Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Sportfan73]

I would want 4 picks in addition to Brogdan to even consider that offer. He's an average starter and gives us no real shot at winning a championship.

I think a 25-year-old Durant would be fair compensation for Ben.

He is absolutely an above average starter and if you believe in Maxey he is a great fit

[kuclas]

I would want 4 picks in addition to Brogdan to even consider that offer. He's an average starter and gives us no real shot at winning a championship.

I think a 25-year-old Durant would be fair compensation for Ben.

He is absolutely an above average starter and if you believe in Maxey he is a great fit

Forgot what bucks got for brodgon in sign and trade. A mid round first?

That’s basically what brodgon is worth.

I like him. But as his minutes have increased. His injuries have piled on. He has not been healthy for stretch playoff run 3 out of the last 4 season. He’s soon to be 29. Can he make a difference with embiid. Absolutely. If he’s healthy.

But Indiana is gonna to have to attach 3 more first draft picks. Including unprotected 2024/26 first round pick.

But realistically you are looking at Indians draft picks being in the 12-18 range if Simmons is on the pacers with Sabonis and levert. Sabonis may not be a good fit with Simmons in the playoffs also though.

[Sportfan73]

I think a 25-year-old Durant would be fair compensation for Ben.

He is absolutely an above average starter and if you believe in Maxey he is a great fit

Forgot what bucks got for brodgon in sign and trade. A mid round first?

That’s basically what brodgon is worth.

I like him. But as his minutes have increased. His injuries have piled on. He has not been healthy for stretch playoff run 3 out of the last 4 season. He’s soon to be 29. Can he make a difference with embiid. Absolutely. If he’s healthy.

But Indiana is gonna to have to attach 3 more first draft picks. Including unprotected 2024/26 first round pick.

But realistically you are looking at Indians draft picks being in the 12-18 range if Simmons is on the pacers with Sabonis and levert. Sabonis may not be a good fit with Simmons in the playoffs also though.

So, if that’s not the route, though only discussing due to it being an actual rumor, and taking into consideration that literally everyone has reported Morey has literally zero interest in a pick heavy futures package unless it’s going to a third team in the same deal where would you look instead?

[sodmoraes]

The thing is Ben´s image is reallly bad right now, with the "young socialite meme" , Everybody knows he´s pampered, and probably only wanna play in a big market. If i was an Indiana gm, would i risky a lot of my assets for a player that will probably ask out after 1-2 years?

[Sportfan73]

The thing is Ben´s image is reallly bad right now, with the "young socialite meme" , Everybody knows he´s pampered, and probably only wanna play in a big market. If i was an Indiana gm, would i risky a lot of my assets for a player that will probably ask out after 1-2 years?

Better do it soon, because it’s going to get worse

[Negrodamus]

The thing is Ben´s image is reallly bad right now, with the "young socialite meme" , Everybody knows he´s pampered, and probably only wanna play in a big market. If i was an Indiana gm, would i risky a lot of my assets for a player that will probably ask out after 1-2 years?

Asking out a second time in two years is a great way to kill the value of your contract, especially with a limited offensive skillset.

[Sportfan73]

The thing is Ben´s image is reallly bad right now, with the "young socialite meme" , Everybody knows he´s pampered, and probably only wanna play in a big market. If i was an Indiana gm, would i risky a lot of my assets for a player that will probably ask out after 1-2 years?

Asking out a second time in two years is a great way to kill the value of your contract, especially with a limited offensive skillset.

Yeah I don’t think he would do it again

[Sixerscan]

The thing is Ben´s image is reallly bad right now, with the "young socialite meme" , Everybody knows he´s pampered, and probably only wanna play in a big market. If i was an Indiana gm, would i risky a lot of my assets for a player that will probably ask out after 1-2 years?

Who knows what's going on in his head but if I think it would be a good idea for him to go to a small market especially if he's stuck on just never addressing the shooting. Once Fultz got to Orlando he went completely off the radar unless he had a good game.

[Kobblehead]

What can Detroit even offer? They won't give us Cunningham or Bey.

[the_process]

Let’s stop with the Indiana stuff. Detroit is apparently interested now.

DET gets Simmons and Springer
PHI gets Grant, Bey, Hield, and VanVleet
SAC gets Harris and Milton
TOR gets Bagley and Hayes

They 100 percent are not trading Harris. Like MAYBE next offseason but this isn’t 2k.

The Pistons have to include Grant to be able to salary match. Grant and Harris are repetitive, especially with Bey also coming back. They need to upgrade the 4.

[Sportfan73]

Let’s stop with the Indiana stuff. Detroit is apparently interested now.

DET gets Simmons and Springer
PHI gets Grant, Bey, Hield, and VanVleet
SAC gets Harris and Milton
TOR gets Bagley and Hayes

They 100 percent are not trading Harris. Like MAYBE next offseason but this isn’t 2k.

The Pistons have to include Grant to be able to salary match. Grant and Harris are repetitive, especially with Bey also coming back. They need to upgrade the 4.

I’m not arguing with your valuation or anything like that, but they are preaching continuity to everyone, they love Tobias. If he’s going it’s not now and not this year

[the_process]

Indiana does not have what it takes to get Ben unless it’s Sabonis to a 3rd team.

Brogdon and Levert are hurt more than Embiid is. They haven’t drafted in the top eight since 1989!

[Sportfan73]

Indiana does not have what it takes to get Ben unless it’s Sabonis to a 3rd team.

Brogdon and Levert are hurt more than Embiid is. They haven’t drafted in the top eight since 1989!

Yeah it definitely would be that. But like if it’s sabonis to SA and we can get back Brogdon and Murray?

[the_process]

They 100 percent are not trading Harris. Like MAYBE next offseason but this isn’t 2k.

The Pistons have to include Grant to be able to salary match. Grant and Harris are repetitive, especially with Bey also coming back. They need to upgrade the 4.

I’m not arguing with your valuation or anything like that, but they are preaching continuity to everyone, they love Tobias. If he’s going it’s not now and not this year

Their words and their actions don’t match up though. They talk about internal growth and continuity, but don’t want young players or draft picks in exchange for Ben and haven’t traded him yet, ensuring that there will upheaval once the new players arrive and are acclimated.

[Skates]

Sabonis is pretty much the franchise in Indiana, I can't see them moving him in any trade. Turner has always been the more likely to get shipped out. Levert and Brogdon have nice skill sets, nice, not amazing, but as noted, durability is a major concern with both.

[the_process]

Indiana does not have what it takes to get Ben unless it’s Sabonis to a 3rd team.

Brogdon and Levert are hurt more than Embiid is. They haven’t drafted in the top eight since 1989!

Yeah it definitely would be that. But like if it’s sabonis to SA and we can get back Brogdon and Murray?

I personally would not do that.

Sabonis and Lamb to GSW
Simmons and Milton to IND
Wiggins, Moody, Wiseman, and GSW 2022 1st to Team X
Team X player(s) to PHI

Something like that could work. Team X can’t be in NY or CA though.

[the_process]

Sabonis is pretty much the franchise in Indiana, I can't see them moving him in any trade. Turner has always been the more likely to get shipped out. Levert and Brogdon have nice skill sets, nice, not amazing, but as noted, durability is a major concern with both.

If the Pacers were to deal for Ben, Turner pairs well with Simmons and Sabonis does not. Also Sabonis is worth more so better return for the Sixers.

[Iverson Armband]

Ben Simmons is not worth an above average starter and another teams whole future. Lol c’mon guys, if you were an Indiana you’d be ok with your GM doing that?

While I agree with you, Ben's upside is what allures teams. Additionally, he is the first marketable All-Star that would be on the Pacers since Paul George.

LeVert, Sabonis, Ben, Turner, and Brissett would be enough to make them a top 5 seed in the East.

You’re not wrong, which is why I could see something like Brogdon and like two picks for Simmons. But you’ve got guys on here suggesting close to Harden Level packages for him, throwing in multiple pick swaps, the whole nine. Hell, Ben’s value wasn’t even that high before his latest meltdown, it’s just ridiculously homery at this point. Teams don’t care that we’re in a tough spot, that Joel’s window is closing, or that he’s our last chip to try to parlay in to a championship, his worth is his worth.

[Sportfan73]

Ben Simmons is not worth an above average starter and another teams whole future. Lol c’mon guys, if you were an Indiana you’d be ok with your GM doing that?

While I agree with you, Ben's upside is what allures teams. Additionally, he is the first marketable All-Star that would be on the Pacers since Paul George.

LeVert, Sabonis, Ben, Turner, and Brissett would be enough to make them a top 5 seed in the East.

You’re not wrong, which is why I could see something like Brogdon and like two picks for Simmons. But you’ve got guys on here suggesting close to Harden Level packages for him, throwing in multiple pick swaps, the whole nine. Hell, Ben’s value wasn’t even that high before his latest meltdown, it’s just ridiculously homery at this point. Teams don’t care that we’re in a tough spot, that Joel’s window is closing, or that he’s our last chip to try to parlay in to a championship, his worth is his worth.

It’s getting annoying as hell. They aren’t “holding out for a superstar” and they also aren’t straight up holding him all year. Morey will pivot, start listening to offers, get some semblance of a bidding war going and move him for a pretty decent package before opening night.

[Iverson Armband]

While I agree with you, Ben's upside is what allures teams. Additionally, he is the first marketable All-Star that would be on the Pacers since Paul George.

LeVert, Sabonis, Ben, Turner, and Brissett would be enough to make them a top 5 seed in the East.

You’re not wrong, which is why I could see something like Brogdon and like two picks for Simmons. But you’ve got guys on here suggesting close to Harden Level packages for him, throwing in multiple pick swaps, the whole nine. Hell, Ben’s value wasn’t even that high before his latest meltdown, it’s just ridiculously homery at this point. Teams don’t care that we’re in a tough spot, that Joel’s window is closing, or that he’s our last chip to try to parlay in to a championship, his worth is his worth.

It’s getting annoying as hell. They aren’t “holding out for a superstar” and they also aren’t straight up holding him all year. Morey will pivot, start listening to offers, get some semblance of a bidding war going and move him for a pretty decent package before opening night.

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