2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

Arsenal · Post #1461 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:29 pm

76ciology wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Ace turns down Jazz!

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/top-nba-draft-prospect-ace-bailey-declines-workout-utah-jazz

I think he wants to play for the Nets

Looks like Washington or Brooklyn. Either way, we shouldn't let him slide on down to them. Make them pay up.

Negrodamus · Post #1462 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:36 pm

Can someone provide me Alperen Senguin or Nikola Jokic's lane agility numbers or vert? I want to know how those guys did at the combine in comparison to Queen since the combine gives the full and total story on a prospect.

Mik317 · Post #1463 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:36 pm

Ainge is enough an **** and safe enough to just take him out of spite

76ciology · Post #1464 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:37 pm

1st year Vj vs 2nd year Donovan Mitchell

Negrodamus · Post #1465 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:39 pm

76ciology wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
76ciology wrote:
On a related note, Pelton is really low on him. Highest ranked player not in the top 30. He’s ranked 32nd with 1.2 WARP

What have all star's WARP scores been in college as a comparison?

His WARP has proven to be quite accurate (altho but not always), especially for bigs, it correctly identified talents like Jokic, Sengun, Capela, and several others.

Queen doesn’t meet the size threshold I look for in a paint scorer, and he lacks the perimeter skills you’d want for a dominant C scorer. He’s likely capped at around 20 PPG and tough to build around. The skill bar for alpha 4s and 5s is extremely high, there’s a reason you don’t see many bigs among the league’s top players. The ones who are up there, Wemby, Jokic, Embiid, are generational talents. Then there’s a noticeable drop-off to the next tier, guys like Sengun, Sabonis, and Siakam.

Sorry, just looked at SGA's WARP and I'm feeling comfortable not really considering WARP, particularly because he was a guy I was frothing at the mouth wanting us to get.

sodmoraes · Post #1466 » by **sodmoraes** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:41 pm

If Morey thinks Ace is BPÀ he should pick him too, idgaf if Ace will be butthurt because he wants to go to the Nets.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1467 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:45 pm

Ace best fit is philly. We have a great ballhandling wing in PG and Embiid number 1option with 3 dynamite guards in Maxey, Mccain and Grimes to cover his defiences. He can grow into a franchise in 3-4 years while developing his all around game.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1468 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:48 pm

Harper driving,size and point guard skills is special. There is nothing special about VJ he is the most over hyped 3 and D 2 guard lottery pick. He is not the next Donavan Mitchell and he may not be Quentin Grimes in the next 5 yrs either.

Mik317 · Post #1469 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:48 pm

It would be perfect for this season for us to take Ace and he pulls a Steve Francis on us

Kinda the only way this season to end honestly.

Negrodamus · Post #1470 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:57 pm

Watch on YouTube

The OG Ace Bailey. 5th ranked HS prospect Quincy Miller.

FireMorey · Post #1471 » by **FireMorey** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:01 pm

Arsenal wrote:Ace turns down Jazz!

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/top-nba-draft-prospect-ace-bailey-declines-workout-utah-jazz

Ace saw the signs. And it opened up his eyes, he saw the signs.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1472 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:05 pm

Ace to philly confirmed.

Iscull · Post #1473 » by **Iscull** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:11 pm

76ciology wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Ace turns down Jazz!

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/top-nba-draft-prospect-ace-bailey-declines-workout-utah-jazz

I think he wants to play for the Nets

Makes the most sense for what his team is claiming.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1474 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:14 pm

Iscull wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Ace turns down Jazz!

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/top-nba-draft-prospect-ace-bailey-declines-workout-utah-jazz

I think he wants to play for the Nets

Makes the most sense for what his team is claiming.

Nets aren't getting a potential star in Ace unless they pay up .

76ciology · Post #1475 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:14 pm

FireMorey wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Ace turns down Jazz!

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/top-nba-draft-prospect-ace-bailey-declines-workout-utah-jazz

Ace saw the signs. And it opened up his eyes, he saw the signs.

No one's gonna drag him up, to get into the light where he belong. But where does he belong?

Jailblazers7 · Post #1476 » by **Jailblazers7** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:15 pm

76ciology wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Ace turns down Jazz!

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/top-nba-draft-prospect-ace-bailey-declines-workout-utah-jazz

I think he wants to play for the Nets

That better be the case because if he’s trying to steer himself to Washington or New Orleans then we should probably do a wellness check on him.

76ciology · Post #1477 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:16 pm

zaz102 · Post #1478 » by **zaz102** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:17 pm

Iscull wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Ace turns down Jazz!

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/top-nba-draft-prospect-ace-bailey-declines-workout-utah-jazz

I think he wants to play for the Nets

Makes the most sense for what his team is claiming.

Nets have a bunch of firsts and can't imagine them using all four. Could there be a deal there? Not sure how much I'm interested in #19, #26, and/or #27 to move from #3 to #8.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1479 » by **Jailblazers7** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:17 pm

Nets have to be terrified of Danny Ainge right now. Utah has nothing to lose by drafting Bailey and he will absolutely turn the screws on Brooklyn if they really want him.

Iscull · Post #1480 » by **Iscull** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:17 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Queen had arguably the best March of all the freshman in this draft

Queen - 19.5ppg, 8.4 rpg, 50% FG (46% 3FG, 1.4 3PA) 78% FT, 1.1 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.5 bpg

Flagg - 17.4 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 45% FG (37% 3FG, 3.4 3PA) 89% FT, 4.8 apg, .9 spg, 2 bpg (he also had a massive April game, so he's in contention for best EOY)
Harper - N/A (only 3 games)
Bailey - N/A (only 3 games, and lol in those 3 games)
Edgecombe - 15ppg, 7.1 rpg, 42% FG (26% 3FG, 5 3PA) 74% FT, 2.4 apg, 2.1 spg, .4 bpg
T. Johnson - 16.4ppg, 3 rpg, 34% FG (42% 3FG, 6 .4 3PA) 82% FT, 3.3 apg, 1 spg, .3 bpg
Kon - 17ppg, 4.2 rpg, 52% FG (42% 3FG, 4.3 3PA) 93% FT, 3.9 apg, 1.3 spg, .2 bpg (also had an April game what was great in shooting numbers)
Fears - 22.3ppg, 4.3 rpg, 41% FT (30% 3FG, 5 3PA) 91% FT, 4.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.0 bpg

Fears and Flagg (with April; just too lazy to compile) are the same, or better) scorer than Queen. Queen had 2.9 STOCKS per game, showing two way play while being the alpha scorer. Queen had an NCAA Tourney game winner and carried his team to the Sweet 16.

I think the combine stuff is a bit overblown tbh.

You don't consider showing up fat and out of shape at the combine to be a character issue? Most important days of his life and he can't put down the Big Macs for a few weeks prior to?

He showed up how he was during the season. How is a guy who had 39 dunks and 2.9 STOCKS to end the year out of shape? He might just be bad and running around cones.

I think he's just a gamer. There are guys who are better pure basketball players than athletes. Luka, Harden, Jokic, Julius Randle, Elton Brand, Zach Randolph, Carlos Boozer, David West etc.

What should we do at #3?