Poll: Who do you want with #3? (VOTE AGAIN)

[Imdatboul11]

Where are all these elite athletic point guards every year around June? This year is Stephen Curry and Bellanedova ( Irving) . Supremely skilled guys who can play on and off ball and can shoot. In the past 20 years most of the point guards who have won champships we're shooters and role players not athletic physical point guards who dominate the basketball and drive to the basket. I don't think having a a big athletic point guard who can dunk is a winning formula especially for a team building inside out around Embiid. Russell fits us perfectly and is a better decision maker and shooter than Mudiay will ever be.

Did you ever think that these athletic point guards are drafted in the top 5 to terrible teams and it takes a while to go from a bottom 5 team to a chip winner? Westbrook was there 3 years ago and would've been more if not for untimely injuries for the thunder and Rose was a couple wins away from the finals but he ran into some guys named Bron, Wade, and Bosh. Iverson was there but Ya know I'd like to think it's pretty difficult to beat some guys named Shaq and Kobe when your supporting cast is a hell of a lot worse than Bron has this year. Steph is surrounded by insane talent. Put him on the thunder this year and I guarantee they win less games. Steph is a superstar no doubt but come on, his team is amazing. It has nothing to do with play style. And didn't Tony Parker just win last year and many before that? He's was insanely fast and his 3pt was terrible. It's about the TEAM not your starting point guards play style. And the team wouldn't be built around Mudiay anyway that title goes to Embiid. Mudiay, saric, Noel is an amazing core itself, so when built around someone like Embiid? You can't tell me that team won't win chips just because the PG is athletic. That makes no sense. Yall act like we're talking about Jeremy Evans here. Mudiay is supremely SKILLED not just athlete what don't people understand

[Imdatboul11]

Dunks and athleticism doesn't win games . Making shots and smart decisions on the court does . Mudiay just gives off the impression to me as a "me first " type guy. I don't want to see the ball in mudiays hands 40 mins a game . While other talented players watch him bully into the paint . History shows dynamic wings and bigs win the rings in this league not floor general point guards ( Magic Johnson and Isaiah Thomas are the only exceptions).

How is mudiay a me first player? If anything that title goes to Russell. Russell jacks up shots with two men in his face for no reason. This argument makes no sense anyway considering Mudiay's assist percentage is higher

[LloydFree]

I meant if Mudiay got his shot up him and Jrue would be the same player except Mudiay would be more athletic and gets to the line more. They have the same build and everything. People talk about Mudiay being limited in the pnr because of his shot but what about Russell? He won't ever be a threat to drive in the pnr. He couldn't do it good against boys in college what makes you think he will do it against grown men who are better and Mudiay has already proved he could by playing against men and former NBAers and college players. Mudiay will get better at shooting out of the pnr. Russell won't get better driving. Look what Ish smith did for Nerlens game without even being a threat to finish. Mudiay will do what ish did and is actually a threat to finish unlike ish and will put the defense in a tailspin.

Russell is going to be awesome in the pnr. He's the 2nd best shooter off the dribble in college basketball and is a brilliant passer. Stop fabricating weaknesses. Russell/Embiid pnr will be death to the opposing team.

Fast forward to 5:17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEgMvIQ4uw8

Please say it again. It is really amazing to me, how many people have a blind spot for players that have the ability to make shots off the dribble.

In a couple years, the Russell and Embiid PnR is going to be talked about like Stockton and Malone. You are not going to be able to stop it.

[Imdatboul11]

Good lord the one note posters are annoying.

We get it: you like prospect "X." That doesn't mean you have to make twenty posts a day saying so while trashing every other potential pick.

Not trashing Russell. He just might end up being better than Mudiay who knows. I'm just saying as a "prospect" I don't see how people act like he blows Mudiay out the water and don't look at facts and like to disregard Russel's weaknesses while hammering down Mudiay's. At the end of the day Mudiay has correctable weaknesses while Russell does not and I'm sure everyone can agree that the only surefire part of the game Russell will be better at is shooting. Last time I checked there are more parts to the game than shooting. I'm willing to bet Mudiay will be the better slasher, finisher, getting to the line, facilitator, rebounder, and defender. The combination of those things all close whatever gap there is in shooting between the two. I mean what's the point of Russell scoring 20 a game when he gives up 30? There are two sides to a basketball court.

[broseph13]

I don't see elite athleticism or explosiveness with Mudiay. I also still see a slow release on his jumper. I think mudiays passing and handles are overrated . He got pick pocketed a lot in China and his passes were very generic. Not impressed.

I feel the same way about Mudiay. When I watch him, all I see is a poor man's Tyreke Evans and that's NOT what I want for the Sixers.

[Imdatboul11]

Comparing Russell to Stockton is laughable. Stockton was twice the passer and defender and even he and Malone didn't win a chip

[Ericb5]

I meant if Mudiay got his shot up him and Jrue would be the same player except Mudiay would be more athletic and gets to the line more. They have the same build and everything. People talk about Mudiay being limited in the pnr because of his shot but what about Russell? He won't ever be a threat to drive in the pnr. He couldn't do it good against boys in college what makes you think he will do it against grown men who are better and Mudiay has already proved he could by playing against men and former NBAers and college players. Mudiay will get better at shooting out of the pnr. Russell won't get better driving. Look what Ish smith did for Nerlens game without even being a threat to finish. Mudiay will do what ish did and is actually a threat to finish unlike ish and will put the defense in a tailspin.

Russell is going to be awesome in the pnr. He's the 2nd best shooter off the dribble in college basketball and is a brilliant passer. Stop fabricating weaknesses. Russell/Embiid pnr will be death to the opposing team.

Fast forward to 5:17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEgMvIQ4uw8

Please say it again. It is really amazing to me, how many people have a blind spot for players that have the ability to make shots off the dribble.

In a couple years, the Russell and Embiid PnR is going to be talked about like Stockton and Malone. You are not going to be able to stop it.

I think that they both will be good in the PnR. I wonder if Russell will be better at scoring in the PnR, where as Mudiay could be better facilitating in the PnR though.

With MCW(and the implication extends to Mudiay) defenders in the PnR went behind the pick because he couldn't shoot. Isn't it a fair concern to say that they may do the opposite to Russell because he is a less capable penetrator?

I'm just raising the point. I am not sure who I prefer between Russell and Mudiay anymore. I was Mudiay for a while, and then have been coming to the light with Russell recently, but I'm still not totally sure who I want between the two of them.

To be honest, the tiebreaker for me may end up being whoever Hinkie selects.

I really like both of them, and I have real concerns with both of them too.

[SparksFly87]

Where are all these elite athletic point guards every year around June? This year is Stephen Curry and Bellanedova ( Irving) . Supremely skilled guys who can play on and off ball and can shoot. In the past 20 years most of the point guards who have won champships we're shooters and role players not athletic physical point guards who dominate the basketball and drive to the basket. I don't think having a a big athletic point guard who can dunk is a winning formula especially for a team building inside out around Embiid. Russell fits us perfectly and is a better decision maker and shooter than Mudiay will ever be.

Did you ever think that these athletic point guards are drafted in the top 5 to terrible teams and it takes a while to go from a bottom 5 team to a chip winner? Westbrook was there 3 years ago and would've been more if not for untimely injuries for the thunder and Rose was a couple wins away from the finals but he ran into some guys named Bron, Wade, and Bosh. Iverson was there but Ya know I'd like to think it's pretty difficult to beat some guys named Shaq and Kobe when your supporting cast is a hell of a lot worse than Bron has this year. Steph is surrounded by insane talent. Put him on the thunder this year and I guarantee they win less games. Steph is a superstar no doubt but come on, his team is amazing. It has nothing to do with play style. And didn't Tony Parker just win last year and many before that? He's was insanely fast and his 3pt was terrible. It's about the TEAM not your starting point guards play style. And the team wouldn't be built around Mudiay anyway that title goes to Embiid. Mudiay, saric, Noel is an amazing core itself, so when built around someone like Embiid? You can't tell me that team won't win chips just because the PG is athletic. That makes no sense. Yall act like we're talking about Jeremy Evans here. Mudiay is supremely SKILLED not just athlete what don't people understand

Like I said wings and bigs dominate this league not point guards. Scorers are way more important than ball dominant floor generals. Tony Parker has been trash for like 2 years now. Spurs are just amazing nothing to do with tony Parker's brilliance. Steph Curry like Allen Iverson are lethal scorers who can kill you with pull jumpers like Russell did in college. These scorers carry the offensive load on their backs by default because they're usually the only one or two guys who can consistently get buckets under duress - pressure. Scorers are hard to find, shooting guards are hard to find and potential elite passers , handle and can really shoot are hard to find. Rose is in a different planet compared to Mudiay as a prospect . Mudiay should thank Wall, Rose , Westbrook , Chad Ford and Larry brown personally for all the hype they help create for him. He is just not as good as advertised to my eyes.

[76ciology]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Emmanuel-Mudiay-Workout-Video-and-Interview-5084

[Imdatboul11]

I don't see elite athleticism or explosiveness with Mudiay. I also still see a slow release on his jumper. I think mudiays passing and handles are overrated . He got pick pocketed a lot in China and his passes were very generic. Not impressed.

I feel the same way about Mudiay. When I watch him, all I see is a poor man's Tyreke Evans and that's NOT what I want for the Sixers.

Tf? You say that like Reke is a bad player. The guy hasn't lived up to potential because coaches keep throwing him in and out of lineups at different positions. The man averaged an efficient 20,5,5 as a rookie. Mudiay is more athletic than him and a better passer. If I'm getting a better version of Reke then that is no doubt a superstar and give a player like that the max and hold onto him for 15 years

[SparksFly87]

Russell is going to be awesome in the pnr. He's the 2nd best shooter off the dribble in college basketball and is a brilliant passer. Stop fabricating weaknesses. Russell/Embiid pnr will be death to the opposing team.

Fast forward to 5:17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEgMvIQ4uw8

Please say it again. It is really amazing to me, how many people have a blind spot for players that have the ability to make shots off the dribble.

In a couple years, the Russell and Embiid PnR is going to be talked about like Stockton and Malone. You are not going to be able to stop it.

I think that they both will be good in the PnR. I wonder if Russell will be better at scoring in the PnR, where as Mudiay could be better facilitating in the PnR though.

With MCW(and the implication extends to Mudiay) defenders in the PnR went behind the pick because he couldn't shoot. Isn't it a fair concern to say that they may do the opposite to Russell because he is a less capable penetrator?

I'm just raising the point. I am not sure who I prefer between Russell and Mudiay anymore. I was Mudiay for a while, and then have been coming to the light with Russell recently, but I'm still not totally sure who I want between the two of them.

To be honest, the tiebreaker for me may end up being whoever Hinkie selects.

I really like both of them, and I have real concerns with both of them too.

Russell projects to be a deadly shooter so teams will pay for going under the pick and roll and Embiid and a Noel will benefit rolling to the basket because of his elite vision and their elite rebounding and athletic finishing ability. Mudiay penetration would just clog up Embiid and Noel's space to operate in the paint . You need as much space as possible for Embiid and definitely pairing him with Noel.

[Imdatboul11]

Where are all these elite athletic point guards every year around June? This year is Stephen Curry and Bellanedova ( Irving) . Supremely skilled guys who can play on and off ball and can shoot. In the past 20 years most of the point guards who have won champships we're shooters and role players not athletic physical point guards who dominate the basketball and drive to the basket. I don't think having a a big athletic point guard who can dunk is a winning formula especially for a team building inside out around Embiid. Russell fits us perfectly and is a better decision maker and shooter than Mudiay will ever be.

Did you ever think that these athletic point guards are drafted in the top 5 to terrible teams and it takes a while to go from a bottom 5 team to a chip winner? Westbrook was there 3 years ago and would've been more if not for untimely injuries for the thunder and Rose was a couple wins away from the finals but he ran into some guys named Bron, Wade, and Bosh. Iverson was there but Ya know I'd like to think it's pretty difficult to beat some guys named Shaq and Kobe when your supporting cast is a hell of a lot worse than Bron has this year. Steph is surrounded by insane talent. Put him on the thunder this year and I guarantee they win less games. Steph is a superstar no doubt but come on, his team is amazing. It has nothing to do with play style. And didn't Tony Parker just win last year and many before that? He's was insanely fast and his 3pt was terrible. It's about the TEAM not your starting point guards play style. And the team wouldn't be built around Mudiay anyway that title goes to Embiid. Mudiay, saric, Noel is an amazing core itself, so when built around someone like Embiid? You can't tell me that team won't win chips just because the PG is athletic. That makes no sense. Yall act like we're talking about Jeremy Evans here. Mudiay is supremely SKILLED not just athlete what don't people understand

Like I said wings and bigs dominate this league not point guards. Scorers are way more important than ball dominant floor generals. Tony Parker has been trash for like 2 years now. Spurs are just amazing nothing to do with tony Parker's brilliance. Steph Curry like Allen Iverson are lethal scorers who can kill you with pull jumpers like Russell did in college. These scorers carry the offensive load on their backs by default because they're usually the only one or two guys who can consistently get buckets under duress - pressure. Scorers are hard to find, shooting guards are hard to find and potential elite passers , handle and can really shoot are hard to find. Rose is in a different planet compared to Mudiay as a prospect . Mudiay should thank Wall, Rose , Westbrook , Chad Ford and Larry brown personally for all the hype they help create for him. He is just not as good as advertised to my eyes.

Curry does not carry team. He has Klay who is a dynamite scorer as well, Bogut is former number 1 pick, lee former all star 20-10 player, iggy former all star I mean the list goes on. I'd never take curry over iverson. Curry is more efficient because he has weapons around him that the defense has to look after so the defense can't pressure him. Trade ant David for curry and the Warriors sweep the Cavs and the Pellies don't make playoffs. I mean the guy is getting locked up by dellevedova come on

[SparksFly87]

I don't see elite athleticism or explosiveness with Mudiay. I also still see a slow release on his jumper. I think mudiays passing and handles are overrated . He got pick pocketed a lot in China and his passes were very generic. Not impressed.

I feel the same way about Mudiay. When I watch him, all I see is a poor man's Tyreke Evans and that's NOT what I want for the Sixers.

Tf? You say that like Reke is a bad player. The guy hasn't lived up to potential because coaches keep throwing him in and out of lineups at different positions. The man averaged an efficient 20,5,5 as a rookie. Mudiay is more athletic than him and a better passer. If I'm getting a better version of Reke then that is no doubt a superstar and give a player like that the max and hold onto him for 15 years

I think Reke was more athletic and a more talented prospect than Mudiay is ... Sorry . Also Reke and Mudiay 's style is awesome for highlights and stuff however I don't think either of them can lead and carry a championship team.

[broseph13]

I don't see elite athleticism or explosiveness with Mudiay. I also still see a slow release on his jumper. I think mudiays passing and handles are overrated . He got pick pocketed a lot in China and his passes were very generic. Not impressed.

I feel the same way about Mudiay. When I watch him, all I see is a poor man's Tyreke Evans and that's NOT what I want for the Sixers.

Tf? You say that like Reke is a bad player. The guy hasn't lived up to potential because coaches keep throwing him in and out of lineups at different positions. The man averaged an efficient 20,5,5 as a rookie. Mudiay is more athletic than him and a better passer. If I'm getting a better version of Reke then that is no doubt a superstar and give a player like that the max and hold onto him for 15 years

I said a "poor man's" Tyreke Evans.

[Imdatboul11]

I feel the same way about Mudiay. When I watch him, all I see is a poor man's Tyreke Evans and that's NOT what I want for the Sixers.

Tf? You say that like Reke is a bad player. The guy hasn't lived up to potential because coaches keep throwing him in and out of lineups at different positions. The man averaged an efficient 20,5,5 as a rookie. Mudiay is more athletic than him and a better passer. If I'm getting a better version of Reke then that is no doubt a superstar and give a player like that the max and hold onto him for 15 years

I think Reke was more athletic and a more talented prospect than Mudiay is ... Sorry . Also Reke and Mudiay 's style is awesome for highlights and stuff however I don't think either of them can lead and carry a championship team.

Reke is prolly a lil longer and stronger with tighter handles but that's it. More athletic overall? Nah

[LloydFree]

Comparing Russell to Stockton is laughable. Stockton was twice the passer and defender and even he and Malone didn't win a chip

I'm glad you know that Stockton was a better passer at age 19 than D'angelo Russell. Please enlighten me, because I didn't see Stockton at age 19. The 1st time I saw Stockton was the '84 Olympic trials.

[SparksFly87]

Tf? You say that like Reke is a bad player. The guy hasn't lived up to potential because coaches keep throwing him in and out of lineups at different positions. The man averaged an efficient 20,5,5 as a rookie. Mudiay is more athletic than him and a better passer. If I'm getting a better version of Reke then that is no doubt a superstar and give a player like that the max and hold onto him for 15 years

I think Reke was more athletic and a more talented prospect than Mudiay is ... Sorry . Also Reke and Mudiay 's style is awesome for highlights and stuff however I don't think either of them can lead and carry a championship team.

Reke is prolly a lil longer and stronger with tighter handles but that's it. More athletic overall? Nah

Mudiay is not a elite athlete look at the hops and explosiveness on those dunks they are average and won't even fly contested in games. What the heck is Mudiay elite skill that is going to make this team special? How does he compliment Embiid and make him a star player ? All I see is a penetrating Jrue holiday without the jumper or a smaller less talented Tyreke Evans with Derrick Rose- John Wall hype. I truly believe we can get another Mudiay but it's hard to find a player like Russell.

[Imdatboul11]

I feel the same way about Mudiay. When I watch him, all I see is a poor man's Tyreke Evans and that's NOT what I want for the Sixers.

Tf? You say that like Reke is a bad player. The guy hasn't lived up to potential because coaches keep throwing him in and out of lineups at different positions. The man averaged an efficient 20,5,5 as a rookie. Mudiay is more athletic than him and a better passer. If I'm getting a better version of Reke then that is no doubt a superstar and give a player like that the max and hold onto him for 15 years

I said a "poor man's" Tyreke Evans.

My fault. How so do you think he'd be a poor man's? I haven't looked it up but I'm guessing Reke's career averages are around 17,5,5 and I just don't see Mudiay doing worse than that. I think it is almost certain at his peak Mudiay will average AT LEAST 16+ points, 5+ rebounds, and 7+ assists

[Imdatboul11]

Comparing Russell to Stockton is laughable. Stockton was twice the passer and defender and even he and Malone didn't win a chip

I'm glad you know that Stockton was a better passer at age 19 than D'angelo Russell. Please enlighten me, because I didn't see Stockton at age 19. The 1st time I saw Stockton was the '84 Olympic trials.

Lol I'm pretty sure he was. I don't think it's humanly possible to go from a worse passer than Russ to the maybe the best passer the league has ever seen lol

[crow]

I really think Mudiay will be the pick.

Same. But...

I left my poll vote for Russell.

As long as Hinkie doesn't go and pick Porzingis, I win!

Thats my line of thought as well. Want Russell, but as long as we don't pick Porzingus I'm good with it. Porzingus has bust written all over him