Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[LessMorey]

He just got called in poker. B-Ball wants a three-year commitment from the team and not with a team option for the third year. If he can play four, it will make it easier to move Harris at the trade deadline. I'm not sure his agent played it right. On the other hand, there are worse risks in my opinion.

His agent is taking a huge gamble. If the Sixers don't match that's a terrible deal for Reed. Also, if the Sixers were somehow to be knocked out in the first round.

That means this was the best offer they could get. Morey, probably under the direction of ownership, obviously lowballed hoping to keep Basketball for cheap.

I guess so, which again, tells me the Sixers won't match. I'd prefer a 3 year/$18 million deal with a PO if I were him from the Sixers. And I am not sure how the Sixers didn't offer that.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize the deal is terrible for him and his agent is doing him a disservice. A 1 year/$6 million deal from the Sixers is better than this. Hell, anything is better than this. $8 million GTD while giving away the right to UFA for three seasons. It's terrible.

1 year/$6 million from the Sixers is objectively better than the Jazz deal. This tells me they aren't matching. I'm pretty sure of it. It's that or incompetence from his agent and/or Morey.

[Skates]

The Sixers were honestly very minimally entertaining last year. Watching them was a lot like watching paint dry at times. They even made winning kind of blah to watch. A big part of that was having do few athletic players. Gotta say so far this offseason the watchability quotient sure as hell has not gone up and is in danger of crashing big time right now.

[LessMorey]

The Sixers were honestly very minimally entertaining last year. Watching them was a lot like watching paint dry at times. They even made winning kind of blah to watch. A big part of that was having do few athletic players. Gotta say so far this offseason the watchability quotient sure as hell has not gone up and is in danger of crashing big time right now.

Seems like Morey is punting this season. There is no other explanation unless a Tobias trade from the sky falls in our lap, which isn't likely. I think he's going to run it back and spin off the expiring contracts (Melton, Harden, Tobias) at the deadline if it looks like the team is going nowhere.

Gives us the option to at least try to compete with Nurse and see how it's going and potentially pivot to having tons of cap space next summer with added assets from the deadline deals.

Also note, he will make sure he stays under the luxury tax (not matching on reed) because it's a punted season anyway and they want to delay having to pay hte repeater tax.

[hookshot199]

Morey has a plan, he just can't say it out loud, or it might not come true. Duh.

He just got called in poker. B-Ball wants a three-year commitment from the team and not with a team option for the third year. If he can play four, it will make it easier to move Harris at the trade deadline. I'm not sure his agent played it right. On the other hand, there are worse risks in my opinion.

His agent is taking a huge gamble. If the Sixers don't match that's a terrible deal for Reed. Also, if the Sixers were somehow to be knocked out in the first round.

I don't think so. I'm guessing they were going to offer him Shake money. He makes nearly double that in one year.

CONTRACT:3 yr(s) / $4,994,028 AVG. SALARY:$1,664,676 GTD AT SIGN:$4,994,028

[LessMorey]

Yeah, he was criminally underpaid over those three years and is now a free agent. In no world should he be accepting that contract. Giving two years of team options is terrible for $0 guaranteed in those years.

[Arsenal]

His agent is taking a huge gamble. If the Sixers don't match that's a terrible deal for Reed. Also, if the Sixers were somehow to be knocked out in the first round.

That means this was the best offer they could get. Morey, probably under the direction of ownership, obviously lowballed hoping to keep Basketball for cheap.

I guess so, which again, tells me the Sixers won't match. I'd prefer a 3 year/$18 million deal with a PO if I were him from the Sixers. And I am not sure how the Sixers didn't offer that.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize the deal is terrible for him and his agent is doing him a disservice. A 1 year/$6 million deal from the Sixers is better than this. Hell, anything is better than this. $8 million GTD while giving away the right to UFA for three seasons. It's terrible.

1 year/$6 million from the Sixers is objectively better than the Jazz deal. This tells me they aren't matching. I'm pretty sure of it. It's that or incompetence from his agent and/or Morey.

Not necessarily. What the Sixers offered versus what they actually valued him at are likely two different numbers. Why overpay if you don't have to?

Now we'll see how much they actually value him by whether they match or not.

[Arsenal]

The Sixers were honestly very minimally entertaining last year. Watching them was a lot like watching paint dry at times. They even made winning kind of blah to watch. A big part of that was having do few athletic players. Gotta say so far this offseason the watchability quotient sure as hell has not gone up and is in danger of crashing big time right now.

Agree. A big reason is the sluggish old-man game of Harden dominating the ball. Which is why I'm fine with him leaving, giving the keys to Maxey, and allowing Nurse to implement a modern motion offense.

At least the team will be aesthetically more exciting even if they don't win more games. Not to mention the future flexibility.

[Jailblazers7]

I just don’t think it’s a tough decision. Landale, Hartenstein, Mo Wagner, etc all make $8M/year so it’s market rate for a quality backup big. Reed is entering his most productive years with a coach who can maximize his talent. And $8M is a valuable contract for salary matching in a future trade.

Reed’s agent inserted the loophole because he knows we’re going to match it. And Ainge did it as a troll move because we can’t get out of the 2nd round.

[Arsenal]

I just don’t think it’s a tough decision. Landale, Hartenstein, Mo Wagner, etc all make $8M/year so it’s market rate for a quality backup big. Reed is entering his most productive years with a coach who can maximize his talent. And $8M is a valuable contract for salary matching in a future trade.

Reed’s agent inserted the loophole because he knows we’re going to match it. And Ainge did it as a troll move because we can’t get out of the 2nd round.

I agree. If we match it will turn out Ainge did us a favor. This contract should be a nice positive asset by next summer.

[LessMorey]

That means this was the best offer they could get. Morey, probably under the direction of ownership, obviously lowballed hoping to keep Basketball for cheap.

I guess so, which again, tells me the Sixers won't match. I'd prefer a 3 year/$18 million deal with a PO if I were him from the Sixers. And I am not sure how the Sixers didn't offer that.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize the deal is terrible for him and his agent is doing him a disservice. A 1 year/$6 million deal from the Sixers is better than this. Hell, anything is better than this. $8 million GTD while giving away the right to UFA for three seasons. It's terrible.

1 year/$6 million from the Sixers is objectively better than the Jazz deal. This tells me they aren't matching. I'm pretty sure of it. It's that or incompetence from his agent and/or Morey.

Not necessarily. What the Sixers offered versus what they actually valued him at are likely two different numbers. Why overpay if you don't have to?

Now we'll see how much they actually value him by whether they match or not.

It's an inefficient contract for both Reed and the Sixers given the way the Jazz structured it. That inefficiency can only be explained by one of two things: 1) Daryl and/or Reed's agent are incompetent or 2) The Sixers won't match.

All the agent has to do is go to Morey and say we have this deal on the table. It sucks for both of us. Let's figure out a structure that makes more sense for both of us. A 3-year/$21 million deal with a team option in the third year is better for both the team and Reed.

[Arsenal]

I guess so, which again, tells me the Sixers won't match. I'd prefer a 3 year/$18 million deal with a PO if I were him from the Sixers. And I am not sure how the Sixers didn't offer that.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize the deal is terrible for him and his agent is doing him a disservice. A 1 year/$6 million deal from the Sixers is better than this. Hell, anything is better than this. $8 million GTD while giving away the right to UFA for three seasons. It's terrible.

1 year/$6 million from the Sixers is objectively better than the Jazz deal. This tells me they aren't matching. I'm pretty sure of it. It's that or incompetence from his agent and/or Morey.

Not necessarily. What the Sixers offered versus what they actually valued him at are likely two different numbers. Why overpay if you don't have to?

Now we'll see how much they actually value him by whether they match or not.

It's an inefficient contract for both Reed and the Sixers given the way the Jazz structured it. That inefficiency can only be explained by one of two things: 1) Daryl and/or Reed's agent are incompetent or 2) The Sixers won't match.

All the agent has to do is go to Morey and say we have this deal on the table. It sucks for both of us. Let's figure out a structure that makes more sense for both of us. A 3-year/$21 million deal with a team option in the third year is better for both the team and Reed.

You forgot option #3 - Danny Ainge said take this offer immediately or we pull it off the table, leaving no time to get a counter from the Sixers before signing it.

Ainge is no dummy and he's smart enough to avoid getting his offers shopped.

My guess is this is the most likely explanation.

[sixers4real]

As of now, I’m only checking-in to have fun about the whining.
Out of control.

I don’t believe Morey’s just asleep. He does not really care of what any of you think of him.

I still trust him.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Some affordable and available free agents that I like in case we do lose Paul Reed

Darius Bazley
Bol Bol (Obviously)

Wenyen Gabriel- Every time I've watched him play, he's impressed me.

Christian Wood- Nobody likes him, but he's athletically what we need. Wood also has an offensive game and if we can get him on a prove-it contract, then why the hell not?

TJ Warren- He's another one that's still out there. Past his prime, but he can still score and would provide us with scoring depth off the bench. He'd also be a nice Niang replacement.

Justice Winslow- I can't believe he's still only 27 years old. I would snatch him up on a vet min contract and see what he's got to offer.

Will Barton- Most of us are complaining about our bench being crap. Sign him, he'd come cheap and he can score.

Terence Davis- He's my top pick if I had one.

Hamidou Diallo- Sleep pick as well

RJ Hampton- 22 years old, youth, athleticism, untapped potential

Kennedy Chandler- I'm a UT fan so...

MCW- I would not be opposed at all at bringing him back and letting him come off the bench.

[LessMorey]

Not necessarily. What the Sixers offered versus what they actually valued him at are likely two different numbers. Why overpay if you don't have to?

Now we'll see how much they actually value him by whether they match or not.

It's an inefficient contract for both Reed and the Sixers given the way the Jazz structured it. That inefficiency can only be explained by one of two things: 1) Daryl and/or Reed's agent are incompetent or 2) The Sixers won't match.

All the agent has to do is go to Morey and say we have this deal on the table. It sucks for both of us. Let's figure out a structure that makes more sense for both of us. A 3-year/$21 million deal with a team option in the third year is better for both the team and Reed.

You forgot option #3 - Danny Ainge said take this offer immediately or we pull it off the table, leaving no time to get a counter from the Sixers before signing it.

Ainge is no dummy and he's smart enough to avoid getting his offers shopped.

My guess is this is the most likely explanation.

Occam's razor tells me that's less likely than the Sixers just not wanting to match.

For the Sixers to match all of the following has to be true:

1) Ainge makes a threat to take the offer off the table if they don't respond immediately. That's typically not kosher nor is it easy from a practical standpoint. They either had to all be in a Zoom call together or all be in the same room in person. Because the agent has to relay the message to Bball so he can ultimately make the decision.

2) The agent has to view Morey as unlikely to offer $8 million/year to end up recommending Bball accepts the Jazz contract.

3) Morey matches the contract and thinks Bball paul is worth $8 million/year (which ends up being much more with luxury tax)


Even if we assign high probabilities for all three (in the order that's listed above): 90%, 60%, 80% = 43%.

And 2) and 3) are inversely correlated. The agent has to have some idea on Morey's probability of paying $8 million/year.

If the Sixers match then that tells me that Morey & Reed's agent messed up and Danny Ainge is the best GM in the NBA. Which is a possibility. I consider it less likely than Morey just not matching. We'll see soon.

[Arsenal]

It's an inefficient contract for both Reed and the Sixers given the way the Jazz structured it. That inefficiency can only be explained by one of two things: 1) Daryl and/or Reed's agent are incompetent or 2) The Sixers won't match.

All the agent has to do is go to Morey and say we have this deal on the table. It sucks for both of us. Let's figure out a structure that makes more sense for both of us. A 3-year/$21 million deal with a team option in the third year is better for both the team and Reed.

You forgot option #3 - Danny Ainge said take this offer immediately or we pull it off the table, leaving no time to get a counter from the Sixers before signing it.

Ainge is no dummy and he's smart enough to avoid getting his offers shopped.

My guess is this is the most likely explanation.

Occam's razor tells me that's less likely than the Sixers just not wanting to match.

For the Sixers to match all of the following has to be true:

1) Ainge makes a threat to take the offer off the table if they don't respond immediately. That's typically not kosher nor is it easy from a practical standpoint. They either had to all be in a Zoom call together or all be in the same room in person. Because the agent has to relay the message to Bball so he can ultimately make the decision.

2) The agent has to view Morey as unlikely to offer $8 million/year to end up recommending Bball accepts the Jazz contract.

3) Morey matches the contract and thinks Bball paul is worth $8 million/year (which ends up being much more with luxury tax)


Even if we assign high probabilities for all three (in the order that's listed above): 90%, 60%, 80% = 43%.

And 2) and 3) are inversely correlated. The agent has to have some idea on Morey's probability of paying $8 million/year.

If the Sixers match then that tells me that Morey & Reed's agent messed up and Danny Ainge is the best GM in the NBA. Which is a possibility. I consider it less likely than Morey just not matching. We'll see soon.

We can make up all the probabilities we want. Like you say, whether the Sixers match or not will be the primary evidence about what actually happened.

[LessMorey]

Make up whatever probabilities you want, it's tough to get an outcome where the Sixers match > 50% of the time without gross incompetence from his agent or Morey coupled with Machiavellian strategy from Ainge.

[Stanford]

He does not really care of what any of you think of him.

lol now we're simping for the prez.

[mjkvol]

I'm so sad that the last years' team, which actually had some talent and depth, was in the hands of that incompetent fool Rivers.

I've thought the same thing all off season, and it's a big reason I would have liked to run it back with essentially the same group. Make one more run with a legit coach and then reassess.

[mjkvol]

Some affordable and available free agents that I like in case we do lose Paul Reed

Darius Bazley
Bol Bol (Obviously)

Wenyen Gabriel- Every time I've watched him play, he's impressed me.

Christian Wood- Nobody likes him, but he's athletically what we need. Wood also has an offensive game and if we can get him on a prove-it contract, then why the hell not?

TJ Warren- He's another one that's still out there. Past his prime, but he can still score and would provide us with scoring depth off the bench. He'd also be a nice Niang replacement.

Justice Winslow- I can't believe he's still only 27 years old. I would snatch him up on a vet min contract and see what he's got to offer.

Will Barton- Most of us are complaining about our bench being crap. Sign him, he'd come cheap and he can score.

Terence Davis- He's my top pick if I had one.

Hamidou Diallo- Sleep pick as well

RJ Hampton- 22 years old, youth, athleticism, untapped potential

Kennedy Chandler- I'm a UT fan so...

MCW- I would not be opposed at all at bringing him back and letting him come off the bench.

That's a solid list. I'd love to see Kennedy get a shot here.

[eyeatoma]

Except for LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue, AD, DeMar, and Klay Thompson.

There's a decent amount.

How many of those dudes would you max over Harden? Like if you had to.

Jaylen Brown and Siakam are also UFA.

OG i believe is RFA, but it doesnt matter if he just asks to be traded to the Sixers because of his connection with Nurse

We were talking about the restriction of not being able to max 10 year max contracts, which are the players I listed. The other free agents can be maxed if we sign Reed and retain him.