Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[BullyKing]

You don't think Harris would take $170/5 yrs? His next best offer is $140/4.

JJ signed at $9 mil/yr is more than fair after what he's already received from us. What do you think his market value is?

DLO I agree we'd have to sign to a max. Even if we did, that's only $2-3 mil off what's in that capulator for his 2019-20 salary.

Scott taking $2 mil is an easy yes for him. Jeff Green and Brook Lopez both took vet mins last year and are superior players.

Aminu at $8 mil is just an example. If we can't afford him, then go for someone cheaper like Demarre Caroll, Ariza, Vonleh, etc.

The point is we would still have space to build a roster around Ben/Embiid/DLO/Harris. I know you get off on taking your job too seriously and critiquing every post related to the cap but maybe you could take a less literal/rigid approach when reading possible scenarios?

What job do I take too seriously? You posted your opinion, I responded that I thought it was unrealistic. Get over yourself or learn to take feedback to your proposals.

Maybe you're the one that needs to get over yourself by not thinking your "feedback" or opinions are most realistic than everyone else's?

Dude, all I said was that I thought your projections were unrealistic and that it required multiple guys to accept below market value - something you agreed with for at least DLO and Aminu. I'm not sure how much softer I can express my own opinion without running afoul of your delicate sensitivities.

[ProcessDoctor]

What job do I take too seriously? You posted your opinion, I responded that I thought it was unrealistic. Get over yourself or learn to take feedback to your proposals.

Maybe you're the one that needs to get over yourself by not thinking your "feedback" or opinions are most realistic than everyone else's?

Dude, all I said was that I thought your projections were unrealistic and that it required multiple guys to accept below market value - something you agreed with for at least DLO and Aminu. I'm not sure how much softer I can express my own opinion without running afoul of your delicate sensitivities.

You should issue yourself a warning for that personal attack. Or is that not how this works?

[Arsenal]

I'd try to get Tobias with the following contract:

5 years / $160M. Flat $32M each year. 5th year is a player option. That 5th year $32M player option is big in case of injury or a decline in performance. That might be enough to have him forgo 4 / $140M elsewhere.

[BullyKing]

Maybe you're the one that needs to get over yourself by not thinking your "feedback" or opinions are most realistic than everyone else's?

Dude, all I said was that I thought your projections were unrealistic and that it required multiple guys to accept below market value - something you agreed with for at least DLO and Aminu. I'm not sure how much softer I can express my own opinion without running afoul of your delicate sensitivities.

You should issue yourself a warning for that personal attack. Or is that not how this works?

Feel free to report it to another mod. It will be easier for them if you start with the post where you went after me because I disagreed with your post and apparently ruined your little day. Or, just throwing it out there, you could respond with arguments why you think the valuations you placed on this people are realistic.

[Slacktard]

All of us are just speculating... But Tobias is 3 years younger than Butler. I think 5 years matters less to Tobias(who could look to another 4 or 5 year deal) than it does to Jimmy who wants max money and years for what may be his only big contract.

If the Sixers are not offering max money and making Tobias seem like a priority there will be other teams pursuing him immediately who do offer max money and make him feel more wanted.

[zimpy27]

Are DLo/Jimmy, Brogdon/Jimmy, Jimmy/Horford, Dlo/Harris or Brogdon/Harris a better option than Jimmy/Tobias?

I personally think Brogdon/Harris or Brogdon/Jimmy offers the best balance.

Brogdon, Redick, Butler, Simmons, Embiid
Brogdon, Redick, Simmons, Harris, Embiid

I like the balance better for either team.

[cool93]

Are Jimmy/DLo, Jimmy/Brogdon or Jimmy/Horford a better option than Jimmy/Tobias?

Jimmy/Tobias is the best option. Jimmy/Horford would be better for next season, but giving 33 year Al 4/100 is a no-no.

[zimpy27]

Are Jimmy/DLo, Jimmy/Brogdon or Jimmy/Horford a better option than Jimmy/Tobias?

Jimmy/Tobias is the best option. Jimmy/Horford would be better for next season, but giving 33 year Al 4/100 is a no-no.

Butler/Simmons/Horford/Embiid would definitely be a strong antidote to Giannis

[ProcessDoctor]

Sorry for raining on your parade that I don't think its realistic for DLO and Harris to both sign under max, Redick and Aminu taking $8 million a year and Scott taking $2 million.

That's true, so here is what is realistic...

We can sign both D'Lo and Harris to the MAX. Wait to sign Harris until after we use up all the cap space. D'Lo signs for $27M, leaves us $12M more in cap. Use that to sign Danny Green. Then resign Harris w/Bird Rights to the MAX.

Try to convince Redick to come back for vet min as we'll have his full Bird Rights next summer. We can make him whole with a 1 year large balloon payment then, like the Spurs did recently w/Ginobili. If he leaves, no big deal.

Prob won't get Aminu w/the Room Exception, but could sign a guy like DeMarre Carroll instead.

See here:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=21262888155d0f9ddbbcc5b993234580

PG Russell | Redick | ???
SG Green | Smith | Shake
SF Harris | Thybulle | ???
PF Simmons | Carroll | ???
CE Embiid | ??? |Bolden

Team is still comfortably below the luxury tax this year, even after signing a few more vet mins to round out the roster. That's important because we'll be well over the tax in the future, so delaying 1 more year before facing the dreaded repeater tax is huge.

I don't mind maxing both of those guys. Another option to what we've been discussing could be to use the leftover cap on JJ ($9 mil/year) and Noah Vonleh ($4.5 mil/year) and then use the MLE on Carroll.

We could also see if Scott and/or Boban would come back on vet mins. If not, then find similar level talents for the min.

Simmons/Milton
Russell/Redick/Smith
Carroll/Thybulle/Shayock
Harris/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/Vonleh/Boban

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=5508052875d0fc419107a9053935305

[Arsenal]

Are DLo/Jimmy, Brogdon/Jimmy, Jimmy/Horford, Dlo/Harris or Brogdon/Harris a better option than Jimmy/Tobias?

I personally think Brogdon/Harris or Brogdon/Jimmy offers the best balance.

Brogdon, Redick, Butler, Simmons, Embiid
Brogdon, Redick, Simmons, Harris, Embiid

I like the balance better for either team.

Brogdon might be ok but he's an RFA and I see no chance the Bucks let him walk unless we totally overpay, like with a MAX. So no thanks unless they let him become a UFA.

Same deal with D'Lo. No interest if he is an RFA. However if they renounce him to sign Kyrie + KD then I'm interested.

[zimpy27]

Are DLo/Jimmy, Brogdon/Jimmy, Jimmy/Horford, Dlo/Harris or Brogdon/Harris a better option than Jimmy/Tobias?

I personally think Brogdon/Harris or Brogdon/Jimmy offers the best balance.

Brogdon, Redick, Butler, Simmons, Embiid
Brogdon, Redick, Simmons, Harris, Embiid

I like the balance better for either team.

Brogdon might be ok but he's an RFA and I see no chance the Bucks let him walk unless we totally overpay, like with a MAX. So no thanks unless they let him become a UFA.

Same deal with D'Lo. No interest if he is an RFA. However if they renounce him to sign Kyrie + KD then I'm interested.

Brogdon had better efficiency than Tobias last season with less usage. He is also a better defender than Tobias for his position.

His max is 5m cheaper than Tobias's max. Philly should definitely look to max him. He also.clashes less with Simmons/Butler.

[Slacktard]

I don't see the Bucks letting Brogdon go. They would have long-term luxury tax issues, but that's not until Giannis signs his supermax down the road. So they could easily trade Brogdon later this year or next off-season after matching his RFA offer.

So I just see it as wasting 48 hours while other teams could be signing FAs and reducing your options.

[Negrodamus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c46lva/stephen_a_smith_they_swear_up_and_down_they_want/

Not that Stephen A Smith has dubious insight, but here's something he said about the situation.

[ProcessDoctor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c46lva/stephen_a_smith_they_swear_up_and_down_they_want/

Not that Stephen A Smith has dubious insight, but here's something he said about the situation.

Surprising take. Both seem like they would sacrifice whatever it takes to win.

[fl311]

It’s not Tobias and Jimmy that have issues with each other. They have a similar “problem”

[the_process]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c46lva/stephen_a_smith_they_swear_up_and_down_they_want/

Not that Stephen A Smith has dubious insight, but here's something he said about the situation.

Surprising take. Both seem like they would sacrifice whatever it takes to win.

It’s surprising in that I don’t see either of them turning down 5-188. I mean, you can always have a wink wink understanding that next summer they’ll be traded after another title run.

[the_process]

It’s not Tobias and Jimmy that have issues with each other. They have a similar “problem”

Is Elton prepared to trade “the problem”?

[PhilasFinest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c46lva/stephen_a_smith_they_swear_up_and_down_they_want/

Not that Stephen A Smith has dubious insight, but here's something he said about the situation.

I could see it being true and I have honestly been wondering if this type of scenario (just bringing back 1 of Harris/Butler) would be better for the team.

I don't care about the money or all that "I just wanna win" talk. Guys want to be stars and be the best versions of themselves.They want to be all-stars and they want to be viewed in a positive light.When you're the 3rd or 4th option, I think thats hard to accomplish & is a tough pill to swallow for A LOT of players around the league.


Signing in Philly, you are essentially agreeing to become a 3rd/4th banana.

[fl311]

It’s not Tobias and Jimmy that have issues with each other. They have a similar “problem”

Is Elton prepared to trade “the problem”?

Not right now. He needs to sell those two on the “problem” improving.

[ProcessDoctor]

It’s not Tobias and Jimmy that have issues with each other. They have a similar “problem”

Is Elton prepared to trade “the problem”?

Not right now. He needs to sell those two on the “problem” improving.

Either way, it's going to be hard to get fair value for the "problem."