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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1461 » by Eyeamok » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:11 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:I think that he's right in the way that he's handling things. The Sixers are a broken organization and it's damaging his career. The Colangelo's brought back Ish Smith, a PG that can use all of Noel's talents, just to let him go again while signing Bayless and Sergio. Those two guys can't use Noel. Too many within the Sixers fanbase grew up watching a broken organization so you have some of these fans aping the garbage the Sixers profess like Ben Simmons as a true PG. That's a bad idea! This organization is broken! Brett Brown is in over his head and needs to go back to just being a staffer. The head job is too much for him. He's a career loser and the players are tired of him. Embiid is complaining, Noel is complaining. It's time for Brett Brown to go. He can't handle the talent.


Bret Brown is the not problem here the problem is Bryan Colangelo. Hinkie drafted these players. And I have to believe he would have seen this coming and made a trade sooner than later. Bryan Colangelo came in under the umbrella of being a basketball guy. And yet we still have this mess. And on top of that not only is Nerles frustrated, but Embiid had voiced displeasure and the coach is talking about how the situation is messed up.

Leadership comes from the top down. If your parents never taught you the ABC's then you go off to school the teacher can't be blamed because you are behind?

Bryan's father handed him the job and he took it. What has he done to make the situation better? Drafted Ben Simmons?

Nerlens is a pampered sports star. And he is young. When you are young and pampered you say silly things. But throughout his interview. He did not blame Brown. He stated that Brown has a lot on his plate. Which shows he at least knows where the blame is to be placed. At the top on Colangelo's doorstep.

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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1462 » by OleSchool » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:11 pm

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Also, how egregious were those non-calls on Embiid. Any other star would get those calls.


It's the Shaq syndrome, the refs can't call all the fouls, cause half the other team would foul out by half. Better get used to it
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1463 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:18 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:I think that he's right in the way that he's handling things. The Sixers are a broken organization and it's damaging his career. The Colangelo's brought back Ish Smith, a PG that can use all of Noel's talents, just to let him go again while signing Bayless and Sergio. Those two guys can't use Noel. Too many within the Sixers fanbase grew up watching a broken organization so you have some of these fans aping the garbage the Sixers profess like Ben Simmons as a true PG. That's a bad idea! This organization is broken! Brett Brown is in over his head and needs to go back to just being a staffer. The head job is too much for him. He's a career loser and the players are tired of him. Embiid is complaining, Noel is complaining. It's time for Brett Brown to go. He can't handle the talent.


And I have to believe


Well I don't... The record is the truth. Judging by the record and the way that Embiid and Nerlens are speaking to the media about the way their careers are being mishandled, it's time for a new head coach to come in here to manage the talent.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1464 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:23 pm

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SelfishPlayer wrote:I think that he's right in the way that he's handling things. The Sixers are a broken organization and it's damaging his career. The Colangelo's brought back Ish Smith, a PG that can use all of Noel's talents, just to let him go again while signing Bayless and Sergio. Those two guys can't use Noel. Too many within the Sixers fanbase grew up watching a broken organization so you have some of these fans aping the garbage the Sixers profess like Ben Simmons as a true PG. That's a bad idea! This organization is broken! Brett Brown is in over his head and needs to go back to just being a staffer. The head job is too much for him. He's a career loser and the players are tired of him. Embiid is complaining, Noel is complaining. It's time for Brett Brown to go. He can't handle the talent.

So Ben isn't a PG BUT Ersan is a 3 and Roco is a 2?


You're comparing a #1 pick to those guys?
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1465 » by Eyeamok » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:32 pm

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Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:I think that he's right in the way that he's handling things. The Sixers are a broken organization and it's damaging his career. The Colangelo's brought back Ish Smith, a PG that can use all of Noel's talents, just to let him go again while signing Bayless and Sergio. Those two guys can't use Noel. Too many within the Sixers fanbase grew up watching a broken organization so you have some of these fans aping the garbage the Sixers profess like Ben Simmons as a true PG. That's a bad idea! This organization is broken! Brett Brown is in over his head and needs to go back to just being a staffer. The head job is too much for him. He's a career loser and the players are tired of him. Embiid is complaining, Noel is complaining. It's time for Brett Brown to go. He can't handle the talent.


And I have to believe


Well I don't... The record is the truth. Judging by the record and the way that Embiid and Nerlens are speaking to the media about the way their careers are being mishandled, it's time for a new head coach to come in here to manage the talent.


Are you kidding me? Who the hell takes one line out of 4 paragraphs, takes it completely out of context and responds to it. Come on man you're better than that. :banghead:
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1466 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:36 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
And I have to believe


Well I don't... The record is the truth. Judging by the record and the way that Embiid and Nerlens are speaking to the media about the way their careers are being mishandled, it's time for a new head coach to come in here to manage the talent.


Are you kidding me? Who the hell takes one line out of 4 paragraphs, takes it completely out of context and responds to it. Come on man you're better than that. :banghead:


That's where I would have cut you off in person.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1467 » by Negrodamus » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:45 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Well I don't... The record is the truth. Judging by the record and the way that Embiid and Nerlens are speaking to the media about the way their careers are being mishandled, it's time for a new head coach to come in here to manage the talent.


Are you kidding me? Who the hell takes one line out of 4 paragraphs, takes it completely out of context and responds to it. Come on man you're better than that. :banghead:


That's where I would have cut you off in person.


Why are you so insufferable? You're not capable of holding a cordial conversation with anyone on here and hold all your opinions as facts? You then admit that you'd interrupt him in person, which is arguably the most rude thing to do between 2 adults in my opinion.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1468 » by spikeslovechild » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:50 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:I think that he's right in the way that he's handling things. The Sixers are a broken organization and it's damaging his career. The Colangelo's brought back Ish Smith, a PG that can use all of Noel's talents, just to let him go again while signing Bayless and Sergio. Those two guys can't use Noel. Too many within the Sixers fanbase grew up watching a broken organization so you have some of these fans aping the garbage the Sixers profess like Ben Simmons as a true PG. That's a bad idea! This organization is broken! Brett Brown is in over his head and needs to go back to just being a staffer. The head job is too much for him. He's a career loser and the players are tired of him. Embiid is complaining, Noel is complaining. It's time for Brett Brown to go. He can't handle the talent.


Noel comments are an entirely different animal then Embiid.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1469 » by Gsraider » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:54 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Why are you so insufferable? You're not capable of holding a cordial conversation with anyone on here and hold all your opinions as facts? You then admit that you'd interrupt him in person, which is arguably the most rude thing to do between 2 adults in my opinion.


Not that you will, but don't frustrate yourself trying to response either rationally or respectfully. From every response I have seen, it's all wasted time.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1470 » by Negrodamus » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:10 pm

Gsraider wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Why are you so insufferable? You're not capable of holding a cordial conversation with anyone on here and hold all your opinions as facts? You then admit that you'd interrupt him in person, which is arguably the most rude thing to do between 2 adults in my opinion.


Not that you will, but don't frustrate yourself trying to response either rationally or respectfully. From every response I have seen, it's all wasted time.


It won't, but I figured I'd put the question out there.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1471 » by Ericb5 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:14 pm

I said at the beginning of the season that I respected the comments that Noel made, but he has now gone too far.

It is in NOBODY'S best interest for him to have that tantrum last night. It was pure juvenile crying.

I have a long posting record of preferring Okafor to Noel in terms of nba talent, but I have always been open minded to the idea of Noel sticking around and Okafor being traded.

After this tirade though I now think that Noel can't stick around because he won't even tolerate being behind Embiid. He literally HAS to be traded now, which really hurts the team because Okafor is probably 75% has to be traded too.

So there is now a much smaller chance of even one of them surviving here.


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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1472 » by OleSchool » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:38 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:I think that he's right in the way that he's handling things. The Sixers are a broken organization and it's damaging his career. The Colangelo's brought back Ish Smith, a PG that can use all of Noel's talents, just to let him go again while signing Bayless and Sergio. Those two guys can't use Noel. Too many within the Sixers fanbase grew up watching a broken organization so you have some of these fans aping the garbage the Sixers profess like Ben Simmons as a true PG. That's a bad idea! This organization is broken! Brett Brown is in over his head and needs to go back to just being a staffer. The head job is too much for him. He's a career loser and the players are tired of him. Embiid is complaining, Noel is complaining. It's time for Brett Brown to go. He can't handle the talent.

So Ben isn't a PG BUT Ersan is a 3 and Roco is a 2?


You're comparing a #1 pick to those guys?


No, I'm talking about how YOU want to play everyone at a differenr spots but when BB comes out and saying Simmons is going to play the point you got an issue with it
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Post#1473 » by cellar-door » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:06 pm

Ericb5 wrote:I said at the beginning of the season that I respected the comments that Noel made, but he has now gone too far.

It is in NOBODY'S best interest for him to have that tantrum last night. It was pure juvenile crying.

I have a long posting record of preferring Okafor to Noel in terms of nba talent, but I have always been open minded to the idea of Noel sticking around and Okafor being traded.

After this tirade though I now think that Noel can't stick around because he won't even tolerate being behind Embiid. He literally HAS to be traded now, which really hurts the team because Okafor is probably 75% has to be traded too.

So there is now a much smaller chance of even one of them surviving here.


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It puts pressure on the organization to either play him or trade him. That's in his best interest. The worst scenario for Noel is not playing as it could hurt his FA offers. His agent will work on other teams to convince them that his attitude will be fine once he's out of a toxic situation of a bad team who are mishandling his career.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1474 » by Negrodamus » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:11 pm

The interesting thing is that if Noel didn't say any of this, we'd all just assume that he's not 100% yet from the ankle injury and needed to take it easy.

Now a change needs to occur. More playing time or move someone. I can't blame him for taking this approach.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1475 » by ankle420breaker » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:28 pm

I just heard a rumor that BC threatened Nerlens, he said he has Jason Smith on speed dial and that he's one childish comment away from ordering up a beatdown. Nerlens reportedly woke up this morning to an R.I.P. grave outside of his front door. He's currently seeking shelter in his closet.

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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1476 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:30 pm

I'm gonna go ahead and predict that eventually Noel will be dealt in some type of deal for Jrue Holiday. Noel has been linked with the Pelicans for several months now, and the Sixers need a PG. And if you believe insiders, the Pelicans really want another defensive big to pair with Davis.

Jrue has been oft-injured, so I think they'd be willing to part with him, but who the hell knows. I think that's the best we're gonna do for Noel value-wise.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1477 » by hookshot199 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:34 pm

Ericb5 wrote:I said at the beginning of the season that I respected the comments that Noel made, but he has now gone too far.

It is in NOBODY'S best interest for him to have that tantrum last night. It was pure juvenile crying.

I have a long posting record of preferring Okafor to Noel in terms of nba talent, but I have always been open minded to the idea of Noel sticking around and Okafor being traded.

After this tirade though I now think that Noel can't stick around because he won't even tolerate being behind Embiid. He literally HAS to be traded now, which really hurts the team because Okafor is probably 75% has to be traded too.

So there is now a much smaller chance of even one of them surviving here.

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I often agree with your opinions, but this incident was Bret Brown instigated on two counts. He has known since before the season began that he was going to have to divide minutes indefinitely. And several days ago, he opened his big mouth in public (I prefer to use the 'M word but don't forum guidelines) declaring that Noel would be "a reserve defensive specialist."

He hadn't seen them play together yet. Shut up, Brown.

Because if anyone should go at this time, he should him. I suspect that he's going at the end of the season and that the Colangelos retained him because there would have been too much blowback had they replaced him after Hinkie (and I'm a huge Hinkie fan) screwed up last season. It would appeared unfair to the fan base.

Brown has three jobs: One is Xs and Os. A second is to have his team ready to compete every night. And a third is to develop young players. He's mediocre-to-almost-unwatchable on the first. He gets a pass on the second because of the injuries. And the third, the fact that Embiid and Okafor seem lost when they're playing together means he hasn't put a great deal of effort into this issue. Which is THE ISSUE for the team for the next two to five months.

Last night was ugly. The 'team' - including Okafor and Embiid - didn't play with intensity for parts of the game. The correct thing for Brown to have done would have been to sit anyone not playing with intensity. Send a message.

The best thing for him to do now is call four closed door meetings - separate meetings with Okaor, Embiid and Noel and then one with the team - and cool things down.

If someone has to go, it should be Brown.

And Josh Harris and the Colangelos need to tell him to stop 'M-ing' in public. They need data before making a precipitous move.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1478 » by Ericb5 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:34 pm

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Ericb5 wrote:I said at the beginning of the season that I respected the comments that Noel made, but he has now gone too far.

It is in NOBODY'S best interest for him to have that tantrum last night. It was pure juvenile crying.

I have a long posting record of preferring Okafor to Noel in terms of nba talent, but I have always been open minded to the idea of Noel sticking around and Okafor being traded.

After this tirade though I now think that Noel can't stick around because he won't even tolerate being behind Embiid. He literally HAS to be traded now, which really hurts the team because Okafor is probably 75% has to be traded too.

So there is now a much smaller chance of even one of them surviving here.


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It puts pressure on the organization to either play him or trade him. That's in his best interest. The worst scenario for Noel is not playing as it could hurt his FA offers. His agent will work on other teams to convince them that his attitude will be fine once he's out of a toxic situation of a bad team who are mishandling his career.


The organization is under pressure already to trade Noel. What he just did is show the rest of the league that he isn't a team player. He is hurting himself, and the team by doing this.


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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1479 » by Negrodamus » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:48 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
cellar-door wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:I said at the beginning of the season that I respected the comments that Noel made, but he has now gone too far.

It is in NOBODY'S best interest for him to have that tantrum last night. It was pure juvenile crying.

I have a long posting record of preferring Okafor to Noel in terms of nba talent, but I have always been open minded to the idea of Noel sticking around and Okafor being traded.

After this tirade though I now think that Noel can't stick around because he won't even tolerate being behind Embiid. He literally HAS to be traded now, which really hurts the team because Okafor is probably 75% has to be traded too.

So there is now a much smaller chance of even one of them surviving here.


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It puts pressure on the organization to either play him or trade him. That's in his best interest. The worst scenario for Noel is not playing as it could hurt his FA offers. His agent will work on other teams to convince them that his attitude will be fine once he's out of a toxic situation of a bad team who are mishandling his career.


The organization is under pressure already to trade Noel. What he just did is show the rest of the league that he isn't a team player. He is hurting himself, and the team by doing this.


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Then keep him. He's lowered his contract value, if what you said is true. And all he really cares about is having a chance to play the game he's being paid to play. He also happens to be really good too.
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Post#1480 » by ankle420breaker » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:55 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
cellar-door wrote:It puts pressure on the organization to either play him or trade him. That's in his best interest. The worst scenario for Noel is not playing as it could hurt his FA offers. His agent will work on other teams to convince them that his attitude will be fine once he's out of a toxic situation of a bad team who are mishandling his career.


The organization is under pressure already to trade Noel. What he just did is show the rest of the league that he isn't a team player. He is hurting himself, and the team by doing this.


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Then keep him. He's lowered his contract value, if what you said is true. And all he really cares about is having a chance to play the game he's being paid to play. He also happens to be really good too.

He's good, but hasn't proved to be "really good." Painfully average rebounder, pushover in the post, rarely asserts himself as a rim protector, zero offensive talent.

Decent overall defensive instincts, but he's no DPOY candidate. Could be an alright backup to Embiid, but probably won't live up to the contract he'll demand.



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