SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Tension]

Wiz have an awful coach and a young team that still will need to grow but they could easily make the playoffs next year as a 7 or 8 seed considering all you have to do is go .500 in the east. If Sloan became the coach of that team, they could be dangerous.

[Do the Jrue]

Can't wait for this off season to move forward. I'm definitely in the minority but if we could sign Hawes for 10 mil for 2 years would u do it?

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Oh hell the **** no.

[corwin]

I want Hawes gone. Period.

+1. No need for cap clogging players that keep you stuck in mediocrity.

[mybestfiend]

The Wizards roster after this trade as currently stands > Sixers roster this past season. Considering we'll only have 5 people under contract after Brand is amnestied we better be making some big moves. Nene was fat and lazy? No his contract just sucked balls and they wanted to go young with McGee, Mozgov and Faried. Ariza does the same things that Iguodala does at half the price and he's actually 2 years younger, not an "aging vet". Nene and Okafor is a better front court than we've put out there in 10 years unless you wanna debate that Webber on his last leg and Sam Dalembert back in 05-06 was a better one seven years ago.

Wall > Jrue
Beal >>>>>>>>>> Turner
Ariza <<< Iguodala
Nene >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brand
Okafor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawes

Oh please, Beal is better than Turner but not by as much as you think, and if you would rather have Beal/Ariza than Turner/Iggy I don't know what to tell you.

[Numb3rs]

I want Hawes gone. Period.

+1. No need for cap clogging players that keep you stuck in mediocrity.

You know what I find super ironic? Hawes is only about 6 months older than Turner, and yet Turner is supposedly some saviour who is going to 'develop' into a superstar while Hawes is just some stiff who has no room to improve...

Hawes has at least shown double-double potential in this league. But hey, I guess skilled 7 footers just grow on trees these days...

[PhilasFinest]

Hawes will never average a double double in his entire career. I'd bet $ on it.

And Hawes isn't as skilled as some think. He's got a streaky mid range jumper when open, that's it.
He rarely uses the post up, and when he does he's so slow footed and robotic it's easy to defend.
Add in the fact that he's injured all the time and I'll let someone else have him.

Also, if there's a Spencer Hawes tree, let me know. I'd like to make toilet paper from it.

[Numb3rs]

So Moultrie is the answer to all our PF/C problem?

[SouthJersey]

I want Hawes gone. Period.

+1. No need for cap clogging players that keep you stuck in mediocrity.

You know what I find super ironic? Hawes is only about 6 months older than Turner, and yet Turner is supposedly some saviour who is going to 'develop' into a superstar while Hawes is just some stiff who has no room to improve...

Hawes has at least shown double-double potential in this league. But hey, I guess skilled 7 footers just grow on trees these days...

Hawes was drafted in 2007, Turner in 2010. I also think Turner will improve much more next season.

What you see out of Hawes is basically what your gonna get. But he does have some value, like shooting and size, and I think he will improve and get stronger over time, which will help with his rebounding.

[Numb3rs]

And Hawes isn't as skilled as some think. He's got a streaky mid range jumper when open, that's it.

Just out of interest who in this league would you classify as a skilled big man?

[PhilasFinest]

So Moultrie is the answer to all our PF/C problem?

No not at all. But Spencer Hawes certainly isn't.

[Gsraider]

You know what I find super ironic? Hawes is only about 6 months older than Turner, and yet Turner is supposedly some saviour who is going to 'develop' into a superstar while Hawes is just some stiff who has no room to improve...

Hawes has at least shown double-double potential in this league. But hey, I guess skilled 7 footers just grow on trees these days...

Both Turner and Hawes are skilled players with clear flaws. As for Hawes, I wouldn't say for a second that he doesn't have very good skills for a 7' or that he doesn't have a pretty high basketball IQ. Unfortunately, he's almost adverse to contact and is painfully slow at times. Physical defenders take him out of the game and athletic, agile defenders make him look like he's running through cement. I just don't know how you fix that. He could possibly add some quickness, but probably not enough to make a huge difference. As for toughness, he's never really had that and after about 5 years in the league, I doubt it's coming any time soon.

[PhilasFinest]

And Hawes isn't as skilled as some think. He's got a streaky mid range jumper when open, that's it.

Just out of interest who in this league would you classify as a skilled big man?

Skilled Big Man:
Andrew Bynum
Pau Gasol
Kevin Love
Marc Gasol
Al Jefferson
Lamarcus Aldridge
Zach Randolph
Brook Lopez (when healthy)

I don't put Spencer Hawes near that category.

[Numb3rs]

Hawes was actually the second best rebounder on a per minute basis this season...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2012.html#per_minute::17

[PhilasFinest]

Hawes was actually the second best rebounder on a per minute basis this season...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2012.html#per_minute::17

Our team was horrendous at rebounding this year and our best rebounder was a shooting guard.
Anyone that is 7 foot tall with extended minutes could do this.

Hawes is not a starting center for a winning basketball team.

[SouthJersey]

Hawes will never average a double double in his entire career. I'd bet $ on it.

And Hawes isn't as skilled as some think. He's got a streaky mid range jumper when open, that's it.
He rarely uses the post up, and when he does he's so slow footed and robotic it's easy to defend.
Add in the fact that he's injured all the time and I'll let someone else have him.

Also, if there's a Spencer Hawes tree, let me know. I'd like to make toilet paper from it.

LOL.
Sadly, he really is slow footed and robotic.

I think Spencer needs to develop a hook shot because he is so slow and any above average defender will be able to stop his post up.

But like others have said, I'm willing to give him a chance if healthy and he comes cheap. I don't consider him part of the starting lineup, but he could produce when given 25 minutes off the bench.

[PhilasFinest]

I'd rather develop Vucevic and have him get PT then pay Hawes. IMO, Vucevic could give us what Hawes did given the same amount of minutes.

Hawes isn't going to dramatically change. He could add a New wrinkle to his game here or there but IMO he is not going to become much different. He's also got a bad back, something that doesn't magically go away and limits what you can do to from a conditioning/training standpoint.

[Numb3rs]

Hawes was actually the second best rebounder on a per minute basis this season...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2012.html#per_minute::17

Our team was horrendous at rebounding this year and our best rebounder was a shooting guard.
Anyone that is 7 foot tall with extended minutes could do this.

Hawes is not a starting center for a winning basketball team.

Even so Hawes was the second best rebounder on a poor rebounding team. Are we a bad rebounding team because he is our center or are the rest of the players on the team bad rebounders?

[PhilasFinest]

Hawes was actually the second best rebounder on a per minute basis this season...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2012.html#per_minute::17

Our team was horrendous at rebounding this year and our best rebounder was a shooting guard.
Anyone that is 7 foot tall with extended minutes could do this.

Hawes is not a starting center for a winning basketball team.

Even so Hawes was the second best rebounder on a poor rebounding team. Are we a bad rebounding team because he is our center or are the rest of the players on the team bad rebounders?

I think it's because of our weak front court mainly, (Hawes being there certainly didnt help IMO)
Iguodala isn't a bad rebounder for the 3 spot, and Turner is one of the best rebounding guards in the league. Holiday rebounds well for a point guard.

[Kobblehead]

Hawes was actually the second best rebounder on a per minute basis this season...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2012.html#per_minute::17

Our team was horrendous at rebounding this year and our best rebounder was a shooting guard.
Anyone that is 7 foot tall with extended minutes could do this.

Hawes is not a starting center for a winning basketball team.

Even so Hawes was the second best rebounder on a poor rebounding team. Are we a bad rebounding team because he is our center or are the rest of the players on the team bad rebounders?

Some of our guards and forwards rank among the best rebounders at their position in the entire league. Spencer is a decent enough defensive rebounder. His problem is that he can't give you anything on the offensive glass because he doesn't play with a high motor and doesn't move well.

[The Sixer Fixer]

If we are going on a "per minute" basis as far as rebounding goes, Hawes honestly isn't as bad as some people suggest. He's soft, weak, whatever you want to call it, but he's right there in relation to many other "good" rebounder guys on a per 48 minute basis. Do I think he can sustain his rate when playing 35 MPG, probably not, but still doesn't make him poor based on the time he is on the court. He just plays soft so it makes it look worse.

Here's the Rebound Per 48 Minute #'s for some guys for comparison:
Camby = 18.8
Howard = 18.2
Love = 16.4
Bynum = 16.1
Duncan = 15.3
Gortat = 15.0
McGee = 14.9
Favors = 14.7
D. Jordan = 14.6
Griffin = 14.4
Hibbert = 14.2
Hawes = 14.1
Jefferson = 13.5
P. Gasol = 13.4
Ibaka = 13.3
Okafor = 13.1
Josh Smith = 13.0
Millsap = 12.9
Garnett = 12.7
Nene = 12.6
Brand = 11.9
Marc Gasol = 11.7
Perkins = 11.7