Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[SJSF]

Oh and the worst coach in the world.

Exactly, this team because of DC won 14 more games. It had nothing to do with Iggy. Losing Iggy will only benefit this team in the long haul. Jrue and ET will get better . ANd hopefully we can unload him and his bloat for a better fit on this team.

[SJSF]

Brand > Iggy and next year, Jrue> Brand > Iggy. ANd Kaman is much > then Hawes which means 5-7 more wins. Next year with Kaman, we are 45-48 wins.

[Sixerscan]

Oh and the worst coach in the world.

Exactly, this team because of DC won 14 more games. It had nothing to do with Iggy. Losing Iggy will only benefit this team in the long haul. Jrue and ET will get better . ANd hopefully we can unload him and his bloat for a better fit on this team.

Brand > Iggy and next year, Jrue> Brand > Iggy. ANd Kaman is much > then Hawes which means 5-7 more wins. Next year with Kaman, we are 45-48 wins.

Yeah, it had nothing to do with Iguodala... because everyone around him got a lot better.

This is what you are saying

4=4

4+3+2+1=10

Therefore, 4 had nothing to do with going from 4 to 10. In actuality, without 4 we would only be at 6. Much like how without Iguodala this year we would have lost 50 games.

[76ciology]

Bottom line here is this..

Iguodala is not a prime commodity. As much as I want a D12 be traded here for Iguodala, my sound logic tells me that's not happening. My sound logic also tells me that some other teams do see Iguodala as a negative value, mainly because of his contract. If you're willing to look at the larger picture, we're not just trading Iggy for nothing. And if we can also get Aminu, while adding Speights or even our 2nd rounder, I'm totally fine with it.

We need a center, desperately. So desperate that I think if we replace Iggy with Kaman and Tony Allen, James Posey, Mike Pietrus, Jumaine Jones, Kyle Korver, Thabo Sefalosha, Bruce Bowen, Tayshaun Prince,Byron Russell, James Jones, Trevor Ariza, or even our own Thaddeus Young like player which is dime a dozen, I think we'd atleast be not worse than last year's team.

I think Iguodala isn't a good fit with Jrue or ET. Come on, if he was a good fit then there shouldn't be any issues ever since ET was drafted last june ("Evan Turner Effect"). Iggy is a facilitator. Jrue is a facilitator. ET is a facilitator. Even Hawes is a facilitator. How does that make Iggy a good fit with the team? Because of Iggy, Jrue sacrificed his game into more of a scorer than a facilitator. ET is now forced to be a scorer, rather than be facilitator that he was in college. Our backcourt players needs to adjust because of Iguodala's need to be a facilitator.

I don't care if Kaman is inefficient. Because we have a good coach and solid group of guys to get his game straight. He doesn't need to have the ball that much in his hands nor shoot that much on this team because he's playing with a much talented group of players that with the clipps. And don't forget that he's scheduled to step up since it is his last year on his contract.

We all know that advanced statistics isn't perfect. For the same reason that we can't justify a defensive player based on defensive ratings or a player's value on PER.

All I care is that Kaman is a much better center than Hawes or anyone we can get with the FA or at the draft. I'm OK with Kaman, because he can rebound 8 to 10rpg with 1 to 1.5bpg and score with good FG% and decent FT% (better than Iggy).

[Sixerscan]

Good post.

He's a fine fit with Holiday. Holiday's shooting balances out Iguodala's... not shooting. Iguodala's defense balances out Holiday's... not defense.

Holiday is not a pure point. He's never going to be a 10+ APG guy. Having a guy like Iguodala allows him to be more of a combo guard, which cedes to his strength. Think about how much OKC probably wishes they had someone other than Eric Maynor to share the ball with Westbrook against Dallas.

No, the problem is that he's not a fit with Turner. Turner sucked this year. So trade Turner. You apparently think he's worth more, he's certainly cheaper. So he'd probably fetch more in a trade anyway. And if you think it's so easy to replace Iguodala, surely it would be even easier to replace what Turner "produced" last year.

If people actually look at Iguodala as a negative value, then that's a reason not to trade him. He may be a negative value due to his contract to other teams, but we already owe him that contract. The game isn't "who can have the least bad contracts" it's who is the best at basketball.

Otherwise, we will just put way too much pressure on Turner and Holiday to carry the franchise (Just like Iguodala), they'll probably not live up to expectations (Just like Iguodala), we'll overpay to keep them in free agency because we "don't have any other option" (Just like Iguodala), then everyone will turn on them and demand they are traded so some shiny new rookie can play (Just like Iguodala).

[Sixerscan]

Also, what happens after next year with Kaman? Are we committing to him long term? That can get expensive, especially if we are also about to reup the rest of the guys.

Or are we dumping him and leaving us with the same hole in the middle we have now?

[76ciology]

Also, what happens after next year with Kaman? Are we committing to him long term? That can get expensive, especially if we are also about to reup the rest of the guys.

Or are we dumping him and leaving us with the same hole in the middle we have now?

My gut feeling tells me that the direction with our team right now is to compete for the next two seasons or when EB42's contract expires. It could also be a reason why there is a mutual agreement between the 76ers and Doug and why we didn't opt to sign a young coach to develop with our young guys. With that said, trading Iggy for a mere expiring and a prospect that is scheduled to mature later than 2012 is not an option. Doug Collins and Eb42 would be calling a mutiny if that happens.

With that said, here's the three most likely scenario and it's forward thinking. 

1.) Iggy for Granger or Gay
It will leave us with the same team that flirts around the first and second round for the next 5 years.

2.)Iggy for Kaman (just straight up)
We can try to sign him with a one year deal or with a qualifying offer(not sure with this). And if we ever don't resign Kaman in the 2012-2013 season, we'd have a lotto pick in the 2013 draft and a big cap space to sign a max FA or two (not sure) to play with Jrue, ET and Thad.

Jrue
ET
FA (Wilson Chandler type)
Max FA
Lotto big man.

This is the reason why I'm a big promoter of the Kaman trade. It puts us in a very advantageous position for NOW and the FUTURE.

[Sixerlover]

Us betting so much on Turner in the long run is going to leave us pretty disappointed, me thinks.

Especially if people envision him ever being much better than what Iguodala currently is. Honestly I'd package a trade around Turner + Thad + Hawes for a Marc Gasol + Mayo type deal 10 / 10 times over a Iguodala + Thad + Hawes deal for the same return (just used Thad and Hawes as fillers)

[76ciology]

I don't think that trading ET over Iggy is an option. For he doesn't hold that much value right now. Right now, he should probably get us Varejao, Bass, Haywood or some PF/C player that is acquirable with the MLE. If we're going to trade him, I'm going to atleast trade him in the deadline. Probably in a deal that is going to land us Bogut or Nene. 

 I don't think this whole scenario is going to play out till the deadline. And still, I think the best way to escape this mediocrity is a lotto pick and a max FA in 2013 to play with Jrue and ET.

 If you trade ET, you get a 2nd to 3rd round team. If you trade Iggy and be patient to shoot two birds in one stone for just the 2012-2013 season, you get a potential championship contender.

[Sixerlover]

 If you trade ET, you get a 2nd to 3rd round team. If you trade Iggy and be patient to shoot two birds in one stone for just the 2012-2013 season, you get a potential championship contender.

Your entire post was semi-reasonable and a valid argument until this post. You do know that's entirely in theory right? Nothing there is a fact.

And random enough, but isn't a 3rd round team aka a conference final team a championship contender? just something I saw and it was kind of funny.

[ITK9]

Us betting so much on Turner in the long run is going to leave us pretty disappointed, me thinks.

Especially if people envision him ever being much better than what Iguodala currently is. Honestly I'd package a trade around Turner + Thad + Hawes for a Marc Gasol + Mayo type deal 10 / 10 times over a Iguodala + Thad + Hawes deal for the same return (just used Thad and Hawes as fillers)

I'm not really ok with trading Turner rather than Iggy BUT that trade would be amazing.Jrue/Mayo/Iggy/Brand/Gasol would be a great starting 5.

[P2K]

Great? I can understand Gasol some, but Mayo?

[ChuckS]

Let me preface this with the obvious. I admit to not understanding "Philadelphian" and hence have tried to stay away from this thread. But I still haven't been able to escape the thinking.

In an interview after our exit from the playoffs Collins made comments which seemed comparable to some fan thinking. I apologize for not being able to provide the "cite" Tom provided so I am paraphrasing.

He, as have others, noted the changing face of the NBA and the new younger superstars leading their teams over older superstars and past champions. He closed by saying that we lost but were in good shape because we have eight players twenty two years old or younger.

I believe Doug to be an honorable man. I'm convinced his was an effort in encouragement and ego and morale boosting. I'm certain it was not intended as duplicitous.

It seems obvious that DC has the basketball knowledge to realize the Jrue Holiday is no Derrick Rose, Evan Turner is no LBJ, Jodie Meeks is no Dwayne Wade, Lou Williams is no Russell Westbrook, Thad Young is no Kevin Durant, and Spencer Hawes is no Dwight Howard.

I think he likes his guys, and who would not? They are fine young players. I just hope that somewhere deep in his subconscious he realizes that they are not a future championship squad.

I think our thinking is somewhat screwed up. In one of her trade Iggy posts Kate Fagan wrote that Elton Brand would not hurt us through his contract because he is a good complement to Jrue, Meeks, etc. That's like saying that Michael Jordan was a good complement to Steve Kerr.

Getting to the point, that is why I think it might be somewhat simplistic to be so certain that dumping Dre, except in an excellent trade, will solve our basketball problems. It does not seem that we even consider the fact that not all young basketball players are equal.

Our best, Jrue Holiday, made a big jump from his freshman year, and I think might become even better. He's a top thirty point guard so he certainly is an NBA starter. I just think we are too anxious to see him and Evan replacing Iguodala. I do not think there was one basketball measure in which he equaled Andre, even those that you would expect a lead guard to be better at than a two/three.

Trusting our chances to Evan Turner next year is an even greater leap of faith. It seems to me that with most superstars we saw evidences of greatness very early. I keep reading that Evan Turner was always a slow starter. I pray that is the case, because he certainly showed very little last year and actually was listed as twentieth in his rookie class. I just cannot feel the thrill of replacing our only NBA top ten player at his positions in such a crap shoot.

[Kobblehead]

Bottom line here is this..

Iguodala is not a prime commodity. As much as I want a D12 be traded here for Iguodala, my sound logic tells me that's not happening. My sound logic also tells me that some other teams do see Iguodala as a negative value, mainly because of his contract. If you're willing to look at the larger picture, we're not just trading Iggy for nothing. And if we can also get Aminu, while adding Speights or even our 2nd rounder, I'm totally fine with it.

We need a center, desperately. So desperate that I think if we replace Iggy with Kaman and Tony Allen, James Posey, Mike Pietrus, Jumaine Jones, Kyle Korver, Thabo Sefalosha, Bruce Bowen, Tayshaun Prince,Byron Russell, James Jones, Trevor Ariza, or even our own Thaddeus Young like player which is dime a dozen, I think we'd atleast be not worse than last year's team.

I think Iguodala isn't a good fit with Jrue or ET. Come on, if he was a good fit then there shouldn't be any issues ever since ET was drafted last june ("Evan Turner Effect"). Iggy is a facilitator. Jrue is a facilitator. ET is a facilitator. Even Hawes is a facilitator. How does that make Iggy a good fit with the team? Because of Iggy, Jrue sacrificed his game into more of a scorer than a facilitator. ET is now forced to be a scorer, rather than be facilitator that he was in college. Our backcourt players needs to adjust because of Iguodala's need to be a facilitator.

I don't care if Kaman is inefficient. Because we have a good coach and solid group of guys to get his game straight. He doesn't need to have the ball that much in his hands nor shoot that much on this team because he's playing with a much talented group of players that with the clipps. And don't forget that he's scheduled to step up since it is his last year on his contract.

We all know that advanced statistics isn't perfect. For the same reason that we can't justify a defensive player based on defensive ratings or a player's value on PER.

All I care is that Kaman is a much better center than Hawes or anyone we can get with the FA or at the draft. I'm OK with Kaman, because he can rebound 8 to 10rpg with 1 to 1.5bpg and score with good FG% and decent FT% (better than Iggy).

But but but Iguodala is our best playerrrrrr. Trade ETTTTTTTT

[SJSF]

There are so many people on here that want to win 40 games. Let it be known there is a salary cap in the NBA. Which means if you have a guy under a rookie contract making 3-5m a year and he is pretty good. You are not going to trade him. ALso, if you have a player on your team that is not making your team better or has already maxxed out his game. Its time to trade him for another piece and go in another direction. This is not rocket science. Its time to make a move with Iggy, unless you want another 40 win season and just hit rewind of this year. And the worst part is that he takes the ball away from Jrue and ET. The hope and dreams of this franchise in being a top 3 team in the conference lies on our youth getting better. ANd that is fine. BUt you can't hold them back. ANd you can't have wasted money on the roster. THis team needs front court help. NOt backcourt help.

[HartfordWhalers]

So if Iguodala has a higher career TS%, efg%, and FT% then Kaman, can we give up on justifying a swap based on Kamn's shooting?

Then it can be back to Kamans supperior defensive prowess.

[Kobblehead]

So if Iguodala has a higher career TS%, efg%, and FT% then Kaman, can we give up on justifying a swap based on Kamn's shooting?

Then it can be back to Kamans supperior defensive prowess.

I don't think anyone cares about that. Kamen is a low-risk, high-reward move. Even in the worst case scenario (Kamen misses 40 games) it doesn't matter because him and Andre are both off our books this time next year.

[Sixerscan]

There are so many people on here that want to win 40 games. Let it be known there is a salary cap in the NBA. Which means if you have a guy under a rookie contract making 3-5m a year and he is pretty good. You are not going to trade him. ALso, if you have a player on your team that is not making your team better or has already maxxed out his game. Its time to trade him for another piece and go in another direction.

But Turner isn't good. He's 22 years old and didn't even make an all rookie team. Let's trade him now while some team still thinks he has value (As you said, he's cheap). He COULD be good, he could also be out of the league in 3 years. Personally, I don't think it's that bad, but I don't think he'll ever be at Iguodala's level.

76ciology:

How can you believe in a Turner/Holiday backcourt when you don't even think they can make the playoffs two years down the road? It's not like they'll be rookies at that point, Holiday will be a free agent at the end of that season! If they can't make the playoffs with Brand/Young/some hawes-like center/others, then we are screwed. We certainly won't be an attractive free agent destination.

In any event, any plan that involves a starting line up three years down the road that you can't name 60% of the guys in it is probably not the most prudent plan.

[Kobblehead]

he could also be out of the league in 3 years.

Check yourself.

[Kobblehead]

There are so many people on here that want to win 40 games. Let it be known there is a salary cap in the NBA.

Truth.