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Arsenal wrote:Mik317 wrote:this is probably my sunday nihilism talking but
none of this matters lol. Team has been **** for a while and we are all just waiting for Biid's ask out now...
Losing Basketball is the final hurdle to the blackpill lol.
He's talking to me lol.mjkvol wrote:sixers hoops wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
Yup this!
I know you were just passing along the theory from the article that Paul Reed would prevent them from signing a 10+ max guy, but it doesn’t make much sense. Maybe if Morey has a secret agreement with Paul George or Jrue it would make sense, but that isn’t the case. Jrue is the most down to earth of the group and likely to return to Philly, but I would assume he stays with the Bucks, assuming they are willing to pay.
I wasn't passing along or referring to anything. I'm just sick of the 'max slots' silliness when it comes to cap space - for one, no FA worth having will sign here, and number two and more importantly, it's time to stop looking at star chasing as the only way to build a championship team, especially for a 'non-destination'.
We just saw a team win with one star, a coming star, and a bunch of solid, well fitting role players. That same team has spent the off season accumulating draft picks because they know the way to sustain success is to find your role players in the draft and build around Jokic and Murray.
That could be us if we just stop chasing 'names' and start to draft and develop youth, and use cap space to sign those solid, well fitting role players. I don't get why that's such a foreign concept to so many fans.
LessMorey wrote:Problem is it's not a one year, $7 million deal. If he blows up next year he's cost controlled for two more seasons at $8 million. They would only have $7 million GTD over three years. That's terrible for someone in Paul's spot.
You'd think the only way they'd sign this deal is if they thought the Sixers would match. But, if they thought the Sixers would match why not go directly to the Sixers and find a better deal for both parties with less risk to Reed.
I still standby that they won't match given the contract structure is terrible for Reed & the Sixers. Makes me think this was the only place left he could go.
Mik317 wrote:losing reed isn't the last straw but its just yet another misuse of an asset and I don't think it bodes well for the future of that changing.
People keep going "oh its just a backup center lol" as if that exact issue hasn't cost this team whole ass playoff series. I am not even sure Reed is a consistent playoff performer. Could easily be a guy whose impact wears off which more time as it is based on randomness for the most part...but my angst isn't even based on Reed the player really... Its just that the team has constantly let usable players walk because "they don't matter" only for them to go elsewhere and blossom..it goes back to the Jerami Grant trade even. We traded him for Ersan who "fit" better and was going to help us win right now....only for Ersan to get washed soon and Jerami to figure it out. Same thought process of "oh its just a bench guy..who cares" Its a common phrase used by the franchise and some of its fanbase only for those bench guys to actually **** matter...
This "plan" for cap space is yet another in the long line of the team just stacking names and hoping for the best. I'd be more than okay with that "plan" if at the same time the GM wasn't desperately trying to keep Harden around and did other moves along the margins instead of two of his 3 signings so far being two washed guys he happened to know from his last stop. I hope my whining now gets proven to be pre mature when the GM pulls out a move I didn't think possible but as of right now all I can do is react to what I see now...and what I see now is that more than likely we will be a worse version of last years team...and either get stood up with our great cap space or use most of it to resign Harden lol.
I think that plan is stupid...just like I thought last offseason was dumb. Thats two offseasons in a row....why would I have faith that they suddenly get it right next time lol.
sixers hoops wrote:ProcessDoctor wrote:I think instead of waiting for the free agents to come to them they should go out and trade for who they want. Between Harden, Harris, Melton, and/or a 1st they should be able to bring back a longer-term star and solid role players that are worth keeping around.
The two max slot nonsense needs to stop though, as we’ll only be able to afford Maxey, Embiid and one other star moving forwards anyways.
I don’t even know if two Max slots makes sense. Even if they let Paul walk, maybe they get just over $60 million in cap space. That’s not two max contracts, and that’s just Embiid, Tucker, Springer, Maxey caphold, and charges for minimum contracts to fill out the rest of the roster. Even letting Springer go, might not get us there. What would max contracts for DeRozan and Siakim be? $100 million? And then how do we sign Maxey with going into the luxury tax? .
eyeatoma wrote:Deadline is midnight but we haven't heard anything. Is it normal for RFAs to be matched at the deadline or is it bad that nothing has happened yet?
HotelVitale wrote:sixers hoops wrote:ProcessDoctor wrote:I think instead of waiting for the free agents to come to them they should go out and trade for who they want. Between Harden, Harris, Melton, and/or a 1st they should be able to bring back a longer-term star and solid role players that are worth keeping around.
The two max slot nonsense needs to stop though, as we’ll only be able to afford Maxey, Embiid and one other star moving forwards anyways.
I don’t even know if two Max slots makes sense. Even if they let Paul walk, maybe they get just over $60 million in cap space. That’s not two max contracts, and that’s just Embiid, Tucker, Springer, Maxey caphold, and charges for minimum contracts to fill out the rest of the roster. Even letting Springer go, might not get us there. What would max contracts for DeRozan and Siakim be? $100 million? And then how do we sign Maxey with going into the luxury tax? .
Don’t think you’re totally off base and I’m very skeptical of the cap space strategy, but couple things in here:
1) a max for Siakam isn’t close to $50m to start, you’re thinking of a vet super max maybe. It’s 30% of cap so be about $40m
2) don’t think anyone’s talking about a full vet max for Derozan, he’ll be 34 next summer and has always been pretty one dimensional. Thinking maybe $30m?
3) also think Maxey would only cost like $16-17m more than what his cap hold is (bad internet here so can’t easily check) so we’d still be beneath tax. Maybe not even over it with adding other pieces to fill out roster
4) there’s no reason to avoid the luxury tax, and I’ve never heard there’s an absolute mandate from ownership. They made some moves to get under it this year because it was easy and didn’t cost them on the court, but i don’t think we have to keep that in mind as the third rail for team building. (If you’re thinking about the new CBA, that stuff starts at $18m over the luxury tax so way way over what we’d be talking about)
eyeatoma wrote:Deadline is midnight but we haven't heard anything. Is it normal for RFAs to be matched at the deadline or is it bad that nothing has happened yet?
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sixers hoops wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Deadline is midnight but we haven't heard anything. Is it normal for RFAs to be matched at the deadline or is it bad that nothing has happened yet?
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When one team adds clauses to screw over the other team, then making the other team wait as long as possible is standard. About 15 years ago, teams had way longer to decide so if someone tried to poach your free-agent, you could tie them up for a while. I’m not sure this bothers the Jazz that much.,
sixers hoops wrote:Jailblazers7 wrote:spikeslovechild wrote:
I am going to be the minority here but honestly, I don't care about pissing off Lebron - that is the whole problem of this league they are so worried about the feelings of players rather than the business of the NBA.
The NFL has a hundred millionaires too. They don't demand trades to certain teams. Why? Because their commissioner actually has a spine and players know if they tried that stunt their GM would say no and fine their ass til they saw blood if they refused to play
What Ben Simmons did was a joke. What Lillard is doing is a joke. At some point, it's incumbent on owners to protect their INVESTMENTS and PRODUCT. Fans shouldn't be more outraged than they are.
I don’t care about pissing off Lebron. But the owners do, Nike does, etc. You nailed it tho the owners are gonna have to be the ones to put their foot down & stop letting players do this. The Sixers are the only ones who have told a player to shove it with Simmons but that was unique because Ben was damaged goods.
I am ok with blaming Silver for a lot of things but ultimately he works for the owners. And the owners haven’t drummed up the courage to fight the players on this so it will continue. Green Bay just went through a ton of drama with Aaron Rodgers but they held firm for years & only traded him whenever it was advantageous for them.
Well, Green Bay renegotiated with Rogers to give him early money before last season and he agreed to stay another year. I think the Sixers ownership and Morey put up the biggest fight against a player trying to sabotage a team. I give the Sixers credit for doing what was best for their organization. And Ben had the right to sit out.