2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[Marcus]

Doesn't feel like he's ever had somebody work with him on it. They will in the league and with his drive to be the best I think he can be molded.

Do you think his shot will have to be rebuilt from the ground up? Not only is the wierd hitch an issue, but his release point is so low that it looks like the ball is blocking his vision

If his shot was one smooth shooting motion, even with the low release point, i think he would still be more accurate with his shooting.

His coaches are already working with him to change his mechanics. Im not sure if it's MKG levels of broken, but the numbers are pretty eye opening. 57% from the line.. yeesh. He's an awful fit with Simmons and Embiid.

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Which coaches? Bill Self already said the Kansas staff wasn't going to try and change him since he was only going to be there one year.

[eagereyez]

Do you think his shot will have to be rebuilt from the ground up? Not only is the wierd hitch an issue, but his release point is so low that it looks like the ball is blocking his vision

If his shot was one smooth shooting motion, even with the low release point, i think he would still be more accurate with his shooting.

His coaches are already working with him to change his mechanics. Im not sure if it's MKG levels of broken, but the numbers are pretty eye opening. 57% from the line.. yeesh. He's an awful fit with Simmons and Embiid.

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Which coaches? Bill Self already said the Kansas staff wasn't going to try and change him since he was only going to be there one year.

It was mentioned in the Sixers subreddit. Let me look for the source.

Edit -

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/post-gazette/article/college-coaches-face-paradox-when-players-struggle-shoot

He's working with the assistant coach to refine his footwork and how he palms the ball. Nothing big or dramatic.

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[LloydFree]

Doesn't feel like he's ever had somebody work with him on it. They will in the league and with his drive to be the best I think he can be molded.

Do you think his shot will have to be rebuilt from the ground up? Not only is the wierd hitch an issue, but his release point is so low that it looks like the ball is blocking his vision

If his shot was one smooth shooting motion, even with the low release point, i think he would still be more accurate with his shooting.

I think it is going to need a lot of work. If he was shooting poorly, but hitting his FT's are a respectable rate, id have much more optimism. But shooting under 60% is simply horrendous. Thats like Okafor/Noel level FT shooting.

I agree, I'd be much more confident in his shooting potential if he was at about 65-69℅ from the line. But it's not a death blow for a Freshman. Russell Westbrook shot FT's at 55% as a Freshman.

[Kobblehead]

We seem to always have this conversation, but free throw shooting is all about suppressing your emotions and focusing. Josh is a very high strung player that seems to struggle with calming down and concentrating at the line.

His struggles at the line and from beyond the arc are completely unrelated, IMO.

It's worth noting that he's shooting over 40% on mid-range jumpers this year. Even without slashing, he can score buckets in his sleep. Guys like him are just on another level in terms of drive and desire to be great.

[AdotSmoove]

I need to see what the spacing is like when Simmons and Embiid are playing together. It's possible that the paint becomes too crowded due to those two, so the benefit of having a PG who's capable of driving to and finishing at the rim is diminished to a large extent. In that case it might be better to have someone who is already comfortable with 60% of their FGA coming from 3.

Not true. Simmons and Embiid can drive to the basket. Embiid is clearly a good shooter from every spot on the floor. Simmons will be at full speed driving down hill if a defender gives him too much space. Spacing is not a thing when your center and power forward can do the things that Embiid and Simmons can. Bottomline, Embiid and Simmons can stand behind the 3 point line out of the way as good as any other NBA player. If a defender sags off of Simmons too much while the PG is driving, there will be hell to pay. Simmons with a full head of steam will cause serious problems for the opposition.

Embiid is not a high volume 3 pt. shooter and his %s are coming back down to Earth. If our PG drives the paint and draws defenders, then kicks it out to SImmons, Simmons is supposed to then charge the paint and run into the wall of defenders that are already there? Prokafor logic .

Simmons is supposed to be the drive and kick PG


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[AdotSmoove]

Jackson needs to get rid of that hitch.

Doesn't feel like he's ever had somebody work with him on it. They will in the league and with his drive to be the best I think he can be molded.

Do you think his shot will have to be rebuilt from the ground up? Not only is the wierd hitch an issue, but his release point is so low that it looks like the ball is blocking his vision

If his shot was one smooth shooting motion, even with the low release point, i think he would still be more accurate with his shooting.

If his shot needs to be remolded is of little concern. It seems every player we draft needs to have their shot remolded (Simmons, Joel, Noel.) so if the Sixers get Jackson he will inevitably get injured requiring surgery then he'll rebuild his J and come back with a sparkly clean form. At this point, it's becoming a Sixers tradition.


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[Slizeezyc]

We seem to always have this conversation, but free throw shooting is all about suppressing your emotions and focusing. Josh is a very high strung player that seems to struggle with calming down and concentrating at the line.

His struggles at the line and from beyond the arc are completely unrelated, IMO.

It's worth noting that he's shooting over 40% on mid-range jumpers this year. Even without slashing, he can score buckets in his sleep. Guys like him are just on another level in terms of drive and desire to be great.

Could be on to something there to some extent. Jackson also seems to shoot better from deep when he just catches and shoots rather than waiting -- and oddly maybe even a little better when guarded. It's when he has time from beyond where it's some of his ugliest attempts as maybe he thinks about it too much.

[Ericb5]

We seem to always have this conversation, but free throw shooting is all about suppressing your emotions and focusing. Josh is a very high strung player that seems to struggle with calming down and concentrating at the line.

His struggles at the line and from beyond the arc are completely unrelated, IMO.

It's worth noting that he's shooting over 40% on mid-range jumpers this year. Even without slashing, he can score buckets in his sleep. Guys like him are just on another level in terms of drive and desire to be great.

Could be on to something there to some extent. Jackson also seems to shoot better from deep when he just catches and shoots rather than waiting -- and oddly maybe even a little better when guarded. It's when he has time from beyond where it's some of his ugliest attempts as maybe he thinks about it too much.

I don't understand why changing people's shooting form is so difficult, especially for guys that are bad shooters. I mean, I get that it IS difficult, but I don't understand why it should be.

We have high speed cameras and motion tracking they should very easily be able to show people how far away from ideal form any given shooter is. Break it down leaguer every practice and show him exactly how far out of true his form is.

If he puts his guide hand in the wrong spot then keep going over the film until he understands where to actually put it, and then force the repetition until it feels natural.

If he sticks the elbow too far out, then keep drilling him until he keeps it in.

For a guy like Jackson that seems to shoot on the way down, what is so difficult about getting him to shoot it earlier? I mean he is supposedly highly intelligent, highly motivated, and very receptive to coaching, so why the difficulty?

I understand that there is muscle memory in play, and that it would feel awkward for a while while you are trying to change the form, but it seems like it should be very doable.

Just verbally rap his knuckles until he has the form down, and then force him to repeat it until it feels natural. It really shouldn't be more complicated than that.




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[Kobblehead]

Malik Monk is struggling tonight. Seems lost whenever he gets the ball. Keeps turning it over and taking bad shots. Hopefully he shakes it and plays well down this 7 minute stretch.

[Kobblehead]

Clutch corner three from Gabriel to give them breathing room.

[Negrodamus]

If we win this game tonight, it's because of Gabriel.

He's an underrated prospect, speaking of which. Has a nice enough shot to be 3 and D. Could grow into more.

[Kobblehead]

Gabriel kind of reminds me of Jerami Grant.

[Kobblehead]

Is there any hope for Fox to develop a three point stroke similarly to Dennis Shroder? Because he's almost everything I want in a PG.

[Negrodamus]

Gabriel kind of reminds me of Jerami Grant.

Jerami is infinitely more athletic vertically. Fabriel is much more skilled (really good vision, help D, rebounding, much better shot).

Both make winning, role player plays.

[Negrodamus]

Malik is having a really bad game. Oh well, it happens.

[OleSchool]

I understand that there is muscle memory in play, and that it would feel awkward for a while while you are trying to change the form, but it seems like it should be very doable.

Just verbally rap his knuckles until he has the form down, and then force him to repeat it until it feels natural. It really shouldn't be more complicated than that.




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BINGO!

Breaking muscle memory is an almost impossible task. It takes years of practice. The same way most people who play golf still slice the ball years after taking up the game

[Kobblehead]

Fox is such a stabilizer. As soon as he subbed back in, Miss St. had their momentum halted.

[Kobblehead]

Malik is having a really bad game. Oh well, it happens.

I like that Cal has kept him on the floor, in spite of his bad game. Prove to the kid that you have confidence in him working through his issues.

[smittybanton]

Interesting game by Dennis Smith Jr. Seemed to consciously play distributor and make his teammates the focus. Also played alongside fellow freshman point guard Markell Johnson (6'1") for long stretches. Played some pretty smart/controlled ball together to bring NC St. back from a six point deficit with about 5min to go. Took the lead, closed it out. Curious how they rock out with that going forward.

[Kobblehead]

Fox is unstoppable on the dribble penetration. He's too shifty, quick and agile for anyone to stay in front of him.