Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[LessMorey]

Kyle Nuebeck said harden situation has not changed and he still wants to be traded. Morey is playing the waiting game to get better offers. I think we will see a resolution by the end of this month. I highly doubt this drags on to September.

If Morey actually wants this to be a reset year it makes sense to trade Harden to a team like the Clippers for expirings, mann, and picks. I guess the Clippers don't want to do that.

[Murray_17]

If Morey actually wants this to be a reset year it makes sense to trade Harden to a team like the Clippers for expirings, mann, and picks. I guess the Clippers don't want to do that.

No one is gonna offer a good package until the Lillard drama gets sorted out

[sixers hoops]

These guys aren’t leaving California to come play on a comparable team in Philly, so I think five of those guys are extremely unrealistic. We aren’t signing Lebron. There is no chance he comes here. I am also pretty certain there is no chance Klay is coming here. AD isn’t leaving the Lakers to come here. I don’t think any of those guys are realistic. I think if Kawhi or George don’t pick up their player option, it will be because they are planning to re-sign in LA.

Even Jrue. I don’t see him leaving Giannis to come play here.

I think the only guy who would even consider Philly would be DeRozan, and I don’t think he is a max guy.

I would be shocked if anybody on that list, other than DeRozan, were to come here. It just seems extremely unrealistic to me. These are guys who wanted to play in California and forced their way to the Lakers and Clippers. Klay likely will stay with the Warriors.

I could possibly see some agents getting Morey to clear space to use us as leverage, but ultimately, other than DeRozan, they all stay put.

I believe you're right, and I also really hope so. There is no one on that list I would want here unless Kawhi could wind the clock back a few years. And I hope Morey isn't stupid and gullible enough to clear space expecting any of them to come here.

This whole idea of cap space having the single purpose of filling "max slots" really has to end. Doesn't anyone look around and see how the smaller market 'non-destination' teams are building now? Stop trying to compete with the LA's, Miami's, and NY's of the world and build something lasting from the ground up.

Yup this!

I know you were just passing along the theory from the article that Paul Reed would prevent them from signing a 10+ max guy, but it doesn’t make much sense. Maybe if Morey has a secret agreement with Paul George or Jrue it would make sense, but that isn’t the case. Jrue is the most down to earth of the group and likely to return to Philly, but I would assume he stays with the Bucks, assuming they are willing to pay.

[youngcrev]

Were not wasting Embiid’s prime. Giannis and Jokic never had more talent than what Embiid had.

Cool, but what's that got to do with anything?

The context of not wanting to waste a year of Embiid's prime has to do with the "gap year" approach that's being proposed.

[Jailblazers7]

I don’t really understand the gap year idea given that Morey is notorious for going all in when there’s even a minor probability of a championship. It could be his plan but it’d be a very different approach for him.

[sixers hoops]

I think instead of waiting for the free agents to come to them they should go out and trade for who they want. Between Harden, Harris, Melton, and/or a 1st they should be able to bring back a longer-term star and solid role players that are worth keeping around.

The two max slot nonsense needs to stop though, as we’ll only be able to afford Maxey, Embiid and one other star moving forwards anyways.

I don’t even know if two Max slots makes sense. Even if they let Paul walk, maybe they get just over $60 million in cap space. That’s not two max contracts, and that’s just Embiid, Tucker, Springer, Maxey caphold, and charges for minimum contracts to fill out the rest of the roster. Even letting Springer go, might not get us there. What would max contracts for DeRozan and Siakim be? $100 million? And then how do we sign Maxey with going into the luxury tax?

So obviously, as you say, that doesn’t make sense. Im assuming he is trying to clear $40-$50 for a player.

Siakim is a huge upgrade from Tobias, but is that a piece that really fits with Embiid and Maxey? Knowing that Embiid is a guy that need room to operate in the post, is Siakim a guy that helps our offense?

Clearing space for Siakim makes sense with the Nurse connection and he is a huge talent upgrade, but I don’t know that it works anymore.

In the 90s, nobody could defend two bigs, like Duncan and Robinson, but now two bigs are tough to win with.

[eyeatoma]

Were not wasting Embiid’s prime. Giannis and Jokic never had more talent than what Embiid had.

They had far better built teams that masks the deficiencies of their stars. Morey seems to know only how to build one way, get a star, and then get more stars.

Doesn't work around the margins, and then just gets has been players who are washed or former Rockets.

I'm actually shocked that we didn't get Eric Gordon.

[sixers hoops]

I don’t really understand the gap year idea given that Morey is notorious for going all in when there’s even a minor probability of a championship. It could be his plan but it’d be a very different approach for him.

I don’t get it either, but I have always been against his minor probability philosophy. His teams always have good regular seasons, and come up short. I always advocate taking a step back to reload and make yourself a top 3-4 team; however, even with a gap year, I don’t see us adding any pieces they make us significantly better anyway.

The Harden trade request might have forced him to retool his strategy on the fly. It sounds like he doesn’t even know what he is doing with Harden. It is really tough to plan for next season when you don’t even know if Harden will be on our team.

[sixers4real]

He does not really care of what any of you think of him.

lol now we're simping for the prez.

I love 0 and1 on this

[Arsenal]

I don’t really understand the gap year idea given that Morey is notorious for going all in when there’s even a minor probability of a championship. It could be his plan but it’d be a very different approach for him.

Morey took several "gap years" w/the Rockets, e.g. when Dwight left.

We're in a similar situation now with Embiid in place but likely to lose our 2nd star.

[sixers hoops]

Is Paul Reed decision deadline midnight?

[Arsenal]

Back to BBall. This team gave away Thybulle to duck the tax this past season and reset the repeater clock.

They will likely be under the tax in 2024-25 since they're probably going to be a cap room team.

Therefore it is 100% unacceptable to lose Basketball because they want to duck the tax this year also.

CHEAP BASTARD OWNERSHIP

[Arsenal]

Is Paul Reed decision deadline midnight?

I believe so.

[mjkvol]

I believe you're right, and I also really hope so. There is no one on that list I would want here unless Kawhi could wind the clock back a few years. And I hope Morey isn't stupid and gullible enough to clear space expecting any of them to come here.

This whole idea of cap space having the single purpose of filling "max slots" really has to end. Doesn't anyone look around and see how the smaller market 'non-destination' teams are building now? Stop trying to compete with the LA's, Miami's, and NY's of the world and build something lasting from the ground up.

Yup this!

I know you were just passing along the theory from the article that Paul Reed would prevent them from signing a 10+ max guy, but it doesn’t make much sense. Maybe if Morey has a secret agreement with Paul George or Jrue it would make sense, but that isn’t the case. Jrue is the most down to earth of the group and likely to return to Philly, but I would assume he stays with the Bucks, assuming they are willing to pay.

I wasn't passing along or referring to anything. I'm just sick of the 'max slots' silliness when it comes to cap space - for one, no FA worth having will sign here, and number two and more importantly, it's time to stop looking at star chasing as the only way to build a championship team, especially for a 'non-destination'.

We just saw a team win with one star, a coming star, and a bunch of solid, well fitting role players. That same team has spent the off season accumulating draft picks because they know the way to sustain success is to find your role players in the draft and build around Jokic and Murray.

That could be us if we just stop chasing 'names' and start to draft and develop youth, and use cap space to sign those solid, well fitting role players. I don't get why that's such a foreign concept to so many fans.

[Stanford]

He does not really care of what any of you think of him.

lol now we're simping for the prez.

I love 0 and1 on this

Don't care!

[Mik317]

this is probably my sunday nihilism talking but

none of this matters lol. Team has been **** for a while and we are all just waiting for Biid's ask out now...

[sixers hoops]

Yup this!

I know you were just passing along the theory from the article that Paul Reed would prevent them from signing a 10+ max guy, but it doesn’t make much sense. Maybe if Morey has a secret agreement with Paul George or Jrue it would make sense, but that isn’t the case. Jrue is the most down to earth of the group and likely to return to Philly, but I would assume he stays with the Bucks, assuming they are willing to pay.

I wasn't passing along or referring to anything. I'm just sick of the 'max slots' silliness when it comes to cap space - for one, no FA worth having will sign here, and number two and more importantly, it's time to stop looking at star chasing as the only way to build a championship team, especially for a 'non-destination'.

We just saw a team win with one star, a coming star, and a bunch of solid, well fitting role players. That same team has spent the off season accumulating draft picks because they know the way to sustain success is to find your role players in the draft and build around Jokic and Murray.

That could be us if we just stop chasing 'names' and start to draft and develop youth, and use cap space to sign those solid, well fitting role players. I don't get why that's such a foreign concept to so many fans.

I was referring to the article that eyetoma linked.

[Arsenal]

this is probably my sunday nihilism talking but

none of this matters lol. Team has been **** for a while and we are all just waiting for Biid's ask out now...

Losing Basketball is the final hurdle to the blackpill lol.

[sixers hoops]

His agent is taking a huge gamble. If the Sixers don't match that's a terrible deal for Reed. Also, if the Sixers were somehow to be knocked out in the first round.

That means this was the best offer they could get. Morey, probably under the direction of ownership, obviously lowballed hoping to keep Basketball for cheap.

I guess so, which again, tells me the Sixers won't match. I'd prefer a 3 year/$18 million deal with a PO if I were him from the Sixers. And I am not sure how the Sixers didn't offer that.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize the deal is terrible for him and his agent is doing him a disservice. A 1 year/$6 million deal from the Sixers is better than this. Hell, anything is better than this. $8 million GTD while giving away the right to UFA for three seasons. It's terrible.

1 year/$6 million from the Sixers is objectively better than the Jazz deal. This tells me they aren't matching. I'm pretty sure of it. It's that or incompetence from his agent and/or Morey.

If the Sixers match, his agent comes out looking great. If the Sixers don’t match, he has a one year deal on a team that may not offer considerably more minutes and likely less playoff exposure. I think the qualifying offer was less than $3 million, so even one year $7 million with the jazz is a good short-term gain. However, if he were to take the qualifying offer and bet on himself, the Sixers would probably put him in a better position entering unrestricted free agency.

If I’m his agent, I would have to be pretty confident the Sixers were going to match to sign this. Otherwise, i wouldn’t sign a deal with the second round clause. Why agree to a clause that would decrease the likelihood of you landing in the best possible situation?

Reed’s agent either believes the Sixers will match, or they just prefer that Paul end up in Utah. If his agent sees the tax crunch the Sixers are in, then he may see no possibility of a long-term commitment from the Sixers. Maybe moving away from a situation with no future was his goal.

[LessMorey]

Problem is it's not a one year, $7 million deal. If he blows up next year he's cost controlled for two more seasons at $8 million. They would only have $7 million GTD over three years. That's terrible for someone in Paul's spot.

You'd think the only way they'd sign this deal is if they thought the Sixers would match. But, if they thought the Sixers would match why not go directly to the Sixers and find a better deal for both parties with less risk to Reed.

I still standby that they won't match given the contract structure is terrible for Reed & the Sixers. Makes me think this was the only place left he could go.