The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[the_process]

The rational ones wouldn't consider it. But there's quite a few that would.

The only rational for 76ers is that they need a player who can be a legit number 2 scorer to play off Joel Embied. The better options for the 76ers for Simmons would be either D'Angelo Russell or Bradley Beal would likely to be a straight up player for player swope. Whereas the Bulls would likely have to include additional assets to make up a rational trade offer. Plus if you look at the numbers Lavine, Beal and Russell have similar offensive stat lines.

Trading Simmons for any of those guys lowers the ceiling of the team. Beal probably makes you immediately a little better, Russell about the same (just different), and LaVine makes you worse. Ben's just gotta shoot the damn ball. Only way he gets moved is if a legit star wants out.

But Ben is clearly not just going to shoot it.

[XtremeDunkz]

Would you folks be open to trading Ben Simmons for Zach Lavine? If so what would you ask for in addition to Lavine?

Good god no.

But this board is filled with ShOoTiG memeheads. Zach is a good scorer, but his iq is suspect and he's a chucker. The only moves I'm interested in is a Tobias Harris trade on December 15th for Beal (most desirable) or McCollum (less desirable, but still a deal I do rather quickly)

Tobi aint getting moved. Thats how Brand would make sure he never gets another front office job. You dont trade a max contract player months after signing.

[stormi]

Would you folks be open to trading Ben Simmons for Zach Lavine? If so what would you ask for in addition to Lavine?

Good god no.

But this board is filled with ShOoTiG memeheads. Zach is a good scorer, but his iq is suspect and he's a chucker. The only moves I'm interested in is a Tobias Harris trade on December 15th for Beal (most desirable) or McCollum (less desirable, but still a deal I do rather quickly)

Tobi aint getting moved. Thats how Brand would make sure he never gets another front office job. You dont trade a max contract player months after signing.

you must retain your assets. i think brand showed last year that he isn't afraid to shake the roster up and if a star player becomes available i'm sure he'll swoop.

[stormi]

The only rational for 76ers is that they need a player who can be a legit number 2 scorer to play off Joel Embied. The better options for the 76ers for Simmons would be either D'Angelo Russell or Bradley Beal would likely to be a straight up player for player swope. Whereas the Bulls would likely have to include additional assets to make up a rational trade offer. Plus if you look at the numbers Lavine, Beal and Russell have similar offensive stat lines.

Trading Simmons for any of those guys lowers the ceiling of the team. Beal probably makes you immediately a little better, Russell about the same (just different), and LaVine makes you worse. Ben's just gotta shoot the damn ball. Only way he gets moved is if a legit star wants out.

But Ben is clearly not just going to shoot it.

ben not shooting it >>>> zach lavine

[stormi]

the only way i'm trading Ben is if a Dame, Luka or Fox can be attained. if not then i'm passing

[youngcrev]

Would you folks be open to trading Ben Simmons for Zach Lavine? If so what would you ask for in addition to Lavine?

Good god no.

But this board is filled with ShOoTiG memeheads. Zach is a good scorer, but his iq is suspect and he's a chucker. The only moves I'm interested in is a Tobias Harris trade on December 15th for Beal (most desirable) or McCollum (less desirable, but still a deal I do rather quickly)

Tobi aint getting moved. Thats how Brand would make sure he never gets another front office job. You dont trade a max contract player months after signing.

Does that same rationale not apply to Ben?

[youngcrev]

The only rational for 76ers is that they need a player who can be a legit number 2 scorer to play off Joel Embied. The better options for the 76ers for Simmons would be either D'Angelo Russell or Bradley Beal would likely to be a straight up player for player swope. Whereas the Bulls would likely have to include additional assets to make up a rational trade offer. Plus if you look at the numbers Lavine, Beal and Russell have similar offensive stat lines.

Trading Simmons for any of those guys lowers the ceiling of the team. Beal probably makes you immediately a little better, Russell about the same (just different), and LaVine makes you worse. Ben's just gotta shoot the damn ball. Only way he gets moved is if a legit star wants out.

But Ben is clearly not just going to shoot it.

Ever? Or this year?

[Kobblehead]

the only way i'm trading Ben is if a Dame, Luka or Fox can be attained. if not then i'm passing

DeAaron Fox?

Why would you put him on a list of desirable upgrades from Ben?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You can't trade Ben until the offseason since his extension doesn't kick in till July 1, 2020. It kind of limits what you'd be able to trade him for during the season, since he is better than most guys on their rookie deals, only guy with an argument for being better is Ingram but that would mean you wouldn't have a PG. I wouldn't trade Simmons for Russell, even though it may actually make the Sixers a better team they would be giving the Warriors their Draymond replacement. Also, trading for Russell would be an admission of failure, since they had a chance to sign him.

Only way Ben gets traded during the season is if the Pelicans don't want to pay Ingram and offer one of the Laker picks with Ingram, and you try to run an offense like the Clippers who don't have a PG either. Outside of that, the best returns for him are in the offseason if it comes to that.

[XtremeDunkz]

Good god no.

But this board is filled with ShOoTiG memeheads. Zach is a good scorer, but his iq is suspect and he's a chucker. The only moves I'm interested in is a Tobias Harris trade on December 15th for Beal (most desirable) or McCollum (less desirable, but still a deal I do rather quickly)

Tobi aint getting moved. Thats how Brand would make sure he never gets another front office job. You dont trade a max contract player months after signing.

Does that same rationale not apply to Ben?

Ben wont get traded this year even just for the fact that his extension doesnt kick in until next year. Getting proper value and matching salaries is virtually impossible until the summer. Ive never said Ben should get moved this year.

[stormi]

the only way i'm trading Ben is if a Dame, Luka or Fox can be attained. if not then i'm passing

DeAaron Fox?

Why would you put him on a list of desirable upgrades from Ben?

he's way better than zach lavine lol

[Kobblehead]

he's way better than zach lavine lol

No he's not. Fox has his own struggles in the halfcourt and has been an inefficient mess in the NBA. Fox is barely a better fit than Ben, especially if Brett won't let him run pick and roll. Just a weird inclusion to your list.

[sodmoraes]

I get it , simmons has a big ceiling, but reaching that ceiling is very improbable. He's not a scorer and will never be.his ceiling is lebron lite, but he will never achieve that. Shooting isnt in his DNA sadly.

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[stormi]

he's way better than zach lavine lol

No he's not. Fox has his own struggles in the halfcourt and has been an inefficient mess in the NBA. Fox is barely a better fit than Ben, especially if Brett won't let him run pick and roll. Just a weird inclusion to your list.

> inefficient mess
> clamoring for zach lavine

tears.

you're exaggerating, fox has been extremely good for a 21 year old on both sides of the basketball and would take his game to the next getting to play next to Embiid and even average Al. Lavine is a Denver JR Smith that chucks up shots for days statpadding numbers and plays no defense because he plays on a bad team ala: zero expectation.

[stormi]

I get it , simmons has a big ceiling, but reaching that ceiling is very improbable. He's not a scorer and will never be.his ceiling is lebron lite, but he will never achieve that. Shooting isnt in his DNA sadly.

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the not shooting thing is becoming alarming, but the people that try and imply that he's no longer a great young talent because he won't jack up three pointers are being emotional.

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he does need to start shooting the open midranges when they're available though. I blame Brett Brown more than anything though who'd rather be a best friend rather than a tactician.

[Kobblehead]

Are we sure he even has a high ceiling? Usually development trajectory is indicative of upside left to reach. A guy with no improvement year after year (like Ben) typically suggests he's already peaked or has very little upside left to reach.

Compare the development trajectory of Ben to guys in his draft class (Siakam, Ingram, Murray, Brown, Sabonis etc). Even guys we thought had marginal upside like Brogdon and Hield have had a better development trajectory than Ben.

[Kobblehead]

> inefficient mess
> clamoring for zach lavine

What? Lavine was WAY more raw than Fox yet he was WAY more efficient than Fox at the same ages.

Zach Lavine: 54.7% scoring efficiency
DeAaron Fox: 51.8% scoring efficiency

Zach Lavine as a #1 option: 55.5% scoring efficiency on 21.7 ppg

Stud

[sodmoraes]

Are we sure he even has a high ceiling? Usually development trajectory is indicative of upside left to reach. A guy with no improvement year after year (like Ben) typically suggests he's already peaked or has very little upside left to reach.

Compare the development trajectory of Ben to guys in his draft class (Siakam, Ingram, Murray, Brown, Sabonis etc). Even guys we thought had marginal upside like Brogdon and Hield have had a better development trajectory than Ben.

Yeah, im thinking he's close to his peak already. Simmons without shooting is a bigger rondo. Rondo atleast shot a little and could hit some ft's...

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[Kobblehead]

All the facts and evidence suggests that Ben peaked as a 17 year old and has been riding out a 6 year plateau. There has been no statistical or skillset tweaking that we can point to as improvement.

[stormi]

> inefficient mess
> clamoring for zach lavine

What? Lavine was WAY more raw than Fox yet he was WAY more efficient than Fox at the same ages.

Zach Lavine: 54.7% scoring efficiency
DeAaron Fox: 51.8% scoring efficiency

Zach Lavine as a #1 option: 55.5% scoring efficiency on 21.7 ppg

Stud

being a pure scorer shooting 43/36/80 while chucking 20 shots a game with no defensive iq or passing ability.

Lmao one Tobias Harris wasn't enough lets double it up