultz isnt being talked about in the same manner ben wasnt being talked about last year by everyone that has a mic in their face. theyve become afterthoughts with the media.

Negrodamus · Post #1449 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:40 pm

Simmons25 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
im kinda offended that you would think i would make something or anything up around here. broussard appears on cowherd’s show like every other day. look, i was pretty shocked to see him backtrack like that because it makes him look pathetic, when i get home from work ill look for the interview and post it. but believe me if u can when i say that im mot making this up lol

Sorry for offending you. This is off-topic anyway. Did Brussard and Cowherd have anything to say about Markelle Fultz?

I heard it too. Broussard said if it wasn't for Lavar Ball being so loud, if he was just a normal parent he doesn't think Ball would have been picked #2... especially after he got destroyed by DeÁaron Fox in College.

He said because Lavar created all this hype it was almost like the Lakers were forced to take him due to all the "Next Magic", "UCLA local kid" stuff that Lavar was pumping up.

In another video with Cowheard and Rob Parker they went even further... Parker said the Lakers were duped and they had no choice but to pick him. Said that there are these odd draft picks where teams get "trapped" into picking players they normally wouldn't pick just because they are local kids and it can burn a team for years.

If that is at all true, then Magic should be fired. You cannot let hype and public perception influence the pick.

Post #1450 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:53 pm

Yeah I saw a tweet reporting that. I think it's just Magic running PR for himself. Or someone like heard Magic say he liked fox and is running with that.

Sort of reminds me of the Hinkie/Porzingis/Okafor stuff tbh.

HotelVitale · Post #1451 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:54 pm

Brauer wrote:Fultz looks skinnier too. He's gonna get more explosive with time and his shot is gonna come back. There's a reason Fultz was considered the consensus #1 in such a deep draft. I still believe he is a generational talent.

He was the 'consensus' #1 because he put up huge numbers, that's really the only thing that set him apart. His teammates were so weak that he was in a position to produce as much as he could and, when playing against decent NCAA defenses he could do so all day (and he was pretty efficient). Problem is that most of what he did to produce at that level doesn't fly in the NBA, that's why he was back in the pack with other top prospects for me and many others.

He's a good prospect, though, and he's going to have some big moments for us when he gets back. I still worry a lot about his timing and how he'll fit his sort of slo-mo go-at-my-own-speed pace into the rest of a NBA offense, but he can drive and pass and hit shots and could be really really good in a little while. Just expect some ugly moments, and don't expect a normal dynamic #1 overall pick who can get what he wants when he wants it. Could be a couple years before he fully adjusts his tools to NBA speed+athleticism.

Brauer · Post #1452 » by **Brauer** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:55 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Fultz did look quicker getting to the basket which surprised me.

I know you are relatively low on Fultz to say the least, and I really don't want to revive the whole debate, but this is one of the reasons I've always been high on him. He is young for his class, was a late bloomer on top of that and clearly had a Jarbari-esque body build in college. Even then you could see he was an above average leaper which suggested significant potential for even more gains as an athlete as he grew into his body and hit an NBA training system. Seriously, Markelle has a super high ceiling. If his shot never comes back and he doesn't develop the way I expect him to as an athlete, then we are in trouble. But I disagree on the likelihood of that occurring. I'm not gonna sit here and act like I'm not worried at all. But seeing him slim down even more after already watching him succeed at getting to the rim without a jump shot is encouraging. Just need to see his shot return to where it was in summer league.

KrazySixersD · Post #1453 » by **KrazySixersD** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:39 pm

only thing I will say is anyone who doesn't like fultz as a prospect, but touted or even still touts lonzo, your opinion is dirt to me.. just sayin

Negrodamus · Post #1454 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:49 pm

I gotta think he's coming back in the next three games. I know I said this GW game tomorrow, but Sixerscan was probably right that they won't throw him to the wolves right off of injury. Here's my prediction: Embiid plays against the Warriors and Jazz, but sits for the Blazers game and Fultz makes his return to maintain the buzz around the team. I don't think we sit Embiid twice against Gobert.

Post #1455 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:08 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I gotta think he's coming back in the next three games. I know I said this GW game tomorrow, but Sixerscan was probably right that they won't throw him to the wolves right off of injury. Here's my prediction: Embiid plays against the Warriors and Jazz, but sits for the Blazers game and Fultz makes his return to maintain the buzz around the team. I don't think we sit Embiid twice against Gobert.

I think he's weeks away. Like I'm already sort of expecting January. Until we see him publicly shooting normal jump shots (with his right hand) I don't think he'll be back anytime soon.

Is Gobert going to be healthy for that game? He's out for a while I believe.

KrazySixersD · Post #1456 » by **KrazySixersD** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:10 pm

Gobert is out for like 4 weeks

also, embiid NEEDS TO BE SAT for tomorrow's game.. it just makes the most sense... especially now that GS is coming off a loss that makes it even less likely that we beat them

just bite the bullet and accept the likely outcome and let him sit.. hell I wouldn't even get mad if they wanted to sit Ben but obviously they wont do that

but Embiid needs to sit.. there is zero reason to sit him vs the Blazers who we can beat with him, and not GS

if we sit embiid vs the blazers we will not beat them

Negrodamus · Post #1457 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:15 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I gotta think he's coming back in the next three games. I know I said this GW game tomorrow, but Sixerscan was probably right that they won't throw him to the wolves right off of injury. Here's my prediction: Embiid plays against the Warriors and Jazz, but sits for the Blazers game and Fultz makes his return to maintain the buzz around the team. I don't think we sit Embiid twice against Gobert.

I think he's weeks away. Like I'm already sort of expecting January. Until we see him publicly shooting normal jump shots (with his right hand) I don't think he'll be back anytime soon.

Is Gobert going to be healthy for that game? He's out for a while I believe.

Oh, I completely missed that with the Gobert injury. Not that surprising since Utah is generally forgettable to me.

With Fultz posting "Be Back Soon!" on Instagram, it would just be strange to me if it took all of November, December and into January for him to return. The only way is if this goes beyond an injury (to much of the dismay of many posters on here).

Post #1458 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:17 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I gotta think he's coming back in the next three games. I know I said this GW game tomorrow, but Sixerscan was probably right that they won't throw him to the wolves right off of injury. Here's my prediction: Embiid plays against the Warriors and Jazz, but sits for the Blazers game and Fultz makes his return to maintain the buzz around the team. I don't think we sit Embiid twice against Gobert.

I think he's weeks away. Like I'm already sort of expecting January. Until we see him publicly shooting normal jump shots (with his right hand) I don't think he'll be back anytime soon.

Is Gobert going to be healthy for that game? He's out for a while I believe.

Oh, I completely missed that with the Gobert injury. Not that surprising since Utah is generally forgettable to me.

With Fultz posting "Be Back Soon!" on Instagram, it would just be strange to me if it took all of November, December and into January for him to return. The only way is if this goes beyond an injury (to much of the dismay of many posters on here).

I think anyone that believes this is purely an injury is kidding themselves. I don't think the Sixers think it's just an injury. Not that I think they would publicly admit that.

January might be a little much but I don't think he's playing before 12/1 unless we see footage his normal jump shots before thanksgiving.

LloydFree · Post #1459 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:23 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:only thing I will say is anyone who doesn't like fultz as a prospect, but touted or even still touts lonzo, your opinion is dirt to me.. just sayin

JojoSlimbiid · Post #1460 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:34 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:only thing I will say is anyone who doesn't like fultz as a prospect, but touted or even still touts lonzo, your opinion is dirt to me.. just sayin

Are their opinions dirt? Seems like they just don't know what it takes for a player to succeed at the NBA level. Not really surprised how many people got duped by Ball. His efficiency was ridiculous even though there was obvious noise about it. If you looked deeper he clearly wasn't in the same talent class as some of the other top prospects.

Josh Jackson's descent into the trash bin is more surprising.