Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[stormi]

Thybulle is an outright defensive liability. That's my opinion.

Jumping at everything and racking up blocks, steals and being in foul trouble by half time isn't a valuable skillset.

Springer is probably the most talented POA defensive player we have in the organization. Reed has potential. Embiid and Bassey are also very good defenders.

Harris -new wildcard. Harden is terrific as long as he isn't isolated on the perimeter. Moves his feet extremely well and is built like a truck. Green is fine. Maxey tries really hard. Niang.. also tries really hard but without Maxey's athleticism. Isaiah Joe really knows how to move his feet. He impresses me on that end, even though he's slight of frame. He also has an instinct for drawing charges which is cool. Korkmaz and Shake. Nothing to be said about those two.

[Arsenal]

Young Socialite won't last as a full-time 5. He absolutely needs a Horford or Turner type of stretch 5 to play with. Nor do you want him stuck defending the interior.

* if he ever decides to play again!

[mjkvol]

Thybulle is an outright defensive liability. That's my opinion.

Jumping at everything and racking up blocks, steals and being in foul trouble by half time isn't a valuable skillset.

A hot take, but not one I can really disagree with. Ben actually bailed Thybulle out from being the goat of Hawks game 7.

[Arsenal]

Thybulle is an outright defensive liability. That's my opinion.

Jumping at everything and racking up blocks, steals and being in foul trouble by half time isn't a valuable skillset.

Springer is probably the most talented POA defensive player we have in the organization. Reed has potential. Embiid and Bassey are also very good defenders.

Harris -new wildcard. Harden is terrific as long as he isn't isolated on the perimeter. Moves his feet extremely well and is built like a truck. Green is fine. Maxey tries really hard. Niang.. also tries really hard but without Maxey's athleticism. Isaiah Joe really knows how to move his feet. He impresses me on that end, even though he's slight of frame. He also has an instinct for drawing charges which is cool. Korkmaz and Shake. Nothing to be said about those two.

Won't go that far. He's an awesome defender, but you're right he's overly aggressive leading to foul trouble. Plus his rebounding is atrocious.

Combine that w/his total lack of offensive ability, and he's definitely overrated and someone we should sell high on.

[Arsenal]

Thybulle is an outright defensive liability. That's my opinion.

Jumping at everything and racking up blocks, steals and being in foul trouble by half time isn't a valuable skillset.

A hot take, but not one I can really disagree with. Ben actually bailed Thybulle out from being the goat of Hawks game 7.

Thybulle lost us Game 5 AND Game 7 with dumb and reckless fouls on 3PT shooters.

[mjkvol]

Thybulle is an outright defensive liability. That's my opinion.

Jumping at everything and racking up blocks, steals and being in foul trouble by half time isn't a valuable skillset.

A hot take, but not one I can really disagree with. Ben actually bailed Thybulle out from being the goat of Hawks game 7.

Thybulle lost us Game 5 AND Game 7 with dumb and reckless fouls on 3PT shooters.

Very true, but you never hear about it due to Ben. Thybulle must be moved this summer, that to me is a high priority.

[Sixerscan]

What lol

The takes on here are nuts sometimes

[Arsenal]

Tobias Harris has become a very good player for us since settling into his post-Harden role. More than fine keeping him the last 2 years of his contract unless a favorable deal turns up. Just dumping him for financial reasons won't be worth it.

Plus his contract expires when Maxey needs to get paid. I assume we'll be able to resign Tobias that summer (2024) on a reasonable deal. No one is going to be lining up to MAX him at age 32 after 2+ years as a 4th option.

[ProcessDoctor]

Serious question: After seeing Tobias in these playoffs, would you rather have him or Beal? Let's say we swap Thybulle and Korkmaz for Kuzma in the deal to "balance" positions out.

[SixthStreet]

Tobias if we have to give Beal his 5 year max. I think his contract will be very valuable when he's expiring in the offseason after next. Should be able to get a better player than Beal on a better contract a year from this offseason. The question is what will Harden look like that year.

[brannigan73]

Harris has played very well in the playoffs but where was this type of consistent play before? Im still very leery of him and if I ran the Sixers based on what I've seen in the playoffs so far I would try to get rid of Harris and Harden in the off-season and replace them with 3-4 guys that complement Maxey and Embiid. Even if Harden returned to close to top form this team has an awful bench and is one of the least athletic teams in the league. They could not beat Memphis, Golden State, or Phoenix even with MVP level Harden. I really believe that. Those teams dont play any bad players lol. Every guy they run out there is a solid plus NBA player with multiple facets. Meanwhile we give minutes to Danny Green, Shake Milton, Thybulle, and Niang. I hate to lump Niang in there but he is just so unathletic. These elite teams kill him on defense. He has to hit a huge percentage of threes in volume to cancel that out. To sum it up this is an ill put together team.

[mjkvol]

Harris has played very well in the playoffs but where was this type of consistent play before? Im still very leery of him and if I ran the Sixers based on what I've seen in the playoffs so far I would try to get rid of Harris and Harden in the off-season and replace them with 3-4 guys that complement Maxey and Embiid. Even if Harden returned to close to top form this team has an awful bench and is one of the least athletic teams in the league. They could not beat Memphis, Golden State, or Phoenix even with MVP level Harden. I really believe that. Those teams dont play any bad players lol. Every guy they run out there is a solid plus NBA player with multiple facets. Meanwhile we give minutes to Danny Green, Shake Milton, Thybulle, and Niang. I hate to lump Niang in there but he is just so unathletic. These elite teams kill him on defense. He has to hit a huge percentage of threes in volume to cancel that out. To sum it up this is an ill put together team.

I share this feeling about Harris, but I wouldn't trade him for Beal. Beal is going to require a max deal and just isn't that kind of player, the same issue we had with Tobias, but his deal will be an expiring one and might be very valuable by next year's trade deadline or off season.

I don't think Harden will require a max deal, which frees up money to get those athletic players, all of which I'd like to see replaced except Niang, despite him being perhaps the most unathletic of them all. But it's been clear all season that work will need to be done to get this roster to one that can compete at the highest level.

[Mik317]

Thybulle lost a lot of his luster due to his post season. He is also due a new contract. Feels like he is on his last days here IMO

[Eyeamok]

Tobias Harris has become a very good player for us since settling into his post-Harden role. More than fine keeping him the last 2 years of his contract unless a favorable deal turns up. Just dumping him for financial reasons won't be worth it.

Plus his contract expires when Maxey needs to get paid. I assume we'll be able to resign Tobias that summer (2024) on a reasonable deal. No one is going to be lining up to MAX him at age 32 after 2+ years as a 4th option.

Charles Barkley, on Monday night was saying that Harris is the one that got screwed by the Harden deal because he does not have the ball in his hands as much. I said "No Charles now that Harden is in Philly Harris has more of a defined role and he is now playing well.

[mjkvol]

Tobias Harris has become a very good player for us since settling into his post-Harden role. More than fine keeping him the last 2 years of his contract unless a favorable deal turns up. Just dumping him for financial reasons won't be worth it.

Plus his contract expires when Maxey needs to get paid. I assume we'll be able to resign Tobias that summer (2024) on a reasonable deal. No one is going to be lining up to MAX him at age 32 after 2+ years as a 4th option.

Charles Barkley, on Monday night was saying that Harris is the one that got screwed by the Harden deal because he does not have the ball in his hands as much. I said "No Charles now that Harden is in Philly Harris has more of a defined role and he is now playing well.

Barkley's credibility goes straight out the window with a comment like that. Harris went from being considered a salary dump candidate to being a potentially strong trade chip based on his play since Harden arrived. He was seen as a decent on-ball reliant player who posted empty stats to a two-way player who can arguably be seen as a starter on a contending team.

Charles shows how little he gets about what it takes to win a championship with that comment, and is thinking only about how his personal numbers might be affected. Screwed? More like Harris was saved by the Harden deal.

[SixthStreet]

I think we can fix a lot of this unathleticism this offseason internally. Reed playing more 4, Bassey the backup 5, Springer taking the Shake/Furkan rotation spot. Then you take Green's contract + Thybulle and get a younger version of Green on the wing.

[stormi]

Thybulle is an outright defensive liability. That's my opinion.

Jumping at everything and racking up blocks, steals and being in foul trouble by half time isn't a valuable skillset.

Springer is probably the most talented POA defensive player we have in the organization. Reed has potential. Embiid and Bassey are also very good defenders.

Harris -new wildcard. Harden is terrific as long as he isn't isolated on the perimeter. Moves his feet extremely well and is built like a truck. Green is fine. Maxey tries really hard. Niang.. also tries really hard but without Maxey's athleticism. Isaiah Joe really knows how to move his feet. He impresses me on that end, even though he's slight of frame. He also has an instinct for drawing charges which is cool. Korkmaz and Shake. Nothing to be said about those two.

Won't go that far. He's an awesome defender, but you're right he's overly aggressive leading to foul trouble. Plus his rebounding is atrocious.

Combine that w/his total lack of offensive ability, and he's definitely overrated and someone we should sell high on.

"awesome"

that's a major agree to disagree for me. he's a porous defensive presence when he's asked to simply stay in front of his man, and his 'get blown by so i can chase and rack up block stats' work about 3-5% of the time, but a majority of the time his man either takes him to the rim or he fouls.

retaining drummond instead of matisse in the harden trade would have been more beneficial for our franchise in the short term.

[SixthStreet]

Actually, I've reconsidered the Beal Tobias swap. I'd do it now because we have a built in way to improve the rebounding and defense by making room for Reed as the starting 4.

Having a Reed-Embiid front court allows us to go small at the perimeter positions like a better version of what the Cavs did this year that allowed them to have a good defense even with a tiny no defense backcourt.

If it's not Beal any wing that can provide some switch defense, rebounding, athleticism, and spacing. You have Green's contract, Thybulle, Tobias, and/or the MLE to find it.

Harden
Maxey
_______
Reed
Embiid

Obviously you have to fire Rivers and find a coach whether experienced or an innovator from the G-league that will see the potential of such a lineup.

I'm done with one way only wings like Thybulle, Niang, Korkmaz, and Milton unless they can get buckets unassisted. Scrap all of them.

[mjkvol]

Actually, I've reconsidered the Beal Tobias swap. I'd do it now because we have a built in way to improve the rebounding and defense by making room for Reed as the starting 4.

Having a Reed-Embiid front court allows us to go small at the perimeter positions like a better version of what the Cavs did this year that allowed them to have a good defense even with a tiny no defense backcourt.

If it's not Beal any wing that can provide some switch defense, rebounding, athleticism, and spacing. You have Green's contract, Thybulle, Tobias, and/or the MLE to find it.

Harden
Maxey
_______
Reed
Embiid

Obviously you have to fire Rivers and find a coach whether experienced or an innovator from the G-league that will see the potential of such a lineup.

I'm done with one way only wings like Thybulle, Niang, Korkmaz, and Milton unless they can get buckets unassisted. Scrap all of them.

I like your idea, but I'd rather find someone who isn't going to require a max deal like Beal.

[Murray_17]

Just messing on the trade machine but lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5osvhun