76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[Jailblazers7]

Why has OKC seemingly run such a better "Process" than Philly?

Ownership meddling I guess? Wasn't a real Process the minute Sam got fired really, was all downhill from there.

Started with some higher value assets as well I suppose.

Have drafted better in the aggregate by a good margin.

Crazy how well set up that team is.

I think they were less brazen publicly about their strategy & they benefited from the lack of scrutiny you get in OKC. The NBA is gonna care about Philly, a legacy franchise in the 6th largest city, but doesn’t care about a newish franchise in the 18th largest city.

But they had some serious luck in trades. Kawhi gifted them insane leverage in the Paul George trade which netted them an all-time haul.

Massive credit to them for drafting so well tho.

[Stanford]

Why has OKC seemingly run such a better "Process" than Philly?

Did you see what they started with?

[M2J]

Why has OKC seemingly run such a better "Process" than Philly?

Ownership meddling I guess? Wasn't a real Process the minute Sam got fired really, was all downhill from there.

Started with some higher value assets as well I suppose.

Have drafted better in the aggregate by a good margin.

Crazy how well set up that team is.

Very simple answer. That trade for George bringing in all those picks, but mainly SGA has really worked out. He's been healthy, and he's a legit superstar. They've drafted great, and will grow together. But it's not as if they've proven playoff success or anything.

I can specifically say I only started watching the sixers when it seemed as if the process has worked. I really started during that stretch with Ben Simmons winning during that stretch without Joel. Looked like this process was unstoppable then..... And Celtics happened

[blargh]

Don’t we need to see OKC do something in the playoffs before deciding they’ve run a better Process? I remember when we had a couple of years where the ceiling on an Embiid/Simmons team seemed limitless. Things have a way of going south.

[zaz102]

Don’t we need to see OKC do something in the playoffs before deciding they’ve run a better Process? I remember when we had a couple of years where the ceiling on an Embiid/Simmons team seemed limitless. Things have a way of going south.

I agree, but if I was a betting man I would be they'd be better off but who knows. I don't think anybody thought the original OKC trio would end up the eay they did either.

[Negrodamus]

Top 12 in NBA history in points scored per 100 possessions...

1. '24 Pacers
2. '24 Bucks
3. '24 Celtics
4. '24 76ers
5. '24 Hawks
6. '24 Thunder
7. '23 Kings
8. '24 Mavericks
9. '24 Nuggets
10. '21 Nets
11. '24 Clippers
12. '24 Knicks

I think my favorite part of the discussion of today's NBA compared to years past is the idea that the stars of today would not survive in the "violent" NBA of the 90s and earlier. Embiid is a "FT merchant" and rarely puts himself in foul trouble because that's what the rules of the game demand today. If he was allowed to blast through the defenders chest and dunk it, a la Shaq, he would do that more often. If defenders were allowed to be more aggressive on the perimeter (hand checking, close out underneath shooter, etc), then threes would be harder to come by and players would have to drive more/take more midrange. Most players would be able to adapt to the old rules if they grew up in that era.

This list isn't surprising to me; the NBA has handcuffed the defense quite a bit. That said, serious injuries are less likely in this format.

The first time Embiid would try and drive the basket, he'd be sent into the 4th row, get injured and be out 3 weeks. He can barely stay healthy for 60 games a season in today's game where you can't touch anyone.

Lmao, yep, sending a 7’2 280lb center into the 4th row. Don’t you remember back when they were doing that regularly.

[NYSixersFan]

How about Gary Trent? Expiring contract

[the_process]

How about Gary Trent? Expiring contract

Supposedly did not get along with Nurse.

[Doramas]

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[Doramas]

How about Gary Trent? Expiring contract

Supposedly did not get along with Nurse.

Wow...did Nurse get along with any players in Toronto?


Once Anunoby is out of the question, the Sixers should be aggressive and go after Mikal Bridges. Then they could go more relaxed to get a guard.

For me, the absolute priority would be a two-way forward, and Mikal for me is the ideal one. We also need someone at guard, but I would focus on the forward first.

[Snotbubbles]

I think my favorite part of the discussion of today's NBA compared to years past is the idea that the stars of today would not survive in the "violent" NBA of the 90s and earlier. Embiid is a "FT merchant" and rarely puts himself in foul trouble because that's what the rules of the game demand today. If he was allowed to blast through the defenders chest and dunk it, a la Shaq, he would do that more often. If defenders were allowed to be more aggressive on the perimeter (hand checking, close out underneath shooter, etc), then threes would be harder to come by and players would have to drive more/take more midrange. Most players would be able to adapt to the old rules if they grew up in that era.

This list isn't surprising to me; the NBA has handcuffed the defense quite a bit. That said, serious injuries are less likely in this format.

The first time Embiid would try and drive the basket, he'd be sent into the 4th row, get injured and be out 3 weeks. He can barely stay healthy for 60 games a season in today's game where you can't touch anyone.

Lmao, yep, sending a 7’2 280lb center into the 4th row. Don’t you remember back when they were doing that regularly.

It was a euphemism, meaning he would be getting fouled extremely hard. I think you knew that, but...

Embiid is peanut brittle, he'd stay healthy for maybe 45-50 games in the 80s and early 90s.

[Bum Adebayo]

Don’t we need to see OKC do something in the playoffs before deciding they’ve run a better Process? I remember when we had a couple of years where the ceiling on an Embiid/Simmons team seemed limitless. Things have a way of going south.

You mean like reaching NBA finals (2012) instead of being perennial 2nd round fodder?

[Negrodamus]

The first time Embiid would try and drive the basket, he'd be sent into the 4th row, get injured and be out 3 weeks. He can barely stay healthy for 60 games a season in today's game where you can't touch anyone.

Lmao, yep, sending a 7’2 280lb center into the 4th row. Don’t you remember back when they were doing that regularly.

It was a euphemism, meaning he would be getting fouled extremely hard. I think you knew that, but...

Embiid is peanut brittle, he'd stay healthy for maybe 45-50 games in the 80s and early 90s.

I mean, you're basically the type of fan I was talking about. Embiid would play through the pain and likely re-injure his foot. 1980s Joel Embiid would have been Sam Bowie. Wouldn't that be great? It's a shame we take precautions on enormous men with lower body injuries instead of forcing them to play through the pain and completely derail his career.

The point about getting fouled extremely hard is, once again, not true. If it doesn't benefit players to exaggerate fouls, then they wouldn't exaggerate fouls. If you have an issue with the "softness" of the league, blame the NBA, not the players. They are exploiting the rules put in front of them.

[zaz102]

Don’t we need to see OKC do something in the playoffs before deciding they’ve run a better Process? I remember when we had a couple of years where the ceiling on an Embiid/Simmons team seemed limitless. Things have a way of going south.

You mean like reaching NBA finals (2012) instead of being perennial 2nd round fodder?

I'm going out on a limb and assume he's not talking about the Durant/Westbrook OKC group...

[Bum Adebayo]

Don’t we need to see OKC do something in the playoffs before deciding they’ve run a better Process? I remember when we had a couple of years where the ceiling on an Embiid/Simmons team seemed limitless. Things have a way of going south.

You mean like reaching NBA finals (2012) instead of being perennial 2nd round fodder?

I'm going out on a limb and assume he's not talking about the Durant/Westbrook OKC group...

Sure, but they've had more success than us already, so it's us that need to do better to prove successful rebuild. I remember Sixers fans mocking Miami Heat in 2018 and their "culture", well well they got to two finals since then and we still can't get past 2nd round.

[Sixerscan]

You mean like reaching NBA finals (2012) instead of being perennial 2nd round fodder?

I'm going out on a limb and assume he's not talking about the Durant/Westbrook OKC group...

Sure, but they've had more success than us already, so it's us that need to do better to prove successful rebuild. I remember Sixers fans mocking Miami Heat in 2018 and their "culture", well well they got to two finals since then and we still can't get past 2nd round.

If you stopped constantly looking for things to complain about you’d probably realize the point you’re making here doesn’t make any sense.

[Sixteen]

Would Rubio have been bigger if he came in the league today? He's been as good as advertised, just started his career on some crap teams. I wonder how he would have looked on a more competent organization and with this fast pace of the modern NBA

[Bum Adebayo]

I'm going out on a limb and assume he's not talking about the Durant/Westbrook OKC group...

Sure, but they've had more success than us already, so it's us that need to do better to prove successful rebuild. I remember Sixers fans mocking Miami Heat in 2018 and their "culture", well well they got to two finals since then and we still can't get past 2nd round.

If you stopped constantly looking for things to complain about you’d probably realize the point you’re making here doesn’t make any sense.

I'm not complaining about anything though.

[Snotbubbles]

Lmao, yep, sending a 7’2 280lb center into the 4th row. Don’t you remember back when they were doing that regularly.

It was a euphemism, meaning he would be getting fouled extremely hard. I think you knew that, but...

Embiid is peanut brittle, he'd stay healthy for maybe 45-50 games in the 80s and early 90s.

I mean, you're basically the type of fan I was talking about. Embiid would play through the pain and likely re-injure his foot. 1980s Joel Embiid would have been Sam Bowie. Wouldn't that be great? It's a shame we take precautions on enormous men with lower body injuries instead of forcing them to play through the pain and completely derail his career.

The point about getting fouled extremely hard is, once again, not true. If it doesn't benefit players to exaggerate fouls, then they wouldn't exaggerate fouls. If you have an issue with the "softness" of the league, blame the NBA, not the players. They are exploiting the rules put in front of them.

I don't have an issue with the NBA today, but I'm not going to pretend like Embiid would be a picture of health with the way the game used to be played. His body would never hold up to the pounding it would take in the 80s and early 90s. His body doesn't hold up today, in a league where it's mostly finesse, he gets maintenance days, doesn't have to play back-to-backs, and the rough play has been legislated out of the game.

The funny thing is, no matter what precautions the Sixers take with Embiid, the guy is always hurt come playoff time. One time is bad luck, two times is a coincidence, every year, it's just a fact of life for the guy.

[Sixerscan]

Idk if finesse is really ideal for him. You have to run and sprint out at shooters and so on a lot more than you used to and that puts a beating on big guys’ joints. His serious injuries have usually been stuff like that or some freak thing as opposed to someone fouling him hard in the post or something.

But yeah some coach probably would have destroyed his foot before he ever even made an all star team.