2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[smittybanton]

If there's a guy in the draft who's benefitted on this year's NBA Finals, it's Josh Jackson. Where GSW showed how important versatility is in today's basketball.

KD&LBJ really stood out in the finals.

There's also, on the one hand, GS doing everything they could to get Steph away from and Klay onto Kyrie Irving--suggesting that you want a good defender guarding point guards, not just a little guy.

On the other hand, Kyrie showed that with his incredibly ballhandling skill that he could score on even the best--which in my mind supports Dennis Smith Jr.

[smittybanton]

According to ESPN's Chad Ford, the Lakers have "held internal discussions about trading back two spots to No. 4 if the Suns were to offer them a 2018 first-round pick." L.A. would have a plenty of options if they moved back a couple of spots, and Tatum is certainly a player they would consider.

I interpret this to mean that SAC and PHIL are having discussions surrounding #3 for the #5 and #10 for Josh Jackson, and that Phoenix is feeling the pressure to move up past the Sixers if they've decided on Jackson as well.

[Negrodamus]

I still think Colangelo is going to take Fox unless Fultz drops to 3. Can't say I'd be mad about that either.

[76ciology]

I also like to add that transition offense plays a big role in today's game. Specially on regular season when defense is ultra soft. JJ can be a very good transition player on both ends, just like a young Iggy.

Come to think of it.. If Iggy was in today's draft how high would he pick as a player out from arizona? Definitely higher than Ball and Jackson right?

[LloydFree]

If this happened I would be pissed.

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One thing I agree with on with their Mock is they have Donovan Mitchell a little lower than I've been seeing lately. Personally, I think Mitchell will fall out of the lottery altogether, unless a team like the 76ers acquires​ the 10th pick and uses it for need. I don't like Jarrett Allen, but I do think a team will gamble on his size, before taking Mitchell. I also wouldn't be surprised if Luke Kennard goes ahead of Mitchell, because Duke shooting specialists always get over-drafted. Nobody is going to spend their lone lottery pick on a 6'2 SG (Mitchell), unless he's a shooting specialist.

[SelfishPlayer]

If this happened I would be pissed.

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One thing I agree with on with their Mock is they have Donovan Mitchell a little lower than I've been seeing lately. Personally, I think Mitchell will fall out of the lottery altogether, unless a team like the 76ers acquires​ the 10th pick and uses it for need. I don't like Jarrett Allen, but I do think a team will gamble on his size, before taking Mitchell. I also wouldn't be surprised if Luke Kennard goes ahead of Mitchell, because Duke shooting specialists always get over-drafted. Nobody is going to spend their lone lottery pick on a 6'2 SG (Mitchell), unless he's a shooting specialist.

Donovan Mitchell is a 3&D player, everyone's looking for them.

[Kobblehead]

I also like to add that transition offense plays a big role in today's game. Specially on regular season when defense is ultra soft. JJ can be a very good transition player on both ends, just like a young Iggy.

Come to think of it.. If Iggy was in today's draft how high would he pick as a player out from arizona? Definitely higher than Ball and Jackson right?

Iguodala was scoring sub-13 ppg as a sophomore with poor three point shooting numbers. I highly doubt NBA front offices would value him anywhere near the top of the draft. He'd probably be clumped in with Donovan Mitchaell and OG Anunoboy in the 10-15 range as a two year collegiate defensive specialist.

[SelfishPlayer]

If there's a guy in the draft who's benefitted on this year's NBA Finals, it's Josh Jackson. Where GSW showed how important versatility is in today's basketball.

KD&LBJ really stood out in the finals.

There's also, on the one hand, GS doing everything they could to get Steph away from and Klay onto Kyrie Irving--suggesting that you want a good defender guarding point guards, not just a little guy.

On the other hand, Kyrie showed that with his incredibly ballhandling skill that he could score on even the best--which in my mind supports Dennis Smith Jr.

When has Dennis Smith Jr ever displayed incredible ballhandling skills?

[kriss73]

I think the team that made the promise to JJ is the Sixers, but Phoenix is really interested in the guy. I can see the Lakers take JJ and immediately trade him to the Suns for #4 (one of Ball/Fox) plus the MIA 2018 pick.
Probably they could get Ball, because I have not a sense that Sixers FO is in love with the kid.

If this happens, I think we really colu tray to trade with the Kings so that Vlade could choose whoever he likes between Ball and Fox.

It could be interesting.

[cksdayoff]

if Donovan Mitchell had handles, he would be a top 5 oick

[Chris76]

If there's a guy in the draft who's benefitted on this year's NBA Finals, it's Josh Jackson. Where GSW showed how important versatility is in today's basketball.

KD&LBJ really stood out in the finals.

There's also, on the one hand, GS doing everything they could to get Steph away from and Klay onto Kyrie Irving--suggesting that you want a good defender guarding point guards, not just a little guy.

On the other hand, Kyrie showed that with his incredibly ballhandling skill that he could score on even the best--which in my mind supports Dennis Smith Jr.

Good points. The finals helped Isaacs value for his perimeter defense. Isaac and Simmons fit well on defense. Isaac on the perimeter and rim protection, and Simmons getting rebounds. Also, Isaac has a smooth shot and can create a little. Furthermore, I like Jackson a lot, but he reminds me of a more active Aaron Gordon, not bad as a prospect. Whereas, Isaac could be a 20 pt shooter with all the other elite defensive skills. Tough choice!

[Negrodamus]

If this happened I would be pissed.

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One thing I agree with on with their Mock is they have Donovan Mitchell a little lower than I've been seeing lately. Personally, I think Mitchell will fall out of the lottery altogether, unless a team like the 76ers acquires​ the 10th pick and uses it for need. I don't like Jarrett Allen, but I do think a team will gamble on his size, before taking Mitchell. I also wouldn't be surprised if Luke Kennard goes ahead of Mitchell, because Duke shooting specialists always get over-drafted. Nobody is going to spend their lone lottery pick on a 6'2 SG (Mitchell), unless he's a shooting specialist.

Donovan Mitchell is a 3&D player, everyone's looking for them.

Some 2017 Playoff SG:

Portland: CJ McCollum
Clippers: JJ Reddick
Rockets: Harden (or Gordon or Beverly depending on definition)
Memphis: Tony Allen
Celtics: Avery Bradley
Bulls: Dwyane Wade
Wizards: Bradley Beal

Mitchell is within an inch or two in height of all those players (just under half the teams in the playoffs). He had a longer wingspan than most on that list. I think he'd fit right in.

[SelfishPlayer]

One thing I agree with on with their Mock is they have Donovan Mitchell a little lower than I've been seeing lately. Personally, I think Mitchell will fall out of the lottery altogether, unless a team like the 76ers acquires​ the 10th pick and uses it for need. I don't like Jarrett Allen, but I do think a team will gamble on his size, before taking Mitchell. I also wouldn't be surprised if Luke Kennard goes ahead of Mitchell, because Duke shooting specialists always get over-drafted. Nobody is going to spend their lone lottery pick on a 6'2 SG (Mitchell), unless he's a shooting specialist.

Donovan Mitchell is a 3&D player, everyone's looking for them.

Some 2017 Playoff SG:

Portland: CJ McCollum
Clippers: JJ Reddick
Rockets: Harden (or Gordon or Beverly depending on definition)
Memphis: Tony Allen
Celtics: Avery Bradley
Bulls: Dwyane Wade
Wizards: Bradley Beal

Mitchell is within an inch or two in height of all those players (just under half the teams in the playoffs). He had a longer wingspan than most on that list. I think he'd fit right in.

Personally I look at champions, not simply a playoff team. I can't think of a champion that started a sub 6'4" player that was drafted as a shooting guard.

[LloydFree]

I also like to add that transition offense plays a big role in today's game. Specially on regular season when defense is ultra soft. JJ can be a very good transition player on both ends, just like a young Iggy.

Come to think of it.. If Iggy was in today's draft how high would he pick as a player out from arizona? Definitely higher than Ball and Jackson right?

Iguodala was scoring sub-13 ppg as a sophomore with poor three point shooting numbers. I highly doubt NBA front offices would value him anywhere near the top of the draft. He'd probably be clumped in with Donovan Mitchaell and OG Anunoboy in the 10-15 range as a two year collegiate defensive specialist.

Yep. Iguodala wouldn't go any higher than 7th in this Draft, because he wasn't a shooter. It was an upset of​ sorts that Iguodala even went 9th in his Draft. I can still hear Dick Vital screeeeaming that the 76ers made a terrible mistake by passing on Luke Jackson, for Iguodala.

[smittybanton]

If there's a guy in the draft who's benefitted on this year's NBA Finals, it's Josh Jackson. Where GSW showed how important versatility is in today's basketball.

KD&LBJ really stood out in the finals.

There's also, on the one hand, GS doing everything they could to get Steph away from and Klay onto Kyrie Irving--suggesting that you want a good defender guarding point guards, not just a little guy.

On the other hand, Kyrie showed that with his incredibly ballhandling skill that he could score on even the best--which in my mind supports Dennis Smith Jr.

When has Dennis Smith Jr ever displayed incredible ballhandling skills?

When has he not?

[Negrodamus]

Donovan Mitchell is a 3&D player, everyone's looking for them.

Some 2017 Playoff SG:

Portland: CJ McCollum
Clippers: JJ Reddick
Rockets: Harden (or Gordon or Beverly depending on definition)
Memphis: Tony Allen
Celtics: Avery Bradley
Bulls: Dwyane Wade
Wizards: Bradley Beal

Mitchell is within an inch or two in height of all those players (just under half the teams in the playoffs). He had a longer wingspan than most on that list. I think he'd fit right in.

Personally I look at champions, not simply a playoff team. I can't think of a champion that started a sub 6'4" player that was drafted as a shooting guard.

Well, let me ask you this. Do you think the Warriors would not win a single championship with CJ McCollum (since we're using the arbitrary 6'4 and under criteria)?

[SelfishPlayer]

Some 2017 Playoff SG:

Portland: CJ McCollum
Clippers: JJ Reddick
Rockets: Harden (or Gordon or Beverly depending on definition)
Memphis: Tony Allen
Celtics: Avery Bradley
Bulls: Dwyane Wade
Wizards: Bradley Beal

Mitchell is within an inch or two in height of all those players (just under half the teams in the playoffs). He had a longer wingspan than most on that list. I think he'd fit right in.

Personally I look at champions, not simply a playoff team. I can't think of a champion that started a sub 6'4" player that was drafted as a shooting guard.

Well, let me ask you this. Do you think the Warriors would not win a single championship with CJ McCollum (since we're using the arbitrary 6'4 and under criteria)?

Facts vs Fantasy.

I'm looking at the facts and you are asking me to play fantasy. It's fine if you like guys drafted to be sub 6'4" shooting guards. I just can't think of any that are champions as starters.

[Sixerscan]

Personally I look at champions, not simply a playoff team. I can't think of a champion that started a sub 6'4" player that was drafted as a shooting guard.

Well, let me ask you this. Do you think the Warriors would not win a single championship with CJ McCollum (since we're using the arbitrary 6'4 and under criteria)?

Facts vs Fantasy.

I'm looking at the facts and you are asking me to play fantasy. It's fine if you like guys drafted to be sub 6'4" shooting guards. I just can't think of any that are champions as starters.

Andrew Toney

[Negrodamus]

Personally I look at champions, not simply a playoff team. I can't think of a champion that started a sub 6'4" player that was drafted as a shooting guard.

Well, let me ask you this. Do you think the Warriors would not win a single championship with CJ McCollum (since we're using the arbitrary 6'4 and under criteria)?

Facts vs Fantasy.

I'm looking at the facts and you are asking me to play fantasy. It's fine if you like guys drafted to be sub 6'4" shooting guards. I just can't think of any that are champions as starters.

Not surprisingly, your answer is abrasive for no reason.

I'm sure DeShawn Stevenson was the real reason the Mavs won the championship. If Jason Terry had started, they definitely would have lost, despite being one of their key players in the playoffs that year. Or maybe it was because they had one of the best PF and PG of all time in Nowitzki and Kidd.

Also humorous is you're probably only looking the modern NBA championships (2000-2017) which contains 7 champions. How bold of you. And 6'4+ barely includes Kobe Bryant (http://fansided.com/2017/03/27/kobe-bryant-height-6-foot-4-lakers/) and Dwyane Wade (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwyane-Wade-4726/).

Nonsense as usual.

[cksdayoff]

There's also, on the one hand, GS doing everything they could to get Steph away from and Klay onto Kyrie Irving--suggesting that you want a good defender guarding point guards, not just a little guy.

On the other hand, Kyrie showed that with his incredibly ballhandling skill that he could score on even the best--which in my mind supports Dennis Smith Jr.

When has Dennis Smith Jr ever displayed incredible ballhandling skills?

When has he not?

dsj has the best handles in the lottery, which are very good, but they're not elite like kyrie's