SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[PhilasFinest]

I don't really have much faith in Thad becoming a legit starting Sf.

He's failed to show much improvement in his ball handling ability in how many years? And that's what he's gonna have to do if he wants to become a starting SF along with improving his jumper out to the 3pt line

[bebopdeluxe]

...and for the team to succeed we need to trade our 2nd overall pick with just one full regular season and one shortened regular season of experience for a rotational player.

THIS

For me, this year is put-up-or-shut-up time for The Villain. No more excuses. Iguodala will probably be gone. He will have three months to prepare himself - both physically and mentally - for being the starting SF on this team, getting 35 minutes a game and having the ball in his hands a lot. He needs to get in better shape...he needs to come up with a credible jumpshot (not Ray Allen, mind you...just an average 18-foot jumper)...and he needs to cut down on silly overhandling turnovers and be SOLID with the ball.

If he does all those things (and I am not asking for miracles here), he will be a functional replacement for Iguodala - which will allow us, in turn, to move Iggy for a lotto pick AND a rotational player (Ed Davis, Wesley Matthews, etc...).

Beal/Moultrie (or whichever Jones you like)
Drummond/Ross
Henson/Ross

There are ANY number of two-man combinations that the Sixers could add with the lotto pick they get for Iguodala and #15 that would MATERIALLY change the Sixers intermediate-term development potential...and that does not even take into account the throw-in potential of a Davis or Matthews (or whatever else we could get in an Iguodala trade). But a KEY component of this is having Turner play SF - and playing it at an effective level. He can certainly rebound at an effective level...he should be able to defend on-the-ball at an effective level (albeit not at Iggy's level). He can certainly handle the ball at an effective level. He can pass the ball at an effective level. He should be able to create on the bounce at an effective level (against opposing SF's). And - at SF - his outside shot does not have to be stretch-the-floor amazing...he just needs to hit an 18-footer at 43-45%...yes?

For me, it is a combination of the assets we can get for Iguodala and having a credible in-house replacement option in Turner that takes me in this direction. I would think that - with ANY reasonable improvement in his outside shot - we could get 13/7/5 from Turner with average SF defense...and I don't think I am praying for a miracle with those numbers. Any upside is pure gravy...because the assets that we get back for trading Iguodala gives us a FUTURE.

Get it right, Tony. No pressure.

[SparksFly87]

Iggy and 15 for Bargnani, 1st rd and Ed Davis.


Jrue. 1st rd. Turner. Bargnani. Davis

[Do the Jrue]

K, first of all I highly doubt we would get Wes Matthews and the #11 pick or Ed Davis, Calderon and the #8 pick for JUST Iguodala. Both of those trades would probably have us involving our #15 pick in the deal as well. And neither of those deals would be able to net us Beal or Drummond...MAYBE Henson, but the Kings and Pistons are said to really like him and I would bet on one of them taking him. That area of the draft the best players for us that would possibly be available would be Jeremy Lamb, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers. Lamb I think would be the perfect player for us though at shooting guard. Then at #15 I have a feeling Ross won't even be available. If he's not there it would probably come down to Harkless, Perry Jones, Quincy Miller or Moultrie.

And ew^ to a lineup of Jrue, a rookie, Turner, Bargnani's 5 rebounds a game and Ed Davis as our starting center.

[SparksFly87]

K, first of all I highly doubt we would get Wes Matthews and the #11 pick or Ed Davis, Calderon and the #8 pick for JUST Iguodala. Both of those trades would probably have us involving our #15 pick in the deal as well. And neither of those deals would be able to net us Beal or Drummond...MAYBE Henson, but the Kings and Pistons are said to really like him and I would bet on one of them taking him. That area of the draft the best players for us that would possibly be available would be Jeremy Lamb, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers. Lamb I think would be the perfect player for us though at shooting guard. Then at #15 I have a feeling Ross won't even be available. If he's not there it would probably come down to Harkless, Perry Jones, Quincy Miller or Moultrie.

And ew^ to a lineup of Jrue, a rookie, Turner, Bargnani's 5 rebounds a game and Ed Davis as our starting center.

A little pessimistic aren't you?

[bebopdeluxe]

K, first of all I highly doubt we would get Wes Matthews and the #11 pick or Ed Davis, Calderon and the #8 pick for JUST Iguodala. Both of those trades would probably have us involving our #15 pick in the deal as well. And neither of those deals would be able to net us Beal or Drummond...MAYBE Henson, but the Kings and Pistons are said to really like him and I would bet on one of them taking him. That area of the draft the best players for us that would possibly be available would be Jeremy Lamb, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers. Lamb I think would be the perfect player for us though at shooting guard. Then at #15 I have a feeling Ross won't even be available. If he's not there it would probably come down to Harkless, Perry Jones, Quincy Miller or Moultrie.

And ew^ to a lineup of Jrue, a rookie, Turner, Bargnani's 5 rebounds a game and Ed Davis as our starting center.

At this point, we have NO idea what will be out there...and we may not even know until the night of the draft. But - for example - if we really want Beal or Drummond and they are available at 5. would you take on the contracts of, say, Salmons and Garcia? It would be a LOT of contract to eat (including Salmons' 2013-14 salary), but it might be worth it for #5...and if Beal is gone and they don't want Drummond, that is a deal that the Kings might be interested in.

I do not think that it is outrageous to think that we can move Iguodala for a top 10 pick without sending #15 away...especially if we take significant dead salary back. Heck - it sounds like the Hornets would at least consider moving #10 if they can get rid of Okafor...and I would definitely consider that, depending on what we do with Iguodala.

The bottom line is that we all know that this team - as currently constructed - is not going to win anything. Iguodala has an ETO that he could trigger next summer...which means if we do not move him by the trade deadline, we may get SQUAT for him...so I want to be VERY aggressive in moving him for as good a package as we can get. Even if we can't get into the top 5/6, moving Iguodala to be a bigger player in this draft is something that we MUST do, IMO.

[KrazySixersD]

dude, sparks... plz stop going from post to post and listing 100 trades over n over.... as well as with the thad to SF posts over n over...

[KrazySixersD]

K, first of all I highly doubt we would get Wes Matthews and the #11 pick or Ed Davis, Calderon and the #8 pick for JUST Iguodala. Both of those trades would probably have us involving our #15 pick in the deal as well. And neither of those deals would be able to net us Beal or Drummond...MAYBE Henson, but the Kings and Pistons are said to really like him and I would bet on one of them taking him. That area of the draft the best players for us that would possibly be available would be Jeremy Lamb, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers. Lamb I think would be the perfect player for us though at shooting guard. Then at #15 I have a feeling Ross won't even be available. If he's not there it would probably come down to Harkless, Perry Jones, Quincy Miller or Moultrie.

And ew^ to a lineup of Jrue, a rookie, Turner, Bargnani's 5 rebounds a game and Ed Davis as our starting center.

At this point, we have NO idea what will be out there...and we may not even know until the night of the draft. But - for example - if we really want Beal or Drummond and they are available at 5. would you take on the contracts of, say, Salmons and Garcia? It would be a LOT of contract to eat (including Salmons' 2013-14 salary), but it might be worth it for #5...and if Beal is gone and they don't want Drummond, that is a deal that the Kings might be interested in.

I do not think that it is outrageous to think that we can move Iguodala for a top 10 pick without sending #15 away...especially if we take significant dead salary back. Heck - it sounds like the Hornets would at least consider moving #10 if they can get rid of Okafor...and I would definitely consider that, depending on what we do with Iguodala.

The bottom line is that we all know that this team - as currently constructed - is not going to win anything. Iguodala has an ETO that he could trigger next summer...which means if we do not move him by the trade deadline, we may get SQUAT for him...so I want to be VERY aggressive in moving him for as good a package as we can get. Even if we can't get into the top 5/6, moving Iguodala to be a bigger player in this draft is something that we MUST do, IMO.

i agree, its now or never with iguodala.. im warming to the idea of turner at SF, he just needs to hit 40% on jumpers... not even 43 to 45 that you listed. I would expect atleast 14 or 15 ppg from him next year rather than 13. I really want lamb if we cant get high enough to get drummond as he fits perfectly in at the 2...

does everyone realize lamb made 60% of his midrange jumpers this past year!?!? that is unbelievable

[Do the Jrue]

I don't even wanna think about John Salmons wearing a Sixers jersey again. I would take Marcus Thorton off their hands though for a Lou Will replacement.

[bebopdeluxe]

I don't even wanna think about John Salmons wearing a Sixers jersey again. I would take Marcus Thorton off their hands though for a Lou Will replacement.

Longer, uglier contract...but probably a more effective rotation player. If taking him gets us Drummond and allows us to keep 15, I might consider it...although he WAS their starting SG last season - right?

[Do the Jrue]

As would I.

[bebopdeluxe]

My only concern with Thornton is he is - like Lou - a volume shooter...only a 34-35% 3-point guy...he would probably be an upgrade defensively over Lou, but overall, still a step-down from Lou...and you would be paying him $25m over 3 years. Between him and Thad, a VERY expensive bench.

If you make that deal, you BETTER be right at 5.

[Do the Jrue]

He can shoot the 3 ball better than Lou and anyone else on this team...his percentage is only poor because he shoots a ton of them. He's a big improvement on defense and he has that "fiery competitive edge" that you guys speak of.

[KrazySixersD]

sacramento is not giving us thornton and number 5... come on now

[Gsraider]

Longer, uglier contract...but probably a more effective rotation player. If taking him gets us Drummond and allows us to keep 15, I might consider it...although he WAS their starting SG last season - right?

Salmons was exactly the guy that I was thinking Philly would have to take back in order to get Sacramento to consider moving the #5 pick. While he is overpaid and aging, if it meant getting Drummond, I would take him back without much hesitation. Besides, he's still a decent player and could be a solid reserve player, situational starter in the short term.

[bebopdeluxe]

Longer, uglier contract...but probably a more effective rotation player. If taking him gets us Drummond and allows us to keep 15, I might consider it...although he WAS their starting SG last season - right?

Salmons was exactly the guy that I was thinking Philly would have to take back in order to get Sacramento to consider moving the #5 pick. While he is overpaid and aging, if it meant getting Drummond, I would take him back without much hesitation. Besides, he's still a decent player and could be a solid reserve player, situational starter in the short term.

Agreed. I did not suggest Thornton, because he was the Kings' starting SG, and - if we are not giving up #15 in the deal - it seemed like too much. Since both Salmons and Garcia play SF, it made sense to me that those guys would come back to us in a trade for Iguodala. A bit of a drag in that we really do not get a useful, long-term rotational piece in addition to the pick, but if they like Drummond and we get him for Iggy, I am down with having to suck up salary to make it happen.

[83SixersRocked]

...and for the team to succeed we need to trade our 2nd overall pick with just one full regular season and one shortened regular season of experience for a rotational player.

THIS

For me, this year is put-up-or-shut-up time for The Villain. No more excuses. Iguodala will probably be gone. He will have three months to prepare himself - both physically and mentally - for being the starting SF on this team, getting 35 minutes a game and having the ball in his hands a lot. He needs to get in better shape...he needs to come up with a credible jumpshot (not Ray Allen, mind you...just an average 18-foot jumper)...and he needs to cut down on silly overhandling turnovers and be SOLID with the ball.

Get it right, Tony. No pressure.

While not suggesting that's what the 6ers should do I agree, as long as he starts and doesn't have that short leash. let him make his mistakes and get better faster...or not.

I agree It's also put up or shut up for the FO too. They've done a good job drafting mid-first round, but the first high pick in awhile hasn't quite panned out (hopefully) ''yet'. The 6ers ought to 'know what they have' by now and it's up to the FO, whether changes come via the draft, trade, or free agency (or some combination).

The FO did right with one #2 (Stackhouse) and arguably with their #1 (AI). (Ray Allen #5, Nash #15.) Both AI and Stackhouse made a difference (though they played more than ET).

[Winejk]

The FO did right with one #2 (Stackhouse) and arguably with their #1 (AI). (Ray Allen #5, Nash #15.) Both AI and Stackhouse made a difference (though they played more than ET).

And management made the outstanding move of trading Stackhouse for Ratliff, McKie and Montross. It worked out for both teams and was the cornerstone trade that eventually led to the 2001 Finals appearance. Philly shouldn't be scared of trading #2 pick Turner if there is a good trade out there.

[bebopdeluxe]

The FO did right with one #2 (Stackhouse) and arguably with their #1 (AI). (Ray Allen #5, Nash #15.) Both AI and Stackhouse made a difference (though they played more than ET).

And management made the outstanding move of trading Stackhouse for Ratliff, McKie and Montross. It worked out for both teams and was the cornerstone trade that eventually led to the 2001 Finals appearance. Philly shouldn't be scared of trading #2 pick Turner if there is a good trade out there.

So you would trade Turner and roll the dice that Iguodala doesn't invoke his ETO next summer?

[Do the Jrue]

I would trade both of them unless Deron and Dwight want to come here to play with Iguodala. Say we can get Jeremy Lamb, Drummond, Okafor and Wes Matthews in two seperate trades involving both of them + Thad Young. And we would still have our #15 pick (Harkless/Perry Jones) to grab another nice prospect. That sounds a hell of a lot better for the future than Iguodala and Turner, two dudes who we KNOW aren't building blocks of a franchise. Jrue-Lamb-Harkless/PJ3-Drummond could be very nice in a few years. If we keep Turner around another year and he averages just about the exact same numbers, still can't shoot and we have a down year compared to this past year than his value will be even lower. I have a feeling that's what is gonna end up happening with him unless we bring in a superstar or two to make us a serious contender. Ya gotta either blow it up and go all young or have a couple superstars and solid role players and gun for a title. I expect the Raptors, Nets, Cavs and maybe Wizards to be improved young teams next season.