SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[The Sixer Fixer]

Wow

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Confirming what @DraftExpress just tweeted: Wiz have agreed to trade Rashard Lewis and 2012 second-rounder for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza

[The Sixer Fixer]

For those wondering how that helps New Orleans...

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Rashard Lewis' 23.8 million dollar contract can be bought out for 13.7 million before July 1st. Trade saves New Orleans around 30 million?

[EugeneBWhitaker]

For those wondering how that helps New Orleans...

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Rashard Lewis' 23.8 million dollar contract can be bought out for 13.7 million before July 1st. Trade saves New Orleans around 30 million?

I was wondering how it helped the wizards in the slightest.

Buyout Rashard, Amnesty Blatche and the wizards are a player in the off season.

Now they are paying Okafor and Nene for what purpose?

Though - now my previous Iguodala For nene and the wizards top pick carries legs

[sixerfan1976]

just checking in. on vaca so not hearing much til i get back.

utah and lal still in play.

Ross and Rivers still at top of list at 15. Leads me to believe they are moving Andre for a big man.

surprisingly they are listening on turner....but dont feel inclined to move him.

Tyreke for him I heard again. I have not heard anything about Turner for a pick tho.

As for GM situation.....They are trying to get Ferry to agree to be GM only for this year..then when Rod retires or moves into that consulting role....potentially him or Doug becomes president(doug may leave coaching and turn over reigns to michael curry)

They dont really feel a rush to do anything but Doug wants Ferry pretty bad.

[The Sixer Fixer]

For those wondering how that helps New Orleans...

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Rashard Lewis' 23.8 million dollar contract can be bought out for 13.7 million before July 1st. Trade saves New Orleans around 30 million?

I was wondering how it helped the wizards in the slightest.

Buyout Rashard, Amnesty Blatche and the wizards are a player in the off season.

Now they are paying Okafor and Nene for what purpose?

Though - now my previous Iguodala For nene and the wizards top pick carries legs

Could be for future trade....if not, it still is an upgrade in talent for Wash. They played well down the stretch last year after the Nene deal. Now they have Wall, either SG or SF (Beal/MKG/Barnes) and a front court of Okafor and Nene. That's a big upgrade for them and silly as it sounds, it might make them a better team than us right now.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Could be for future trade....if not, it still is an upgrade in talent for Wash. They played well down the stretch last year after the Nene deal. Now they have Wall, either SG or SF (Beal/MKG/Barnes) and a front court of Okafor and Nene. That's a big upgrade for them and silly as it sounds, it might make them a better team than us right now.

ANother team in my opinion making short sighted moves when they need to be thinking long term. Okafor (and ariza) are much closer to the ends of their career, the wiz should be clearing decks to add quality players who will be around when Wall figures out how to play in the NBA, not mediocre over paid rotational guys...it's a bad move in my opinion, though one less team to compete with the sixers in the cap room department (the hornets make out like BANDITS, #1 and #10 and cap room galore)

[Arsenal]

Could be for future trade....if not, it still is an upgrade in talent for Wash. They played well down the stretch last year after the Nene deal. Now they have Wall, either SG or SF (Beal/MKG/Barnes) and a front court of Okafor and Nene. That's a big upgrade for them and silly as it sounds, it might make them a better team than us right now.

ANother team in my opinion making short sighted moves when they need to be thinking long term. Okafor (and ariza) are much closer to the ends of their career, the wiz should be clearing decks to add quality players who will be around when Wall figures out how to play in the NBA, not mediocre over paid rotational guys...it's a bad move in my opinion, though one less team to compete with the sixers in the cap room department (the hornets make out like BANDITS, #1 and #10 and cap room galore)

Let's send them Evan Turner for #10 overall. They can absorb him with straight cap room. Get it done!

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Let's send them Evan Turner for #10 overall. They can absorb him with straight cap room. Get it done!

I said I would do it yesterday and I would do it today as well though they had cap room before trading for Lewis, but when do they get the cap room?

[The Sixer Fixer]

Let's send them Evan Turner for #10 overall. They can absorb him with straight cap room. Get it done!

I said I would do it yesterday and I would do it today as well though they had cap room before trading for Lewis, but when do they get the cap room?

They have cap room regardless of today's trade. This trade actually gave them more (assuming they weren't going to amnesty Lewis).

They had probably close to 10 mil. This trade gave them about 2 million more from what I can tell

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Let's send them Evan Turner for #10 overall. They can absorb him with straight cap room. Get it done!

I said I would do it yesterday and I would do it today as well though they had cap room before trading for Lewis, but when do they get the cap room?

They have cap room regardless of today's trade. This trade actually gave them more (assuming they weren't going to amnesty Lewis).

They can't amnesty Lewis but they can buy him out (his contract is not guaranteed for next year). They will pay him 13.7 million to go away and clear his 28 million.

They will be awash in cap room, keep #1 and #10.

New owner making major moves...I mean you still have to convince free agents to play in New Orelans, it is much different in the NBA than the NFL Mr Benson, but this is a bold SMART move by a new owner.

[The Sixer Fixer]

They can't amnesty Lewis but they can buy him out (his contract is not guaranteed for next year). They will pay him 13.7 million to go away and clear his 28 million.

They will be awash in cap room, keep #1 and #10.

New owner making major moves...I mean you still have to convince free agents to play in New Orelans, it is much different in the NBA than the NFL Mr Benson, but this is a bold SMART move by a new owner.

Ah, I thought we were talking about Wash and not New Orleans...sorry, misread it.

[Gsraider]

just checking in. on vaca so not hearing much til i get back.

utah and lal still in play.

Ross and Rivers still at top of list at 15. Leads me to believe they are moving Andre for a big man.

surprisingly they are listening on turner....but dont feel inclined to move him.

Tyreke for him I heard again. I have not heard anything about Turner for a pick tho.

As for GM situation.....They are trying to get Ferry to agree to be GM only for this year..then when Rod retires or moves into that consulting role....potentially him or Doug becomes president(doug may leave coaching and turn over reigns to michael curry)

They dont really feel a rush to do anything but Doug wants Ferry pretty bad.

So, basically more of the same? Interestingly, a lot of analysts remain unconvinced that Iguodala is going anywhere. If there is anything to the LAL or Utah rumors, we may not even know for some time after the draft too. Hopefully, an interesting off-season is just around the corner. Thanks for the update.

[phillysixed]

They can't amnesty Lewis but they can buy him out (his contract is not guaranteed for next year). They will pay him 13.7 million to go away and clear his 28 million.

They will be awash in cap room, keep #1 and #10.

New owner making major moves...I mean you still have to convince free agents to play in New Orelans, it is much different in the NBA than the NFL Mr Benson, but this is a bold SMART move by a new owner.

Here's a question........ why would you make that deal if you're NO when you could've gotten more draft picks for your players from other teams and taken Lewis and their draft pick off WAS's hands for basically nothing?

Unless no one around the league wanted either of those two (which I doubt) this is just a knee-jerk reaction move to clear space for FA'a that have no interest in playing for a last place team.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Here's a question........ why would you make that deal if you're NO when you could've gotten more draft picks for your players from other teams and taken Lewis and their draft pick off WAS's hands for basically nothing?

The Hornets now have #1, #10, #46, and whatever their second round pick is.

How many more picks would they need to have?

We do not know what they could have gotten, most rumors indicated that the hornets wanted to give up #10 to get rid of okafor or ariza, they kept 10 and get rid of both

and saved 30 million dollars

[sixerfan1976]

agree great trade for NOH

washington now has a lineup of wall, beal,ariza,okafor,nene

solid i guess but not a contender.....beal more than likely goes to washington at 3 now

[phillysixed]

Here's a question........ why would you make that deal if you're NO when you could've gotten more draft picks for your players from other teams and taken Lewis and their draft pick off WAS's hands for basically nothing?

The Hornets now have #1, #10, #46, and whatever their second round pick is.

How many more picks would they need to have?

We do not know what they could have gotten, most rumors indicated that the hornets wanted to give up #10 to get rid of okafor or ariza, they kept 10 and get rid of both

and saved 30 million dollars

I'm not sure what free agents they are saving that money for besides Gordon and their draft picks because no FA is going to want to play for them without getting massively overpaid.

We don't know what's out there but I can't imagine that there would be zero interest in both those players. A team like CHA is looking for veterans at multiple positions (C, SF, G) and I heard they want to move Biyombo to PF as well as move the #2 pick for said veterans.

Not trying to say that CHA wouldmove the #2 pick for those guys but this seems like it was hastily done for shortsighted reasons.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

agree great trade for NOH

washington now has a lineup of wall, beal,ariza,okafor,nene

solid i guess but not a contender.....beal more than likely goes to washington at 3 now

two years of ariza and okafor shouldn't change who you're picking at #3 in the draft, that would just be foolish short term thinking, though maybe that's what the wizards are doing

[EugeneBWhitaker]

I'm not sure what free agents they are saving that money for besides Gordon and their draft picks because no FA is going to want to play for them without getting massively overpaid.
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It seems to you like it was hasty because you only heard about it when it was done. Do you think New Orleans just randomly called the wizards suggested a trade, and then made it when they said yes? I'm betting this took time to formulate and the hornets examined their options.

As for your FA comment - you never know until you try - the same could be said for the sixers - no one is going o want to play for them without getting massively overpaid.

1. Most NBA players are massively over paid when you think about it
2. There is a limited amount of money, not everyone gets paid what they want form the team they want.

A constant refrain of 'why bother to create cap room no one wants to play here' seems to be a pervading thought process here...it ignores the addtional benefits of cap room in trades and it just is a silly principle.

It's why the sixers never get better

[aHealthy3]

I like what Washington did, add veteran bigs and solid wing defenders to surround the core of Wall and soon to be Beal. The team basically allows them to become as good as Wall and Beal get, and that could be really freaking good.

[phillysixed]

I'm not sure what free agents they are saving that money for besides Gordon and their draft picks because no FA is going to want to play for them without getting massively overpaid.
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It seems to you like it was hasty because you only heard about it when it was done. Do you think New Orleans just randomly called the wizards suggested a trade, and then made it when they said yes? I'm betting this took time to formulate and the hornets examined their options.

As for your FA comment - you never know until you try - the same could be said for the sixers - no one is going o want to play for them without getting massively overpaid.

1. Most NBA players are massively over paid when you think about it
2. There is a limited amount of money, not everyone gets paid what they want form the team they want.

A constant refrain of 'why bother to create cap room no one wants to play here' seems to be a pervading thought process here...it ignores the addtional benefits of cap room in trades and it just is a silly principle.

It's why the sixers never get better

You're acting like WAS just received garbage and NO needed to make that deal when it was the other way around. The Wizards wanted no part of Lewis around anymore, especially when he's dogging it on the court.

Like I said, I doubt that both Ariza and Okafor had zero interest around the league. Hell, even one of the posters on this board was clamoring to have Okafor at the 5 spot for the SIxers so it's not like he's a crap player. Ariza can still play defense as well and provide scoring from the wing.

My point was that they could've saved money AND gotten more draft picks to build around since they're a small market team that stinks. Why spend money on free agents that you know won't play there? The Sixers are a bad example to compare because they've been in the playoff hunt and are a superstar away from being serious contenders; the Hornets OTOH need multiple pieces.

Even though we don't know what's going on behind the scenes the general consensus has been like you said that the Hornets are saving money. If that was the motive, why not wait for a better deal to come around when you're young and rebuilding plus and then take Lewis off WAS's hands? It just doesn't seem like the right time for them to be players in free agency.