2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread III

LloydFree · Post #1481 » by **LloydFree** » Thu May 18, 2017 12:48 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Who are the best shooting point guards after Ball Fultz Fox Smith? Basically who could be there from pick 20-30?

Easy. Juwan Evans. He has more PG skills than DeAaron Fox and he's just as quick. His only problem is he's only 6'0. If the 76ers waste the #3 over-all pick on Fox, knowing you can get a Juwan Evans in the mid-late 1st round, I'm going to be pretty pissed.

Kobblehead · Post #1482 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu May 18, 2017 12:55 am

Yeah, Jawun Evans might legitimately have the best PG instincts in this entire draft. I won't go as far as Gottlieb and say he's the next Chris Paul (because he'll be bad defensively), but dude should be getting way more late lotto love.

Guys that reach a high level of play as sophomores have upside, too. They seem to get shafted and ignored in discussions of potential and upside. It took Donovan Mitchell a combine to finally get to where he belonged.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1483 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:05 am

Juwan Evans is not a 1st round draft pick...

LloydFree · Post #1484 » by **LloydFree** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:16 am

Kobblehead wrote:Yeah, Jawun Evans might legitimately have the best PG instincts in this entire draft. I won't go as far as Gottlieb and say he's the next Chris Paul (because he'll be bad defensively), but dude should be getting way more late lotto love.

Guys that reach a high level of play as sophomores have upside, too. They seem to get shafted and ignored in discussions of potential and upside. It took Donovan Mitchell a combine to finally get to where he belonged.

He's been in my top 15 since January. He's an NBA player. The only question is will he get drafted by a team that gives him the opportunity. Everybody has PGs, so the position isn't valued highly. There is no scarcity. But that's why you don't waste a top pick on a guy like Fox. You can get guys like him in the late lottery to mid-1st every other year.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1485 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:25 am

LloydFree wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Yeah, Jawun Evans might legitimately have the best PG instincts in this entire draft. I won't go as far as Gottlieb and say he's the next Chris Paul (because he'll be bad defensively), but dude should be getting way more late lotto love.

Guys that reach a high level of play as sophomores have upside, too. They seem to get shafted and ignored in discussions of potential and upside. It took Donovan Mitchell a combine to finally get to where he belonged.

He's been in my top 15 since January. He's an NBA player. The only question is will he get drafted by a team that gives him the opportunity. Everybody has PGs, so the position isn't valued highly. There is no scarcity. But that's why you don't waste a top pick on a guy like Fox. You can get guys like him in the late lottery to mid-1st every other year.

Everybody has PGs? So where is the Sixers PG? Sacramento's? Dallas?

PLO · Post #1486 » by **PLO** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:26 am

bwgood77 wrote:
PLO wrote:
Kolkmania wrote:
What makes you think that Josh Jackson can defend quick guards? It's an honest question, the +/- 10 games I've seen from Kansas there weren't many occasions that he defended these kind of players. If you remember a game I'd love to watch it back.

He struggled vs athletic guards, got blown by pretty regularly, especially in the later half of the season - as his offence got better his defence really slipped. As a top 3 prospect he's pretty meh all in all.

Is there anyone you like better and would rather pick? Assuming Fultz and Ball go 1/2?

I'd pretty much take any of the PG prospects over him (DSJ, Fox) and Tatum and Monk - and I think Isaac will be a top 2 player from this draft class so him as well. If Jackson can't guard a two and he can't guard a 4 (which he wont be able to in the NBA) what do you have? A limited player defensively with a lot of questions offensively.

PhilasFinest · Post #1487 » by **PhilasFinest** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:28 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Yeah, Jawun Evans might legitimately have the best PG instincts in this entire draft. I won't go as far as Gottlieb and say he's the next Chris Paul (because he'll be bad defensively), but dude should be getting way more late lotto love.

Guys that reach a high level of play as sophomores have upside, too. They seem to get shafted and ignored in discussions of potential and upside. It took Donovan Mitchell a combine to finally get to where he belonged.

He's been in my top 15 since January. He's an NBA player. The only question is will he get drafted by a team that gives him the opportunity. Everybody has PGs, so the position isn't valued highly. There is no scarcity. But that's why you don't waste a top pick on a guy like Fox. You can get guys like him in the late lottery to mid-1st every other year.

Everybody has PGs? So where is the Sixers PG? Sacramento's? Dallas?

If you paid attention, he was drafted #1 last year. His names Ben Simmons.

Post #1488 » by **bwgood77** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:42 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
LloydFree wrote:He's been in my top 15 since January. He's an NBA player. The only question is will he get drafted by a team that gives him the opportunity. Everybody has PGs, so the position isn't valued highly. There is no scarcity. But that's why you don't waste a top pick on a guy like Fox. You can get guys like him in the late lottery to mid-1st every other year.

Everybody has PGs? So where is the Sixers PG? Sacramento's? Dallas?

If you paid attention, he was drafted #1 last year. His names Ben Simmons.

I thought he was going to play more like a Point forward. So he is going to guard guards and stuff? I guess I haven't seen him much.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1489 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:51 am

LloydFree wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Who are the best shooting point guards after Ball Fultz Fox Smith? Basically who could be there from pick 20-30?

Easy. Juwan Evans. He has more PG skills than DeAaron Fox and he's just as quick. His only problem is he's only 6'0. If the 76ers waste the #3 over-all pick on Fox, knowing you can get a Juwan Evans in the mid-late 1st round, I'm going to be pretty pissed.

YEAH. He's nice. All I know is I want a PG who can shoot in this draft. I don't care if we get a veteran PG in FA I still want a rookie PG WHO CAN SHOOT taken in this draft. BC needs to get back into the late first.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1490 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:53 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
LloydFree wrote:He's been in my top 15 since January. He's an NBA player. The only question is will he get drafted by a team that gives him the opportunity. Everybody has PGs, so the position isn't valued highly. There is no scarcity. But that's why you don't waste a top pick on a guy like Fox. You can get guys like him in the late lottery to mid-1st every other year.

Everybody has PGs? So where is the Sixers PG? Sacramento's? Dallas?

If you paid attention, he was drafted #1 last year. His names Ben Simmons.

Brett Brown has poisoned the minds of some people, why would anyone listen to what such a loser coach has to say when it sounds that crazy? Just because he said that he plans to put Ben Simmons at PG along with the responsibility of guarding PGs doesn't mean that it will work. I fully expect Ben Simmons to get dominated by the speed of NBA PGs. Ben Simmons wasn't a good defender in college while guarding front court players that will never play in the NBA but he will be able to guard the best guards on the planet and not embarrass himself? He's a PF that is suited to play point forward much like Diaw and Draymond.

Negrodamus · Post #1491 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu May 18, 2017 2:09 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:On other sites I keep seeing "anything but Tatum". I can't understand this logic. His numbers are exactly what you look for in a small forward. He has the right height and length. Is a two way player. Gets to the line better than most top prospects. I'm just failing to understand the hate.

Many don't like his fit with the Sixers. I wouldn't hate him as much as some people. But I view him as a guy who doesn't really have the upside to be great at any one skill. I think he'll be solid or Goldman no a bunch of areas. In the top 3 you want elite traits or upside.

Yea, and I think it's silly. I mean, Okafor has elite post moves and we settled on him with our third pick.

Honestly, if you want to look at what's elite about him, it's that he has a FTr just slightly less than Josh Jackson and he's making 85% of his free throws. And he's doing that with Grayson Allen and Luke Kennard, 2 of the best scorers in college basketball. What especially sick about that is Tatum missed the first 8 games of his freshman season before coming back and eventually taking over as the alpha scorer from 2 upperclassmen.

So while everyone else sees Jayson Tatum: "Isolation Killer", I see the most versatile scorer in the draft.

Sixersftw · Post #1492 » by **Sixersftw** » Thu May 18, 2017 2:32 am

Didn't notice Sixers.com and the twitter only had the Jackson interview posted. They aren't subtle these days.

Ericb5 · Post #1493 » by **Ericb5** » Thu May 18, 2017 2:59 am

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Holy crap Lavar's segment on the herd.....going after a white blonde white women. They're gonna come for his head.

He is a straight embarrassment. He has been dealt a winning hand with Lonzo, and he is treating this whole thing like it is about him, and not his son.

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freshie2 · Post #1494 » by **freshie2** » Thu May 18, 2017 3:00 am

Fox may be in the mix before it is all said and done.

Negrodamus · Post #1495 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu May 18, 2017 3:08 am

If it's versatile defense we want, I can't think of a more sure thing than OG Anunoby being a future all NBA defense team if he has completely healed from that injury. He is the best defensive player in this draft IMO. Length and lateral movement is off the charts. He was also starting to hit some 3pters this year, but suffers from the same issue as Jackson, can't hit FTs. I do like OG's form though. And he is still young (19 years old).

Negrodamus · Post #1496 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu May 18, 2017 3:17 am

Watch on YouTube

He's by no means an elite passer, but he is a willing one. I definitely think he can be a plus passer in his career as he gets older.

LloydFree · Post #1497 » by **LloydFree** » Thu May 18, 2017 3:38 am

freshie2 wrote:Fox may be in the mix before it is all said and done.

Based on organization's talk about 'fit' being prioritized and Colangelo's draft history, I doubt there is any realistic chance they pick Fox. In the past Colangelo has drafted high ceiling athletes and European big men with perceived high ceilings.

I see three possible outcomes:

1. The 76ers select Josh Jackson.
2. Dennis Smith (or Monk) murders our current guards at their workout and he trades back to take them.
3. Ainge tricks this guy into trading up for Fultz. So Ainge can take Josh Jackson for himself.

I don't see Fox as fit or as the usual high upside guy that Colangelo likes. And I don't see Tatum as a need or significant enough upgrade over Saric to select him.

76ciology · Post #1498 » by **76ciology** » Thu May 18, 2017 4:50 am

I think "interesting offer for 3rd pick" is just a bluff from BC to see what are the offers out there.

76ciology · Post #1499 » by **76ciology** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:04 am

I've been trying to compare Tatum vs Josh Jackson.

And I think the biggest and simplest take away I have is JJ is more diverse/dynamic that he can play big or quick while Tatum can only play big. Not saying Tatum is slow but his speed is average for NBA SF maybe like RoCo or Tobias in terms of speed.

Watching Tatum, my impression Is his length is his edge. What happens if that is taken away from him, similar to Okafor?

To make it more obvious about the diversity advantage of JJ, I think JJ can guard 1-3 and some smallball PF. While Tatum seem like he can only match-up with 3-4s.

I just find how the game values diversity or being dynamic (think LeBron, Curry, Harden or KD) that you need to always have a counter depending on what the opposing team gives you.

With JJ, if opponents puts him on the island with Steph Curry on D, I'm confident he can give a good contest. On offense, if opponents puts him against big wings, he had the quickness to get to the basket. If opponents puts him against smaller& quicker wings, he has the size (not elite tho).

Tatum looked like a star with multiple counters being quicker and bigger than most of his defenders. But in the NBA, I guess there are more wings who can match-up with his size while almost all can match-up with his quickness that would neutralize him like Derozan in the play-offs.

I hope you get what I mean haha

Kolkmania · Post #1500 » by **Kolkmania** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:58 am

LloydFree wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Yeah, Jawun Evans might legitimately have the best PG instincts in this entire draft. I won't go as far as Gottlieb and say he's the next Chris Paul (because he'll be bad defensively), but dude should be getting way more late lotto love.

Guys that reach a high level of play as sophomores have upside, too. They seem to get shafted and ignored in discussions of potential and upside. It took Donovan Mitchell a combine to finally get to where he belonged.

He's been in my top 15 since January. He's an NBA player. The only question is will he get drafted by a team that gives him the opportunity. Everybody has PGs, so the position isn't valued highly. There is no scarcity. But that's why you don't waste a top pick on a guy like Fox. You can get guys like him in the late lottery to mid-1st every other year.

Evans' biggest question mark is if he's able to convert his shots at the rim. He's probably the best player in the draft to create shots at the rim, but finishing just 48% is horrible. I have all the faith in him shooting the ball though, decent percentage at high volume and so many of them were off the dribble.