2025 NBA Draft (2)

Negrodamus · Post #1501 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:14 pm

Sounds like Essengue is cooking again. 13 points in 18 minutes so far.

sodmoraes · Post #1502 » by **sodmoraes** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:35 pm

Good breakdown of VJ shooting:
"- Relies heavily on stationary catch-and-shoot — very limited shot versatility
- Didn’t attempt an off-dribble 3 in first 5 games; hit first movement 3 after 17 games, but grew into it over the season.
- The majority of his bad misses came off the dribble
- Shooting mechanics don't lend themselves to shot versatility off movement/dribble. Refinement needed.
- No evidence of deep range — prefers to dribble in for a more manageable look even if open from deep."

Seems like he would need a lot of work to improve his offensive game. I dont think you pick him with the 3rd pick... If we dont want Ace, let´s get Tre, he´s a dynamite shooter who has the athletic ability to became better driving to the basket and defending a bit. I´m tired of drafting people with subpar shooting hope they will develop in that area, it´s not easy.

eyeatoma · Post #1503 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:42 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Queen does seem like a prime candidate to make people look back with regret that they passed on him because he was in poor shape as a college athlete.

Another athlete in poor shape. Not sure where I've seen that before.

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Post #1504 » by **Stanford** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:44 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:Queen does seem like a prime candidate to make people look back with regret that they passed on him because he was in poor shape as a college athlete.
Another athlete in poor shape. Not sure where I've seen that before.

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Who are you referring to?

Negrodamus · Post #1505 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:45 pm

Stanford wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:Queen does seem like a prime candidate to make people look back with regret that they passed on him because he was in poor shape as a college athlete.
Another athlete in poor shape. Not sure where I've seen that before.

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Who are you referring to?

Kevin Love, DeMarcus Cousins...

eyeatoma · Post #1506 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:46 pm

Stanford wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:Queen does seem like a prime candidate to make people look back with regret that they passed on him because he was in poor shape as a college athlete.
Another athlete in poor shape. Not sure where I've seen that before.

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Who are you referring to?

Jo

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Post #1507 » by **Stanford** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:00 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Stanford wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Another athlete in poor shape. Not sure where I've seen that before.

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Who are you referring to?
Jo

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He was pretty good I think

Mik317 · Post #1508 » by **Mik317** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:01 pm

again all of these guys in theory should improve with some nba training...be it the string beans in Ace, JV and Tre or my fellow fat bois in Kon and Queen.

the key is how much and what it does to them athletically. Some guys can't add to their frames and some are just naturally hefty

eyeatoma · Post #1509 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:07 pm

Stanford wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Stanford wrote:
Who are you referring to?
Jo

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He was pretty good I think

Sure and he could have been the best in the league for years. Will always be a what if.

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ProcessDoctor · Post #1510 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:15 pm

If being a top-50 player of all-time is a letdown for this franchise, the #3 pick this year is truly ****.

Negrodamus · Post #1511 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:23 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Stanford wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Jo

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He was pretty good I think
Sure and he could have been the best in the league for years. Will always be a what if.

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https://www.tiktok.com/@draftexpress/video/7501192726524792106

Arsenal · Post #1512 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:31 pm

sodmoraes wrote:

Read on Twitter

Good breakdown of VJ shooting:
"- Relies heavily on stationary catch-and-shoot — very limited shot versatility
- Didn’t attempt an off-dribble 3 in first 5 games; hit first movement 3 after 17 games, but grew into it over the season.
- The majority of his bad misses came off the dribble
- Shooting mechanics don't lend themselves to shot versatility off movement/dribble. Refinement needed.
- No evidence of deep range — prefers to dribble in for a more manageable look even if open from deep."

Seems like he would need a lot of work to improve his offensive game. I dont think you pick him with the 3rd pick... If we dont want Ace, let´s get Tre, he´s a dynamite shooter who has the athletic ability to became better driving to the basket and defending a bit. I´m tired of drafting people with subpar shooting hope they will develop in that area, it´s not easy.

Good breakdown. As I feared, he is a ROLE PLAYER. No way to VJ at #3 overall.

Negrodamus · Post #1513 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:39 pm

Read on Twitter

Alright, Egor is on here.

Covi_Marsh · Post #1514 » by **Covi_Marsh** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:39 pm

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eyeatoma · Post #1515 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:41 pm

For every athlete that has had health issues or weight problems they're are ones that overcome it.

Lets not gaslight and act like Jo came close to reaching his promised potential. He was an MVP and had a great 3 year run as a top 1-5 player where that should have lasted another 4-5 more years. His ideal playing weight should have been 260 or max 270 lbs. He was often over 300 which likely contributed to his knee issues.

We went from Brand to Bynum to Embiid. It would be nice to have a player big or not that does not come onto this team with either a preexisting lower body injury or a weight issue. That shouldn't be too much to ask.

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eyeatoma · Post #1516 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:44 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:If being a top-50 player of all-time is a letdown for this franchise, the #3 pick this year is truly ****.

He could have been top 10 and had legit goat potential. That is a huge range. And something only his talent allowed.

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Negrodamus · Post #1517 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:45 pm

If someone were to promise we that taking Maluach would guarantee the exact performance, injuries and all, of Joel Embiid, I'd stop discussing the 3rd pick and focus on the second round because he'd easily be the pick for me. Joel was a freak of nature and we only didn't go farther because of insane dysfunction in the front office.

Black Mage · Post #1518 » by **Black Mage** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:48 pm

CPops57 wrote:
Black Mage wrote:Kon goes on a podcast and admits he avoids "shooting" anything inside the arc b/c he's not comfortable doing it.

Do you have a source for this?

KOC combine podcast interview with Kon.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ_4g-CNqq5/ Short snippet. 3 for 21 from mid-range pull up.

eyeatoma · Post #1519 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:53 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If someone were to promise we that taking Maluach would guarantee the exact performance, injuries and all, of Joel Embiid, I'd stop discussing the 3rd pick and focus on the second round because he'd easily be the pick for me. Joel was a freak of nature and we only didn't go farther because of insane dysfunction in the front office.

And you think this is the organization to manage a player with those potential problems?

If it were a team like the Celtics that's a different story.

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youngcrev · Post #1520 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:55 pm

Black Mage wrote:
CPops57 wrote:
Black Mage wrote:Kon goes on a podcast and admits he avoids "shooting" anything inside the arc b/c he's not comfortable doing it.

Do you have a source for this?

KOC combine podcast interview with Kon.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ_4g-CNqq5/ Short snippet. 3 for 21 from mid-range pull up.

I see a guy that's self aware, knows what was a good shot for him within the context of his ability at the time and the context of the team, and knows it's a skill he needs to add.

Pretty stark contrast to bad shot taker guy that doesn't believe he has any weaknesses in his game.