Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Sixerscan]

You guys are getting more and more delusional. The time has past and may not have ever existed on getting any of those guys. And morey isn’t taking a pick package

That’s just your opinion, you can’t say that as a fact.

Okay so what if I am right?

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[Sportfan73]

That’s just your opinion, you can’t say that as a fact.

Okay so what if I am right?

You win 200 RealGM points.

Just think everyone having this process mindset star hunting and expecting morey to pull something crazy out is going to be very disappointed, and it’s not moreys fault

[TunaFish]

Okay so what if I am right?

You win 200 RealGM points.

Just think everyone having this process mindset star hunting and expecting morey to pull something crazy out is going to be very disappointed, and it’s not moreys fault

It's the contract (and that's not the present GM"s fault). No matter how it is spinned, when Simmons scored a max contract the expectations were unrealistic. He had shooting issues from the beginning but he was a glue guy that could have been so much more if he had just worked on his shot.

How this is going to play out, who can say. However, I don't think escrowing Simmons's salary and deducting fines are going to entice him in any way.

[spikeslovechild]

None of those guys will be available like at all

I’d bet at least one of these players will get traded within a year.

If we wait a year Ben’s value will be .10 cents on the dollar

That assumes that we would get full value for him now.

None of the offers I've seen presented are anything other than .10 cents on the dollar. I would agree with you if someone offers close to full value you make the move and move on from this fisaco but that doesn't appear to be happening.

And trading him for .20 cents on the dollar because you are worried he maybe worth .10 cents later seems like a pretty dumb strategy. The strategy should be wait for someone else to either demand a trade or a team to come to the table with a fair offer until then you wait.

He's essentially decided to light 30M on fire so there is no pressure for us to do a deal. We are not going to win a championship by trading Ben for pennies on the dollar. So why not wait? As a team we lose nothing.

[Sixerscan]

You win 200 RealGM points.

Just think everyone having this process mindset star hunting and expecting morey to pull something crazy out is going to be very disappointed, and it’s not moreys fault

It's the contract (and that's not the present GM"s fault). No matter how it is spinned, when Simmons scored a max contract the expectations were unrealistic. He had shooting issues from the beginning but he was a glue guy that could have been so much more if he had just worked on his shot.

How this is going to play out, who can say. However, I don't think escrowing Simmons's salary and deducting fines are going to entice him in any way.

I don't think they're trying to entice him, more just they don't want to pay a guy who isn't showing up and are not trying to chase a guy down for fine money who has already shown he's willing to not honor a contract.

[sixers4real]

Okay so what if I am right?

You win 200 RealGM points.

Just think everyone having this process mindset star hunting and expecting morey to pull something crazy out is going to be very disappointed, and it’s not moreys fault

I’m very supportive of Morey. And if we won’t get any of the players I’ve mentioned or picks/swaps, yeah, you’d be right, and I will be disappointed, but not at Morey.
That will mean he made every call, but teams weren’t willing to trade much for Simmons.

[spikeslovechild]

You guys are getting more and more delusional. The time has past and may not have ever existed on getting any of those guys. And morey isn’t taking a pick package

That’s just your opinion, you can’t say that as a fact.

Okay so what if I am right?

Then this becomes another irving for thomas type deal. I have no idea what Morey will do all I can tell is you what I think he should do and that is stay the course.

[Negrodamus]

I think Sac will come back into play when Terence Davis takes off and they have 5 guards 6'5 and under that need to play meaningful minutes. They'll try to send Hield, but Morey won't be interested and we'll push for Haliburton or Fox. Not sure if that's realistic, but I could see that becoming a narrative during the season, especially if Sac sucks again.

[sixers4real]

I think Sac will come back into play when Terence Davis takes off and they have 5 guards 6'5 and under that need to play meaningful minutes. They'll try to send Hield, but Morey won't be interested and we'll push for Haliburton or Fox. Not sure if that's realistic, but I could see that becoming a narrative during the season, especially if Sac sucks again.

I’m with you here. In ideal world, both Sacramento and Minnesota start badly (as usual, and as they should lol) and Fox/Halliburton or Edwards becomes available for Simmons, because both teams will be afraid to lose Simmons while being bad 20 games in.

[DCasey91]

Ben for:

White, Vassell, Dougie Mcbuckets and two 1sts

Why?

Who cares lol. Imagine if we got two unprotected firsts.

Take it and run.

[Sportfan73]

I think Sac will come back into play when Terence Davis takes off and they have 5 guards 6'5 and under that need to play meaningful minutes. They'll try to send Hield, but Morey won't be interested and we'll push for Haliburton or Fox. Not sure if that's realistic, but I could see that becoming a narrative during the season, especially if Sac sucks again.

If anything it will be fox with us adding to Ben to get him imo. Haliburton, Mitchell, and Hield all compliment Ben. I would definitely do it still even if we added a first or something

[the_process]

Can’t wait for everyone to be like “I’m out on Morey he’s washed for not getting 150 first round picks and an all nba player for Ben he played himself” when no offers were ever there for anything close.

He can't be taking a Brogdon and Warren offer, either. So we wait.

[the_process]

Ben for:

White, Vassell, Dougie Mcbuckets and two 1sts

Why?

Who cares lol. Imagine if we got two unprotected firsts.

Take it and run.

Agreed. That's an easy yes.

[Sportfan73]

Ben for:

White, Vassell, Dougie Mcbuckets and two 1sts

Why?

Who cares lol. Imagine if we got two unprotected firsts.

Take it and run.

Agreed. That's an easy yes.

SA is the most attractive straight across parter if we’re not getting a star. I would take that package, I would take white, Murray, vassell. I would take white, Murray and first or two.

[sixers4real]

Ben for:

White, Vassell, Dougie Mcbuckets and two 1sts

Why?

Who cares lol. Imagine if we got two unprotected firsts.

Take it and run.

Agreed. That's an easy yes.

SA is the most attractive straight across parter if we’re not getting a star. I would take that package, I would take white, Murray, vassell. I would take white, Murray and first or two.

Shooting % from last season by the two guys from the Spurs people want for Simmons:

Derrick White TS% .550
Dejounte Murray TS % .509

Out of 18 players that played for Spurs last season, White ranks 8th, Murray ranks 17th in TS%.

Derrick White 3PT% .346
Dejounte Murray 3PT% .317

Out of 18 players that played for Spurs last season, White ranks 9th. Murray ranks 12th in 3PT%

[76ciology]

If Im trading with the Spurs, I want Primo, Keldon, Vassell, Thad and picks.

I’d then let Murray and Ben, self destruct the Spurs squad to get me pick. I’d let Keldon and Vassell fill the hole at my SF depth and let Thad be back-up for Tobi. I’d also let my guards (milton, maxey, seth, kork) have more greenlight on offense.

Im not taking Murray because he doesnt fit our team
Im not taking White because he’s overlapping with some of my guards. Im not paying their high price tag for guys i dont need.

Im taking Primo because he’s an appreciating asset. He possibly can be the best player in this deal.

Im taking Vassell and Keldon because not only are they appreciating asset but what they provide can move needle with the big hole i have at SF. Spurs should also be more willing to trade them because of Ben’s arrival to their team.

I’ll only take Murray if I can ship him for Cam Thomas. Or Jordan Poole and a pick or Quickly and a pick. If Pacers is looking at this season as a lost year, then I’d trade Murray for Brogdon while enjoying the picks from the Spurs.

[VDT]

Morey's idea, and the onlynone that makes sense, is to wait until a star request a trade. We are not going to get much value otherwise, because teams that want to get Simmons probably want to also get better, i.e. they need to win the trade, so they are not going to offer much. No team is going to offer much willingly.

[76ciology]

Morey's idea, and the onlynone that makes sense, is to wait until a star request a trade. We are not going to get much value otherwise, because teams that want to get Simmons probably want to also get better, i.e. they need to win the trade, so they are not going to offer much. No team is going to offer much willingly.

Agree.

That’s why the alternative deal is about getting appreciating assets so time can be on our side, and when those kind of opportunities come, we’d be ready.

1.) young players with upside
2.) picks
3.) players who’d look better on our team

[Jimmy Recard]

Real Sixer fans vs Ben fans from down unda. I feel for the Sixers fans here.

I get why they like him, given they apparently share his tendency to say and do dumb things and get upset when people point out how delusional he is.

Ehhh, can’t speak for the Aussies on this board, but as someone who’s lived in Australia since I was 15, I don’t think that’s the case at all. Most Aussie nba fans I know don’t really **** with him. It’s true that Aussie’s love sport and love their athletes, but they tend to gravitate towards the “battlers”. The overachievers. Guys like Patty Mills and Joe Ingles who are basically national treasures here, yet the perception of Simmons here is that he’s a coddled brat who can’t handle criticism.

[Sportfan73]

Morey's idea, and the onlynone that makes sense, is to wait until a star request a trade. We are not going to get much value otherwise, because teams that want to get Simmons probably want to also get better, i.e. they need to win the trade, so they are not going to offer much. No team is going to offer much willingly.

Agree.

That’s why the alternative deal is about getting appreciating assets so time can be on our side, and when those kind of opportunities come, we’d be ready.

1.) young players with upside
2.) picks
3.) players who’d look better on our team

This. At this point I think we have a better chance at getting a star when they request if we’ve already completed a Simmons trade sooner rather than later and nailed this criteria