Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

[76ciology]

Hali for Sabonis is such a great trade for both teams.

Sabonis is nowhere near as good as Hali, but he’s a very good player and a great fit with what the Kings want their team to be.

[Murray_17]

Haliburton averaging 20 pts and 11 assists on a 23.6 USG and 59% TS....those are CP3/Jokic numbers

[Stanford]

Yeah, Morey blows. Really.

[Jailblazers7]

I wonder if there was ever serious talks for a Simmons/Kings trade. It never felt that close to happening and was more just rumor mill stuff. My guess is that it was a friendly deal between Monte/Morey to feed the rumor mill while each team was negotiating the trades they actually wanted.

[Iverson Armband]

Nobody was trading anything of real value for sorry ass Ben Simmons. We got Harden basically because he forced his way here.

[Stanford]

Nobody was trading anything of real value for sorry ass Ben Simmons. We got Harden basically because he forced his way here.

Maybe. This is the Kings though

[Murray_17]

The rumor at the time was that Morey wanted 3 picks on top of Simmons as part of the deal.

Who knows....

[Stanford]

Every thread on the general board:

VORP BPM RPM TS PER BDSM

[Kobblehead]

Hali's advanced metrics are always great. Can anyone explain why his plus minus on/off metrics have been so bad in his career?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/halibty01.html

Probably just a anomaly because metrics are dumb.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't think we ever really had a shot at Haliburton. With that being said, it was a good trade for both the Pacers and the Kings. Sabonis is an all star big man and the Kings are looking like a playoff team this year. Meanwhile Haliburton is a perfect fit in Indy. He's from Wisconsin so he's a midwest kid anyway. Perfect fit there and they'll build with him the same way they built with Reggie Miller. Oh and Indy will also be in the playoffs this year too.

[Negrodamus]

I was more on board with Fox before the Maxey breakout, but gotta say, Haliburton would have been a perfect piece with Embiid and Maxey.

[Murray_17]

Hali's advanced metrics are always great. Can anyone explain why his plus minus on/off metrics have been so bad in his career?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/halibty01.html

Probably just a anomaly because metrics are dumb.

He played on the Kings and they normally ranked last or close to last in defense.

[blargh]

Read on Twitter

Bol bol possibly can end up being Magic’s best player

He could… but I have no confidence in guys with his frame staying healthy. Not sold on Wembayama living up to expectations, for the same reason.

[76ciology]

Every thread on the general board:

VORP BPM RPM TS PER BDSM

Why am I taken to non basketball websites when i googled BDSM?

[76ciology]

Hali's advanced metrics are always great. Can anyone explain why his plus minus on/off metrics have been so bad in his career?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/halibty01.html

Probably just a anomaly because metrics are dumb.

This season
12-8 pacers 4th seed

On Court 0 NetRtg
Off Court +3.9 NetRtg (team plays best when he’s offcourt)

Pacers has very good defensive unit off the bench that more than makes up for the step down in offense.

Its also possible that the Pacers is overloading scorers/shooters with Hali, then they play with pace to pump assist numbers with his elite passing talent

How good is Hali when the Pacers have to play both ends and look to win? How good is he when the game slows down and he is forced to create on ISO?

If you run a system that pushes the paces at breakneck speed and have a “pass is king” approach, you can pump the value of PGs like MCW and Ben.

Im not saying Hali is not good. I think he’s better than what I though he was but he’s not as good as most think he is right now. Could he be better? For sure. So does Saben Lee

[76ciology]

Im right with my assessment on Dejounte Murray right?

Read the comments.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2239180&p=102509986#p102509986

The Dejounte Murray experience in all reality, is a frustrating one and I love the guy. Any guard that can run around out there and get a triple double is fun to box score watch, especially if they are good enough defensively to matter.

But the Dejounte Murray experience stops being fun when you watch the guy do nothing but take midrange off the pick and roll pull up jumpshots at the free throw line over and over and over again.

The first time it goes it in it's cool, the second time it goes in, it's like, "Yeah, this is great..."

He misses 5 of them in a row. He takes 2 floaters and clanks those.

Now you are yelling at him to take the ball and drive it all the all the way in the lane an draw a foul. Every time he runs pick and roll, you are begging him to not shoot it. He drives and shoots a some weird leaning to the side floater.

Then it dawns on you that he is a poor man's prime Westbrook. When it's going good, it's good, but when it is bad...well...it's the worst.

[Negrodamus]

Im right with my assessment on Dejounte Murray right?

Read the comments.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2239180&p=102509986#p102509986

The Dejounte Murray experience in all reality, is a frustrating one and I love the guy. Any guard that can run around out there and get a triple double is fun to box score watch, especially if they are good enough defensively to matter.

But the Dejounte Murray experience stops being fun when you watch the guy do nothing but take midrange off the pick and roll pull up jumpshots at the free throw line over and over and over again.

The first time it goes it in it's cool, the second time it goes in, it's like, "Yeah, this is great..."

He misses 5 of them in a row. He takes 2 floaters and clanks those.

Now you are yelling at him to take the ball and drive it all the all the way in the lane an draw a foul. Every time he runs pick and roll, you are begging him to not shoot it. He drives and shoots a some weird leaning to the side floater.

Then it dawns on you that he is a poor man's prime Westbrook. When it's going good, it's good, but when it is bad...well...it's the worst.

Well what's the assessment of Dejounte in relation to? He's better than Ben Simmons, which was the crux of the conversation last year on this board. If the point is that he's not a star, then that's 100% true.

I will say, the problem with the Hawks does not lie with Murray. It's currently Trae. I also think they should move on from Collins, Hunter, Okongwu, etc. These are homegrown talent who are stagnating in ATL. Could probably yield another star when packaged together. Then you still have younger homegrown talent in AJ Griffin, Jalen Johnson, Trent Forrest while trying to fill out the rest of the roster with role guys like the Sixers have: Niang, Melton, Tucker.

[76ciology]

Im right with my assessment on Dejounte Murray right?

Read the comments.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2239180&p=102509986#p102509986

The Dejounte Murray experience in all reality, is a frustrating one and I love the guy. Any guard that can run around out there and get a triple double is fun to box score watch, especially if they are good enough defensively to matter.

But the Dejounte Murray experience stops being fun when you watch the guy do nothing but take midrange off the pick and roll pull up jumpshots at the free throw line over and over and over again.

The first time it goes it in it's cool, the second time it goes in, it's like, "Yeah, this is great..."

He misses 5 of them in a row. He takes 2 floaters and clanks those.

Now you are yelling at him to take the ball and drive it all the all the way in the lane an draw a foul. Every time he runs pick and roll, you are begging him to not shoot it. He drives and shoots a some weird leaning to the side floater.

Then it dawns on you that he is a poor man's prime Westbrook. When it's going good, it's good, but when it is bad...well...it's the worst.

Well what's the assessment of Dejounte in relation to? He's better than Ben Simmons, which was the crux of the conversation last year on this board. If the point is that he's not a star, then that's 100% true.

I will say, the problem with the Hawks does not lie with Murray. It's currently Trae. I also think they should move on from Collins, Hunter, Okongwu, etc. These are homegrown talent who are stagnating in ATL. Could probably yield another star when packaged together. Then you still have younger homegrown talent in AJ Griffin, Jalen Johnson, Trent Forrest while trying to fill out the rest of the roster with role guys like the Sixers have: Niang, Melton, Tucker.

Im right with my assessment on Dejounte Murray right?

Read the comments.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2239180&p=102509986#p102509986

The Dejounte Murray experience in all reality, is a frustrating one and I love the guy. Any guard that can run around out there and get a triple double is fun to box score watch, especially if they are good enough defensively to matter.

But the Dejounte Murray experience stops being fun when you watch the guy do nothing but take midrange off the pick and roll pull up jumpshots at the free throw line over and over and over again.

The first time it goes it in it's cool, the second time it goes in, it's like, "Yeah, this is great..."

He misses 5 of them in a row. He takes 2 floaters and clanks those.

Now you are yelling at him to take the ball and drive it all the all the way in the lane an draw a foul. Every time he runs pick and roll, you are begging him to not shoot it. He drives and shoots a some weird leaning to the side floater.

Then it dawns on you that he is a poor man's prime Westbrook. When it's going good, it's good, but when it is bad...well...it's the worst.

Well what's the assessment of Dejounte in relation to? He's better than Ben Simmons, which was the crux of the conversation last year on this board. If the point is that he's not a star, then that's 100% true.

we weren’t discussing who’s better between Ben and Dejounte.

We were discussing two things..
1- how good is dejounte
2- trading Ben for Dejounte

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2118722&start=1260

Dejounte Murray, what’s to like about this guy?

He is an average scorer at best.
He is already 24 and shows no upside.
His advanced stats are not good.
He shows no sign at all to develop into a good shooter.

The only reason why he gets decent all around numbers is because he is playing guard on a trash team where he can pad stats how much he wants. We’ve seen this story before with MCW.

If you are going to trade Ben. You don’t trade Ben for someone who’s like a poor man’s Ben Simmons.

As a scorer, Milton and Maxey are already superior than this guy.

We didnt try to get out of the Ben Simmons experiment to get back into a worse Ben Simmons experiment

There are only two ways to win with Embiid.
- Batman and Robin. Get him a top tier star
- Surround him with collective scorers. Spurs model.

And either way, the last thing you need is the most important position in offense being played by a guy who is a below average scorer and shooter.

But sorry I dont really see the Fox-Murray comparison aside from average at best shooting (murray is a lot worse), all around game, length and deflections.

When it comes to scoring, there a big gap between Fox and Murray. It’s almost like comparing Ben Simmons to LeBron James.

Fox is scoring 1.3points per FGA
Murray is scoring 1.08 points per FGA

Murray is a really bad scorer. His numbers are already padded. He should be averaging 18ppg but he’s so bad that he’s only getting you 15ppg.

Murray’s value is way inflated. It reminds me of Josh Richardson’s final year with the Heat when they were trying to inflate Josh Rich’s numbers to get Jimmy. Actually Josh Rich’s final season with the Heat and Murray’s scoring numbers are eerily similar.

Even that mid range narrative on Murray and how Spurs is looking to trade him gives me dejavu of josh Rich.

You responded to my above posts
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2124395&start=540

Most of the discussion last year was many here thought he was a good player. Which i disagree.

I wasn’t comparing him to Ben. I knew Ben suck as soon as we drafted him in 2016. But I just tried to stay open minded with him. Criticize him when he plays bad and praise him when he plays well. Find ways to win with him. Find ways to trade him.

18shots on 20ppg, similar to my complaint on him last year.
He was a pump and dump project that many here bought.

[Jailblazers7]

Discussion about his true value aside, the thought of a Melton/Murray defensive guard duo does sound really fun.

[76ciology]

RJ Barrett after receiving a 4-year, $120M extension this off-season:

18.4 PPG
5.4 RPG
3.0 APG
40.0 FG%
27.4 3PT%

Another scam.