The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[stormi]

Are we sure he even has a high ceiling? Usually development trajectory is indicative of upside left to reach. A guy with no improvement year after year (like Ben) typically suggests he's already peaked or has very little upside left to reach.

Compare the development trajectory of Ben to guys in his draft class (Siakam, Ingram, Murray, Brown, Sabonis etc). Even guys we thought had marginal upside like Brogdon and Hield have had a better development trajectory than Ben.

Yeah, im thinking he's close to his peak already. Simmons without shooting is a bigger rondo. Rondo atleast shot a little and could hit some ft's...

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Do you remember how good peak Rondo was? Now place that in Ben's body. That's a clear franchise player lmao

[Kobblehead]

I want an upgrade from Ben, too, but DeAaron Fox is not that guy. He's a highly flawed halfcourt player that is basically useless without the pick and roll. And unless you're also getting out from Brett Brown, he's not going to get to run that here. Fox is not desirable in the slightest, to me.

[Kobblehead]

Do you remember how good peak Rondo was? Now place that in Ben's body. That's a clear franchise player lmao

Lol peak Rondo was like a 10-12 ppg player that made passes to three hall of famers. And he played on a contract that was the equivalent to a $15m one today. Ben Simmons is on a MAX deal, bro.

[the_process]

Trading Simmons for any of those guys lowers the ceiling of the team. Beal probably makes you immediately a little better, Russell about the same (just different), and LaVine makes you worse. Ben's just gotta shoot the damn ball. Only way he gets moved is if a legit star wants out.

But Ben is clearly not just going to shoot it.

Ever? Or this year?

All the evidence points toward the former.

[stormi]

Do you remember how good peak Rondo was? Now place that in Ben's body. That's a clear franchise player lmao

Lol peak Rondo was like a 10-12 ppg player that made passes to three hall of famers. And he played on a contract that was the equivalent to a $15m one today. Ben Simmons is on a MAX deal, bro.

Statwatching gone wrong my bro. Rondo was who y'all think Chris Paul is

[Kobblehead]

being a pure scorer shooting 43/36/80 while chucking 20 shots a game with no defensive iq or passing ability.

Lmao one Tobias Harris wasn't enough lets double it up

First off, Zach has been a better passer and defender this year than you're aware of.

Secondly, why are we pretending that everyone that isn't a complete player, hall of famer that can score from all three levels, defend, and pass is unworthy of trading for.

You realize that with our current team and Joel Embiid, we really only need an all-level scorer to complete the puzzle, right?

Guys like Jamal Murray, Devin Booker, Zach Lavine, DeAngelo Russell, C.J. McCollum are perfectly sufficient in significantly raising the ceiling for this team and putting us in position to cash in on a championship within the next three years.

[Kobblehead]

Statwatching gone wrong my bro. Rondo was who y'all think Chris Paul is

I'm going to pretend you didn't even say the ridiculous Chris Paul thing.

I remember very clearly what prime Rondo was for the Celtics. He was never more than a replacement level starter. If he didn't play with 3 hall of famers, he'd be just as forgettable as Ricky Rubio. As a matter of fact, he wouldn't have even had the longevity of Rubio because he was so unlikeable and uncoachable.

[stormi]

CJ and Dame for Ben and Tobias

[stormi]

eurostepping that kobblehead post btw lmao

[Kobblehead]

Most people call Ben a 6'10" Rondo in a disparaging context. You seem to be the only one that thinks that's a good thing.

[stormi]

you compared prime rondo to ricky rubio lmao never discuss ball with me again

[Kobblehead]

Because they're the exact same player minus Ricky actually being liked by teammates and coaches. You realize that Rondo borderline sucks, right? He's a replacement level starter in his best seasons. You wouldn't even remember his name if he didn't play with three hall of famers.

[stormi]

rondo was the floor general on those teams and could dominate the game without needing to score 1 point lol

ricky was a top 5 pg in the league ever? show me

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Most people call Ben a 6'10" Rondo in a disparaging context. You seem to be the only one that thinks that's a good thing.

I think a lot of people say 6'10" Rondo in a disparaging context because Ben was drafted 1 and was drawing comparisons to LeBron and Magic. I don't view it as a dig toward Rondo, there are plenty of things Rondo could do that Simmons can't, one of the biggest is turning the corner and getting into the heart of a defense in the halfcourt.

[stormi]

not to mention prime rondo was a walking 17 point playoff triple double, an on court coach and an elite defender all while being the best facilitator on the floor at all times

even washed rondo still flashed brilliance:

ala -

1) with the bulls going up 2-0 on the road against the celtics and then having the team collapse with him going down

2) with the pelicans absolutely embarrassing cj and dame with jrue playing sensational defense and sweeping the blazers

just say you don't remember how good rajon was, or you're blinded with your star spangled banner colored sixers glasses

[Kobblehead]

I think a lot of people say 6'10" Rondo in a disparaging context because Ben was drafted 1 and was drawing comparisons to LeBron and Magic. I don't view it as a dig toward Rondo, there are plenty of things Rondo could do that Simmons can't, one of the biggest is turning the corner and getting into the heart of a defense in the halfcourt.

Obviously a 6'2" guy has more agility to break down a defender and penetrate than a 6'10" guy.

It is a dig because Rondo was a nobody that didn't move the needle. And playoff Ben being a forgettable role player makes it hard to argue against.

[Mik317]

you constantly have the aura of someone who smells their own farts.

Rondo was not a nobody.

Not what you want your first overall to be but still a very valuable player in his prime.

You really need to get off this idea that everyone has to be these perfect modern day players to work. You are a slave to your own love of stats.

[Fencer reregistered]

I think a lot of people say 6'10" Rondo in a disparaging context because Ben was drafted 1 and was drawing comparisons to LeBron and Magic. I don't view it as a dig toward Rondo, there are plenty of things Rondo could do that Simmons can't, one of the biggest is turning the corner and getting into the heart of a defense in the halfcourt.

Obviously a 6'2" guy has more agility to break down a defender and penetrate than a 6'10" guy.

It is a dig because Rondo was a nobody that didn't move the needle. And playoff Ben being a forgettable role player makes it hard to argue against.

Is it more your opinion that Rondo didn't deserve his accolades (all-NBA, all-defensive team, MVP votes and so on), or more that he was an unimpressive player even though they were deserved?

[M2J]

This is crazy. Rondo was a beast.

Yes he played with 3 Hall of fame players, but you could argue, and I would that he extended their valuable years. By year 3 of that group, he was probably their best player, and those guys were old. They could get stats, but he was the force.


Definitely not a perfect player, but if he could shoot back then, he'd have been damn close to.... Basically being Chris Paul.

He would also thrive in the playoffs

[youngcrev]

Prime Rondo vs Zach LaVine, who you got?