Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[NYSixersFan]

Have not really posted on free agency, but now that it's almost here....

This is based on Embiid and Simmons being here...personally, I'm done with Ben..I'd be pleasantly surprised if we saw significant improvement....but let's go with Embiid and SImmons being here.....

1) I would offer Butler and Tobias 4 year max offers...I don't expect either will accept.

2) I would offer Redick a 2 year, 20 mil deal.

3) Assuming at least one of three are gone and we're not getting any of the big free agents, I would consider the following realistic targets that would cost more than the mid level:

Bojan Bogdanovic
Terrence Ross
Danny green
Nikola Mirotic
Jeremy Lamb
Patrick Beverly
Marcus Morris
Wes Mathews

For backup Center:

Dewayne Dedmon
Robin Lopez
Nerlens Noel

Players to consider for the mid level exemption:

Seth Curry
Wayne Ellington
Markieff Morris
Austin Rivers
Rondae Hollis Jefferson
Jeff Green
Rodney Hood
Justin Holiday
Cory Joseph
Trevor Ariza

You need to let 2 of JJ Jimmy Tobias walk before you get significant money under the cap.

I believe we would have 23 million in cap space if we signed either butler or Harris plus Redick.

[Aussiepiston1]

It feels like either Harris or Jimmy are gonna walk because they aren't happy with their role so I'm already getting used to the idea of Horford at 4 years 100 mil, JJ 3 years 27 mil and either Jimmy or Tobias at Max. With Jeff Green.Mike Scott,Trey Burke, Robin Lopez, jonah Bolden, Zaire Smith, Mattise Thybulle, Shake Milton etc

[XtremeDunkz]

The fact that we probably traded 2 first round picks and a rookie elite shooter for a 3 month rental of a non all star makes me physically sick.

[Tomjas]

The fact that we probably traded 2 first round picks and a rookie elite shooter for a 3 month rental of a non all star makes me physically sick.

Meh

If Harris leaves for less money then more fool him

[76ciology]

The fact that we probably traded 2 first round picks and a rookie elite shooter for a 3 month rental of a non all star makes me physically sick.

Three role players for a borderline star. I’d take it.

[XtremeDunkz]

The fact that we probably traded 2 first round picks and a rookie elite shooter for a 3 month rental of a non all star makes me physically sick.

Three role players for a borderline star. I’d take it.

3 players that would have been on the team for at least the next half decade as opposed to a guy we had for 3 months.... please. Theres no way to spin that in to an excusable trade.

[FireMorey]

They’re gonna sign Harris, the fact that you just mentioned they traded all that away is the reason. They know how bad they’d look letting him walk unless they have a viable replacement.

[76ciology]

The fact that we probably traded 2 first round picks and a rookie elite shooter for a 3 month rental of a non all star makes me physically sick.

Three role players for a borderline star. I’d take it.

3 players that would have been on the team for at least the next half decade as opposed to a guy we had for 3 months.... please. Theres no way to spin that in to an excusable trade.

i’d take my chances on harris. Just me maybe. But I’d take whatever calculated risks to be the most talented team in the league.

Trading for Bynum. Drafting injured players. Relying on lottery. Trading picks to move up. These made us who we are.

Role players are why Bobcats is and will be the bobcats.

We should appreciate a franchise who doesnt play safe and is willing to spend money to be a contender

[cool93]

The fact that we probably traded 2 first round picks and a rookie elite shooter for a 3 month rental of a non all star makes me physically sick.

Three role players for a borderline star. I’d take it.

3 players that would have been on the team for at least the next half decade as opposed to a guy we had for 3 months.... please. Theres no way to spin that in to an excusable trade.

Calling 2 future picks "2 players that would have been on the team for at least the next half decade" is just hilarious.

It was an overpay though.

[76ciology]

Why Tobias Harris.

Because you have to surround Ben with natural scorers who can be elite spot up shooters. This is also why Dario had a good chemistry with Ben (we were pairing those two a lot back then). You can’t surround Ben with a bunch of role players. Ben is not a scorer he plays more like a role player. Like a star caliber glue guy than a LeBron where you can surround him with a handful of delonte west aka “Shamet” type players.

Another thing is the limitation of our team relative to FA attractiveness. Sure I want Kd or Ad. But my belief is we’re just a second or third tier FA team. You dont hear players asking to be traded because they want to play in Philadelphia.

Tobias or Jimmy aren’t good enough to turn down 5 year offers. And if both re-signs, we should be the most or one of the most talented teams out there. We took a calculated risk.

While the alternative is the dark abyss of being a perpetual treadmill team with role players surrounding Ben and Biid.

[XtremeDunkz]

Why Tobias Harris.

Because you have to surround Ben with natural scorers who can be elite spot up shooters. This is also why Dario had a good chemistry with Ben (we were pairing those two a lot back then). You can’t surround Ben with a bunch of role players. Ben is not a scorer he plays more like a role player. Like a star caliber glue guy than a LeBron where you can surround him with a handful of delonte west aka “Shamet” type players.

Another thing is the limitation of our team relative to FA attractiveness. Sure I want Kd or Ad. But my belief is we’re just a second or third tier FA team. You dont hear players asking to be traded because they want to play in Philadelphia.

Tobias or Jimmy aren’t good enough to turn down 5 year offers. And if both re-signs, we should be the most or one of the most talented teams out there. We took a calculated risk.

While the alternative is the dark abyss of being a perpetual treadmill team with role players surrounding Ben and Biid.

Or we can trade Ben and stop handicapping the rest of our roster because of his BS allergy of shooting the rock.

[Kolkmania]

It feels like either Harris or Jimmy are gonna walk because they aren't happy with their role so I'm already getting used to the idea of Horford at 4 years 100 mil, JJ 3 years 27 mil and either Jimmy or Tobias at Max. With Jeff Green.Mike Scott,Trey Burke, Robin Lopez, jonah Bolden, Zaire Smith, Mattise Thybulle, Shake Milton etc

Not a realistic scenario. Horford at 25m per year is only possible when Butler leaves. His higher cap hold would prevent us from creating enough room for Horford. In addition, using cap room to sign Horford would prevent us from using the Non-Taxpayer MLE and BAE.
So Jeff Green, Trey Burke, Robin Lopez and Shake Milton would have to sign for a combined 4.7m or less. Spoiler, that's not going to happen.

[51X3RF4N]

If Tobias signs elsewhere, I sign Horford.

If Jimmy signs elsewhere, I offer Brogdon.

If Jimmy wants to tell us he wants to play for Houston and we need to work on a sign and trade scenario, then I guess its Eric Gordon plus whatever you can flip Capela for.

[51X3RF4N]

Why Tobias Harris.

Because you have to surround Ben with natural scorers who can be elite spot up shooters. This is also why Dario had a good chemistry with Ben (we were pairing those two a lot back then). You can’t surround Ben with a bunch of role players. Ben is not a scorer he plays more like a role player. Like a star caliber glue guy than a LeBron where you can surround him with a handful of delonte west aka “Shamet” type players.

Another thing is the limitation of our team relative to FA attractiveness. Sure I want Kd or Ad. But my belief is we’re just a second or third tier FA team. You dont hear players asking to be traded because they want to play in Philadelphia.

Tobias or Jimmy aren’t good enough to turn down 5 year offers. And if both re-signs, we should be the most or one of the most talented teams out there. We took a calculated risk.

While the alternative is the dark abyss of being a perpetual treadmill team with role players surrounding Ben and Biid.

Or we can trade Ben and stop handicapping the rest of our roster because of his BS allergy of shooting the rock.

Problem with Ben, a 22 year old All Star 6'10 PG who was 4 bounces from leading his team to an NBA Championship, is that what happens if he actually does find his jumper over the next 2 offseasons??

You just traded a top 5 player in the NBA over the next 10 years.

[cool93]

Problem with Ben, a 22 year old All Star 6'10 PG who was 4 bounces from leading his team to an NBA Championship, is that what happens if he actually does find his jumper over the next 2 offseasons??

You just traded a top 5 player in the NBA over the next 10 years.

He is all-star only in RS games and mostly against weak competition. Watch how he kills offence on every posession in half court and how atrocious he is every times he faces capable defence in playoffs.

Leading?? Are you serious? He had 11.6 ppg while clogging the paint for others. How the **** is that leading? He was a role player in that series. Albeit good one.

[Lou_23]

Howard Beck: “I have heard some very strong rumblings this week that the Sixers are gonna lose one – and maybe even both – of Tobias Harris and Jimmy Butler.”

“Take it will all due grains of salt, we’re talking about this still on June 21, but I would not be surprised if Jimmy Butler and/or Tobias Harris go elsewhere. The Sixers just have some strange dynamics with that group.”

[the_process]

Why Tobias Harris.

Because you have to surround Ben with natural scorers who can be elite spot up shooters. This is also why Dario had a good chemistry with Ben (we were pairing those two a lot back then). You can’t surround Ben with a bunch of role players. Ben is not a scorer he plays more like a role player. Like a star caliber glue guy than a LeBron where you can surround him with a handful of delonte west aka “Shamet” type players.

Another thing is the limitation of our team relative to FA attractiveness. Sure I want Kd or Ad. But my belief is we’re just a second or third tier FA team. You dont hear players asking to be traded because they want to play in Philadelphia.

Tobias or Jimmy aren’t good enough to turn down 5 year offers. And if both re-signs, we should be the most or one of the most talented teams out there. We took a calculated risk.

While the alternative is the dark abyss of being a perpetual treadmill team with role players surrounding Ben and Biid.

Or we can trade Ben and stop handicapping the rest of our roster because of his BS allergy of shooting the rock.

Problem with Ben, a 22 year old All Star 6'10 PG who was 4 bounces from leading his team to an NBA Championship, is that what happens if he actually does find his jumper over the next 2 offseasons??

You just traded a top 5 player in the NBA over the next 10 years.

Ben’s upside looks like a glorified Draymond. Don’t get me wrong, that’s a good player; but since he’s not shooting you have to construct the rest of the team to compensate for that flaw. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that this guy is going to come back shooting enough to create any gravity. Hell, I’d be surprised if he can even shoot FT’s at 70% come the fall.

[youngcrev]

Howard Beck: “I have heard some very strong rumblings this week that the Sixers are gonna lose one – and maybe even both – of Tobias Harris and Jimmy Butler.”

“Take it will all due grains of salt, we’re talking about this still on June 21, but I would not be surprised if Jimmy Butler and/or Tobias Harris go elsewhere. The Sixers just have some strange dynamics with that group.”

Yeah, I read that. Basically, he's saying the Sixers could lose one, both, or none of the 2. Really went out on a limb...

[Mik317]

we'd just trade those picks anyway...so Elton just did it sooner

[nitocobola]

Howard Beck: “I have heard some very strong rumblings this week that the Sixers are gonna lose one – and maybe even both – of Tobias Harris and Jimmy Butler.”

“Take it will all due grains of salt, we’re talking about this still on June 21, but I would not be surprised if Jimmy Butler and/or Tobias Harris go elsewhere. The Sixers just have some strange dynamics with that group.”

“Take it will all due grains of salt, we’re talking about this still on June 21"

So he has no idea wtf he's talking about and could be comptlely wrong.