Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Sportfan73]

Simmons is gone

That’s what is up with him

Like not making it to opening night gone

The timing of a trade is not up to him but I will be surprised if he comes back just to be a good soldier while waiting to be moved

Too much water under the bridge

I just don’t see the timing going that far obviously it’s not under his control at all but the longer teams wait the harder it is to integrate him. Same with us if we’re getting a starter or two. We better at least get one

[sixers4real]

Guys, how about we discuss what to do with the Roster without Ben?

I think we need a defensive wing.
- Cheap alternatives are Gary Clark and Anthony Tolliver, Morey went to this route last season.
- Thad is underrated
- Maybe Paul Reed is ready

I think Maxey and Shake can step up and more than replace what Ben brings on offense. There will be some early pains but it will be OK once we get our rhythm. A couple of guys who I like are Jordan Poole and Immanuel Quickley.

And if we are going to take a breather, in a scenario where we look hopeless to be a contender, I’d like to trade for Cam Thomas with a trade where we give Nets a defensive player (Danny Green, Jaden Springer and Drummond?) off a three way deal.

I don’t think they make any trade before they decide what’s up with Simmons.

It’s clear they are starting Maxey and running full bench line-up of Milton, Kork, Tisse, Niang, Drummond.

I’d say they are doing all the right things as of now, at least I predicted all of that to happen the way it’s happening.

And lol at trading Danny Green for Cam Thomas. Danny is very important for us. As he was for his previous three NBA title teams.

Simmons is gone

That’s what is up with him

Of course he is. What i meant is they won’t make any trades before good or great offer comes for Simmons. And I don’t think it’ll happen before mid December.

As of now, enjoy the players we have. I’m looking forward to seeing improved Maxey, Thybulle, Milton. And improved bench. I think we going to be just fine.

Morey won’t panic. And I love it.

[syntax]

I think it’s weeks in the making.

Sixers know at one point this news about them not paying Ben would take place, and in today’s world they wouldnt look good after they also didnt pay their staff during pandemic and that long time sixers trainer.

So they let Embiid be the spoke person and make the spill. Which is warranted and totally fine by me because Ben asked this after his selfish actions.

So now, Ben doesnt get paid and Sixers wont be in the spotlight from the MSM and sports media

Just connecting the dots. And its non issue for me.

I just dont see how it makes sense if say Morey is in a middle of a trade talk and im pretty sure the team gave Biid the green light

Embiid made a bunch of bogus claims about Ben which makes him look extremely petty - especially when he tried to suck up to Ben to get him to play for the Sixers again and when that didn't work, changed his tune and slagged him off with his bogus claims. Situation is going well.

Never been bogus.

I dont know why there’s contradicting reports on this. But Ben and Biid have separate camps. And they have separate people in the higher ups. Its kind of US politics. Ben and Biid wanted the team to be run two different ways.

2018-2019 = Biid got what he wanted. Ben tantrums
2019-2020 = Ben got what he wanted. Biid tantrums
2020-2021 = Biid got what he wanted. Ben tantrums

Ben does not want to play with another guard. He has issues with pick and rolls and playing with Fultz and Jimmy.

In that Jimmy interview, Ben was THAT guy who Jimmy said how some players wants CARS, fame and fortune.

The team was always built around Ben - Bogus
Horford was bought in for Ben - Bogus
Butler left because of Ben - Bogus

Dude can't lie straight in bed

[Tomjas]

I don’t think they make any trade before they decide what’s up with Simmons.

It’s clear they are starting Maxey and running full bench line-up of Milton, Kork, Tisse, Niang, Drummond.

I’d say they are doing all the right things as of now, at least I predicted all of that to happen the way it’s happening.

And lol at trading Danny Green for Cam Thomas. Danny is very important for us. As he was for his previous three NBA title teams.

Simmons is gone

That’s what is up with him

Of course he is. What i meant is they won’t make any trades before good or great offer comes for Simmons. And I don’t think it’ll happen before mid December.

As of now, enjoy the players we have. I’m looking forward to seeing improved Maxey, Thybulle, Milton. And improved bench. I think we going to be just fine.

Morey won’t panic. And I love it.

I am expecting somewhere like 4-6 seed as it’s a pretty thin lineup until Simmons is replaced

Really don’t want to watch Drummond play

[Jhawk03]

I'm probably the only person on the planet who's dreamt of a scenario where Ben comes back first game of the season, and the fans give a standing ovation to the TEAM, Ben included.

I mean who are we kidding at this point? Whether you're a Ben fan supporter, or Biid or Morey, whoever. This whole drama starts and ends with Ownership vs Klutch and the media. Ben at this point liking a tweet about fines tells me he couldn't care less about the results, he just wants to play basketball to the best of his abilities, I say that because contrary to popular belief, no one here knows what's said behind closed doors between PLAYERS. We just get spoon fed media narratives and team FO's pursuit of success coupled with agents trying to keep their job.

This could easily be handled by letting Ben and his TEAMMATES ONLY, working this situation out as **** professional adults. Somebody or some group, whatever,, got into Ben's head, and the results are flat out disgusting.

[Wilfried]

I'm probably the only person on the planet who's dreamt of a scenario where Ben comes back first game of the season, and the fans give a standing ovation to the TEAM, Ben included.

I mean who are we kidding at this point? Whether you're a Ben fan supporter, or Biid or Morey, whoever. This whole drama starts and ends with Ownership vs Klutch and the media. Ben at this point liking a tweet about fines tells me he couldn't care less about the results, he just wants to play basketball to the best of his abilities, I say that because contrary to popular belief, no one here knows what's said behind closed doors between PLAYERS. We just get spoon fed media narratives and team FO's pursuit of success coupled with agents trying to keep their job.

This could easily be handled by letting Ben and his TEAMMATES ONLY, working this situation out as **** professional adults. Somebody or some group, whatever,, got into Ben's head, and the results are flat out disgusting.

Thing is, in Philadelphia, Ben is beyond the 'wants to play to the best of his abilities'. We ask him to improve his abilities or this situation is over. Everyone (also coaching and players) are done with Ben playing to the best of his abilities (I am who I am).
And Ben knows that, and takes the easy way out.
Coming back, confront the fans and developped as a player would be the hard way. But I for one knew that was never an option for Ben.

[Sportfan73]

Simmons is gone

That’s what is up with him

Of course he is. What i meant is they won’t make any trades before good or great offer comes for Simmons. And I don’t think it’ll happen before mid December.

As of now, enjoy the players we have. I’m looking forward to seeing improved Maxey, Thybulle, Milton. And improved bench. I think we going to be just fine.

Morey won’t panic. And I love it.

I am expecting somewhere like 4-6 seed as it’s a pretty thin lineup until Simmons is replaced

Really don’t want to watch Drummond play

Gotta say those who think all of the sudden in mid December teams will come ready to trade their borderline all star or all star level players are just not getting it. The more into the season the more we probably get picks

[Jhawk03]

I'm probably the only person on the planet who's dreamt of a scenario where Ben comes back first game of the season, and the fans give a standing ovation to the TEAM, Ben included.

I mean who are we kidding at this point? Whether you're a Ben fan supporter, or Biid or Morey, whoever. This whole drama starts and ends with Ownership vs Klutch and the media. Ben at this point liking a tweet about fines tells me he couldn't care less about the results, he just wants to play basketball to the best of his abilities, I say that because contrary to popular belief, no one here knows what's said behind closed doors between PLAYERS. We just get spoon fed media narratives and team FO's pursuit of success coupled with agents trying to keep their job.

This could easily be handled by letting Ben and his TEAMMATES ONLY, working this situation out as **** professional adults. Somebody or some group, whatever,, got into Ben's head, and the results are flat out disgusting.

Thing is, in Philadelphia, Ben is beyond the 'wants to play to the best of his abilities'. We ask him to improve his abilities or this situation is over. Everyone (also coaching and players) are done with Ben playing to the best of his abilities (I am who I am).
And Ben knows that, and takes the easy way out.
Coming back, confront the fans and developped as a player would be the hard way. But I for one knew that was never an option for Ben.

I get what you're saying, but consider this

When has Simmons EVER been challenged to this degree after a disappointing season? I mean look at where the blame was placed after the Celtics series 3 years ago. Then the Raptors 2 years ago. Then Celtics after getting swept last year. Now the Hawks.

Ben is finally getting the bulk of the blame FINALLY.... listen, when the Sixers got swept in the bubble, Joel responded with an MVP caliber year. I just want Ben to have the same opportunity to prove all the naysayers wrong. NOT hide behind Klutch, NOT let his camp join with the media, NOT seek to find that the grass is in fact greener (spoiler, it's not). Just come back, fulfill your contract with a chip on your shoulder. This rant isn't on Ben, but he's surrounded by children masquerading as adults who claim to have his best interest. I don't find any of this speculation about Ben true anymore, and if Ben can get over his conditioning of being defended by people who quite frankly imo don't have his best interest at heart in terms of his career, then I feel truly sorry because it's unfair to him as a professional and it won't benefit his career in the long run.

[stormi]

Of course he is. What i meant is they won’t make any trades before good or great offer comes for Simmons. And I don’t think it’ll happen before mid December.

As of now, enjoy the players we have. I’m looking forward to seeing improved Maxey, Thybulle, Milton. And improved bench. I think we going to be just fine.

Morey won’t panic. And I love it.

I am expecting somewhere like 4-6 seed as it’s a pretty thin lineup until Simmons is replaced

Really don’t want to watch Drummond play

Gotta say those who think all of the sudden in mid December teams will come ready to trade their borderline all star or all star level players are just not getting it. The more into the season the more we probably get picks

Some team will have their Butler in Minnesota moment. If the Pels start 2-9 they'll get desperate, as will the Kings or Bulls etc. Morey just has to hold fort until that moment of weakness for a franchise hits and then be ready to negotiate the swap deal of his life.

[Wilfried]

Ben is finally getting the bulk of the blame FINALLY.... listen, when the Sixers got swept in the bubble, Joel responded with an MVP caliber year. I just want Ben to have the same opportunity to prove all the naysayers wrong. NOT hide behind Klutch, NOT let his camp join with the media, NOT seek to find that the grass is in fact greener (spoiler, it's not). Just come back, fulfill your contract with a chip on your shoulder. This rant isn't on Ben, but he's surrounded by children masquerading as adults who claim to have his best interest. I don't find any of this speculation about Ben true anymore, and if Ben can get over his conditioning of being defended by people who quite frankly imo don't have his best interest at heart in terms of his career, then I feel truly sorry because it's unfair to him as a professional and it won't benefit his career in the long run.

But Ben had all the possibilities the last weeks/months to come back and prove everyone wrong. If you think it's the people around him that makes him act this way, than there's something very wrong with his attitude and mental toughness too.

He just chooses the easy way out, and I knew this the moment we lost at the Hawks (and maybe after the presser, when the heat was, finally and also justified, on him after his very bad offensive performances).
Because he knows/everyone knows he won't change or improve/develop his game. And in Philly (fans, coach, teammates) the waiting is over. And he knows that too.

He has only one real option (because improving on jump shooting isn't an option for him and frankly it's too late), and that is go to a bad team where he gets 3 more years of 'he's only a jump shot away' before the same thing happens again.

[Bum Adebayo]

I'm probably the only person on the planet who's dreamt of a scenario where Ben comes back first game of the season, and the fans give a standing ovation to the TEAM, Ben included.

I mean who are we kidding at this point? Whether you're a Ben fan supporter, or Biid or Morey, whoever. This whole drama starts and ends with Ownership vs Klutch and the media. Ben at this point liking a tweet about fines tells me he couldn't care less about the results, he just wants to play basketball to the best of his abilities, I say that because contrary to popular belief, no one here knows what's said behind closed doors between PLAYERS. We just get spoon fed media narratives and team FO's pursuit of success coupled with agents trying to keep their job.

This could easily be handled by letting Ben and his TEAMMATES ONLY, working this situation out as **** professional adults. Somebody or some group, whatever,, got into Ben's head, and the results are flat out disgusting.

Thing is, in Philadelphia, Ben is beyond the 'wants to play to the best of his abilities'. We ask him to improve his abilities or this situation is over. Everyone (also coaching and players) are done with Ben playing to the best of his abilities (I am who I am).
And Ben knows that, and takes the easy way out.
Coming back, confront the fans and developped as a player would be the hard way. But I for one knew that was never an option for Ben.

I get what you're saying, but consider this

When has Simmons EVER been challenged to this degree after a disappointing season? I mean look at where the blame was placed after the Celtics series 3 years ago. Then the Raptors 2 years ago. Then Celtics after getting swept last year. Now the Hawks.

Ben is finally getting the bulk of the blame FINALLY.... listen, when the Sixers got swept in the bubble, Joel responded with an MVP caliber year. I just want Ben to have the same opportunity to prove all the naysayers wrong. NOT hide behind Klutch, NOT let his camp join with the media, NOT seek to find that the grass is in fact greener (spoiler, it's not). Just come back, fulfill your contract with a chip on your shoulder. This rant isn't on Ben, but he's surrounded by children masquerading as adults who claim to have his best interest. I don't find any of this speculation about Ben true anymore, and if Ben can get over his conditioning of being defended by people who quite frankly imo don't have his best interest at heart in terms of his career, then I feel truly sorry because it's unfair to him as a professional and it won't benefit his career in the long run.

Ben Simmons has regressed in playoffs, REGRESSED. Every playoffs series he scores less and less compared to previous seasons. He's had plenty of opportunities and he has shown zero improvement on offense.
Yes, he probably has had a ton of "yes man" around him, but it's on him too, and when you've been surrounded by "yes man" almost all your life, you are just not going to accept to be trained or work with "no man" easily.
He is really talented so he could still be a great player if the right coach and personnel demand him to work hard and he somehow listens, but this won't happen here, time to move on.

[sixers4real]

I am expecting somewhere like 4-6 seed as it’s a pretty thin lineup until Simmons is replaced

Really don’t want to watch Drummond play

Gotta say those who think all of the sudden in mid December teams will come ready to trade their borderline all star or all star level players are just not getting it. The more into the season the more we probably get picks

Some team will have their Butler in Minnesota moment. If the Pels start 2-9 they'll get desperate, as will the Kings or Bulls etc. Morey just has to hold fort until that moment of weakness for a franchise hits and then be ready to negotiate the swap deal of his life.

Stormi, exactly.

For the bold part: not getting what exactly? Your point?
Yeah, well, okay we’re not getting it.
Morey’s thinking is quite simple.
Wolves, Pels, Kings are quite optimistic about their rosters as of now, but once the season starts, 20 games in, I predict these three teams will be bottom 5 in the West.
Ingram, Fox, Halliburton, Edwards. This players can be on the table December/January. They are kinda untouchable now, but they can be moved in a Simmons deal, eventually.
So, back to the bold part, don’t forget that Ben Simmons is a three time all-star himself. So it’s going to be a trade of all-star for an all-star or a borderline all-star. And yeah, I predict it will happen after December 15.

[Tomjas]

So playing around with teams that have expressed interest in players

Pacers get Simmons and Thybulle

Kings get Sabonis

Sixers get Brogdon, Halliburton & pick from OKC

OKC get Bagley via TPE

Kings say they’re in win now mode and Walton’s job is on the line but they don’t have the roster

Pacers have already lost Warren and LeVert for a period and knowing their luck, it will be longer than anticipated

Can see both being in market soon

[Negrodamus]

I’d rather have Brogdon and Sabonis than Ben anyway.

[Tomjas]

I’d rather have Brogdon and Sabonis than Ben anyway.

Sabonis is pretty redundant here

Probably better off with Turner

[the_process]

Embiid made a bunch of bogus claims about Ben which makes him look extremely petty - especially when he tried to suck up to Ben to get him to play for the Sixers again and when that didn't work, changed his tune and slagged him off with his bogus claims. Situation is going well.

Never been bogus.

I dont know why there’s contradicting reports on this. But Ben and Biid have separate camps. And they have separate people in the higher ups. Its kind of US politics. Ben and Biid wanted the team to be run two different ways.

2018-2019 = Biid got what he wanted. Ben tantrums
2019-2020 = Ben got what he wanted. Biid tantrums
2020-2021 = Biid got what he wanted. Ben tantrums

Ben does not want to play with another guard. He has issues with pick and rolls and playing with Fultz and Jimmy.

In that Jimmy interview, Ben was THAT guy who Jimmy said how some players wants CARS, fame and fortune.

The team was always built around Ben - Bogus
Horford was bought in for Ben - Bogus
Butler left because of Ben - Bogus

0 for 3.

[Negrodamus]

I’d rather have Brogdon and Sabonis than Ben anyway.

Sabonis is pretty redundant here

Probably better off with Turner

I’m saying from the Pacers POV. Sabonis generates around the same assists as Ben without being the PG. He’s on a different level than Ben, offensively. If they wanted more defense, they should trade Warren for someone less expensive than Ben.

[syntax]

Sabonis is Indy's franchise player. Are you that deluded you think they are throwing in a 20,12,7 guy WITH Brogdon for Simmons? I have no words.

[SixersSince82]

The team was always built around Ben - Bogus
Horford was bought in for Ben - Bogus
Butler left because of Ben - Bogus

Dude can't lie straight in bed

Agree
Agree
Disagree. Jimmy left for 3 reasons. Money, Ben and cause he always had some interest in Miami.
If the 6ers said we'll play you on ball more (like they did in round 2) and here's the max contract you deserve, Butler would have stayed. But the franchise didn't do that because they were worried more about Ben Simmons than they were about winning.

[Da Doctor]

Our resident Ben cultists are STILL defending this bum.