Where is Nerlens?

[Negrodamus]

I'm guessing, based on what Colangelo said today, that Noel will be traded around January 14th when the recently signed players can be traded.

I know it's poor timing on the heels of his huge game, but I could see Colangelo targeting Beal + Gortat for Noel + Lakers pick. Gives them room to resign Porter and Noel, rids them of a large contract (Gortat), and gives them a lottery pick to use on an wing or a PF.

Beal would probably be worth more, but I think that will be roughly the asking price on our end. I can't imagine we're going to keep both our pick and the Lakers pick.

Not to turn this into a fantasy trade thread, but I posted a trade on the Wiz board and they seemed very reluctant to trade Beal. This was the deal...

PHI out: Noel, Henderson, Illyasova, 2018 PHI 1st (top 10 protected)
PHI in: Beal, Smith, Ezeli

POR out: Harkless, Ezeli
POR in: Gortat, McClellan

WAS out: Beal, Gortat, Smith, McClellan
WAS in: Noel, Harkless, Illyasova (exp), Henderson (exp), 2018 PHI 1st (top 10 protected)

Yikes, why would Portland want any part of that?

I think the LAL pick would be the clincher since it will likely be a top 10 pick which can turn into another secondary star to build around Wall. Obviously what's going on isn't working.

But Wiz fans are going to be reluctant to trade Beal because he's putting up very nice scoring numbers recently. They might be overlooking his poor defense though.

[P-K4]

I'm with what the Sixers at least said today with regards to Noel's approach this season. Taking aside Noel's comments about his situation, basketball is a team game. It's not just what happens out there on the floor. That was always my criticism of AI. In the offseason, you have whole teams get together and practice to build chemistry and comraderie with each other.

Noel has the longest tenure with the org of any player. This was his team. One would think that he's the one organizing things if he's concerned about winning. Somebody has to be a leader. Instead, he worked in isolation and withdrew completely from the team. I think we even saw video posted here of him on stage at a concert when he was supposed to be rehabbing.

I wouldn't be able to reward that. Not when I have other players who have competed 24/7/365 and have been involved in the game, film sessions, practice, etc...All that stuff is part of the job with regards to helping a team grow. This all applies to his whole career moving forward if he wants to be a player who truly impacts winning.

That said, I'm wondering why they even gave him the 18 minutes they gave him. Sounds like they were sticking to the principles they spoke about today.

[TTP]

When I brought this up a few days ago (in one of the Noel threads) I was told. Why should Noel care about his trade value?

Why should a pro athlete?

Teammates? Of course. Relationships with team officials? Sure


Trade value?

He doesn't really need to care about is trade value. He clearly doesn't have a strong connection to the franchise. But he is up for a new contract and right now he is taking a shotgun to his value. It's clear he wants out of town and the best way to do that would be to shut up, be a boyscout and let the team know internally that he wanted out. Now he's not only shown himself to be a whiny baby but he's also riding pine while we try to salvage a decent trade for him, when he could be showing what he can do on the floor either for us or the team we could have already traded him to. I know these guys aren't business professionals, but they should have people around them telling them to shut up instead of making comments that are going to hurt their future earnings.

It looks like he did the bolded more than 6 months ago, likely during the offseason when he stopped interacting with the team. He's also likely stayed quiet and put up with it for a lot longer than that.

He did exactly what you said for an entire year last season - he shut up and dealt with it. Only...he wasn't able to show what he could do on the floor because of the situation the team put him in. It resulted in a major hit to his future earnings.

He's already sacrificed heavily by playing with Okafor last year. Seriously, take a look at his splits with and without Okafor. Everyone talks about how he regressed during his second season and it's almost entirely because he was forced to play out of position. The splits don't really indicate regression but it doesn't matter because that's his reputation now.

[TTP]

I'm with what the Sixers at least said today with regards to Noel's approach this season. Taking aside Noel's comments about his situation, basketball is a team game. It's not just what happens out there on the floor. That was always my criticism of AI. In the offseason, you have whole teams get together and practice to build chemistry and comraderie with each other.

Noel has the longest tenure with the org of any player. This was his team. One would think that he's the one organizing things if he's concerned about winning. Somebody has to be a leader. Instead, he worked in isolation and withdrew completely from the team. I think we even saw video posted here of him on stage at a concert when he was supposed to be rehabbing.

I wouldn't be able to reward that. Not when I have other players who have competed 24/7/365 and have been involved in the game, film sessions, practice, etc...All that stuff is part of the job with regards to helping a team grow. This all applies to his whole career moving forward if he wants to be a player who truly impacts winning.

That said, I'm wondering why they even gave him the 18 minutes they gave him. Sounds like they were sticking to the principles they spoke about today.

It's a two way street though. If you want him to be loyal and a good teammate and player, you need to show him that you care for his future as well. They sacrificed his development for Okafor last year. They likely cost him tens of millions of dollars.

You're claiming that you wouldn't want to reward him for his isolation. Why should he reward the organization by doing his best to get them a maximum return on a deal, especially when that organization has shown that they don't intend to prioritize his development and keep him? If anything, the better return they get, the worse it is for him because it weakens the team he'd be going to.

[spikeslovechild]

Why should a pro athlete?

Teammates? Of course. Relationships with team officials? Sure


Trade value?

He doesn't really need to care about is trade value. He clearly doesn't have a strong connection to the franchise. But he is up for a new contract and right now he is taking a shotgun to his value. It's clear he wants out of town and the best way to do that would be to shut up, be a boyscout and let the team know internally that he wanted out. Now he's not only shown himself to be a whiny baby but he's also riding pine while we try to salvage a decent trade for him, when he could be showing what he can do on the floor either for us or the team we could have already traded him to. I know these guys aren't business professionals, but they should have people around them telling them to shut up instead of making comments that are going to hurt their future earnings.

It looks like he did the bolded more than 6 months ago, likely during the offseason when he stopped interacting with the team. He's also likely stayed quiet and put up with it for a lot longer than that.

He did exactly what you said for an entire year last season - he shut up and dealt with it. Only...he wasn't able to show what he could do on the floor because of the situation the team put him in. It resulted in a major hit to his future earnings.

He's already sacrificed heavily by playing with Okafor last year. Seriously, take a look at his splits with and without Okafor. Everyone talks about how he regressed during his second season and it's almost entirely because he was forced to play out of position.

Did he? You don't know that. I would assume for example that the teams intel Woj referenced spanned multiple seasons. I also find it hard to believe that Noel just woke up one day and decided to be a POS for months on end. That's just probably who he is.

I would also disagree that he sacrificed by playing Okafor. He's not good enough for that to be a consideration. Embiid is sacrificing by trying to make it work with Okafor. Noel? He was just moved to PF so we could find minutes for him because we didn't have anyone capable on the roster who could start there.

Well now we do. We also have Saric Ersan and Okafor. Noel has to earn his minutes but is unwilling to. He feels he's too good to earn minutes from Saric, Okafor, Ersan, and Holmes. I'll say the same thing earlier this offseason. He's yellow. He's a coward. I'll also give credit to both Holmes and Okafor both have not played upto my expectations at times but you know what they don't do go whining to the media about their lack of opportunities. Shout out to Brett Brown for pointing that out. He's trying real hard to hold things together and it becomes even harder when you have a douchebag like Noel complaining about minutes 2 games in because you know what over the course of a 82 game season everyone is getting pretty much screwed over at some point when it comes to minutes. You can't allow one person to complain publicly in the way Noel did because then you have another and another and another. Then the finger pointing starts.

I've also been encouraged by what I've started to see out of Okafor. I get it's early and we've been burned before but at least he's out there grinding competing for minutes. Where's Noel been for the last couple of months. Last time I checked I saw him partying when he was supposedly injured and recovering from his elective surgery.

[TTP]

He doesn't really need to care about is trade value. He clearly doesn't have a strong connection to the franchise. But he is up for a new contract and right now he is taking a shotgun to his value. It's clear he wants out of town and the best way to do that would be to shut up, be a boyscout and let the team know internally that he wanted out. Now he's not only shown himself to be a whiny baby but he's also riding pine while we try to salvage a decent trade for him, when he could be showing what he can do on the floor either for us or the team we could have already traded him to. I know these guys aren't business professionals, but they should have people around them telling them to shut up instead of making comments that are going to hurt their future earnings.

It looks like he did the bolded more than 6 months ago, likely during the offseason when he stopped interacting with the team. He's also likely stayed quiet and put up with it for a lot longer than that.

He did exactly what you said for an entire year last season - he shut up and dealt with it. Only...he wasn't able to show what he could do on the floor because of the situation the team put him in. It resulted in a major hit to his future earnings.

He's already sacrificed heavily by playing with Okafor last year. Seriously, take a look at his splits with and without Okafor. Everyone talks about how he regressed during his second season and it's almost entirely because he was forced to play out of position.

Did he? You don't know that. I would assume for example that the teams intel Woj referenced spanned multiple seasons. I also find it hard to believe that Noel just woke up one day and decided to be a POS for months on end. That's who he is.

I would also disagree that he sacrificed by playing Okafor. He's not good enough for that to be a consideration. Embiid is sacrificing by trying to make it work with Okafor. Noel? He was just moved to PF so we could find minutes for him because we didn't have Simmons or Embiid.

Well now we do. We also have Saric Ersan and Okafor. There just aren't any minutes for Noel at the 4.

You don't know for sure but it seems pretty likely. Do you honestly think that after multiple seasons of staying quiet, he would speak publicly before speaking with management privately?

I think your viewpoint is ridiculous that you think he's a POS in this matter and "that's who he is". The situation is awful for him. The team is acting in their own interests by waiting for the best deal possible for him - a situation from which he benefits inversely.



You're irrational and/or uninformed if you disagree on the bolded. The common narrative is that Nerlens didn't improve his sophomore season but if you look at his splits without Okafor, he actually improved significantly. He increased his usage, his true shooting % massively, his free throw rate, his assist rate significantly without sacrificing his turnover rate, and his stocks/36. He sacrificed his numbers, his perception, and his financial future by playing next to Okafor. It's even worse when you consider that Okafor's play last season did not merit the sacrifice of Noel's development.

In fact, the reason that you think he isn't good enough is because of Okafor. Noel is a very good player. On another note, it's also ridiculous that you think someone needs to be a certain level of good to think their sacrifices are worth recognizing.

[phifans]

It looks like he did the bolded more than 6 months ago, likely during the offseason when he stopped interacting with the team. He's also likely stayed quiet and put up with it for a lot longer than that.

He did exactly what you said for an entire year last season - he shut up and dealt with it. Only...he wasn't able to show what he could do on the floor because of the situation the team put him in. It resulted in a major hit to his future earnings.

He's already sacrificed heavily by playing with Okafor last year. Seriously, take a look at his splits with and without Okafor. Everyone talks about how he regressed during his second season and it's almost entirely because he was forced to play out of position.

Did he? You don't know that. I would assume for example that the teams intel Woj referenced spanned multiple seasons. I also find it hard to believe that Noel just woke up one day and decided to be a POS for months on end. That's who he is.

I would also disagree that he sacrificed by playing Okafor. He's not good enough for that to be a consideration. Embiid is sacrificing by trying to make it work with Okafor. Noel? He was just moved to PF so we could find minutes for him because we didn't have Simmons or Embiid.

Well now we do. We also have Saric Ersan and Okafor. There just aren't any minutes for Noel at the 4.

You don't know for sure but it seems pretty likely. Do you honestly think that after multiple seasons of staying quiet, he would speak publicly before speaking with management privately?

I think your viewpoint is ridiculous that you think he's a POS in this matter and "that's who he is". The situation is awful for him. The team is acting in their own interests by waiting for the best deal possible for him - a situation from which he benefits inversely.



You're irrational and/or uninformed if you disagree on the bolded. The common narrative is that Nerlens didn't improve his sophomore season but if you look at his splits without Okafor, he actually improved significantly. He increased his usage, his true shooting % massively, his free throw rate, his assist rate significantly without sacrificing his turnover rate, and his stocks/36. He sacrificed his numbers, his perception, and his financial future by playing next to Okafor. It's even worse when you consider that Okafor's play last season did not merit the sacrifice of Noel's development.

In fact, the reason that you think he isn't good enough is because of Okafor. Noel is a very good player. On another note, it's also ridiculous that you think someone needs to be a certain level of good to think their sacrifices are worth recognizing.

Since he wouldn't accept to be Embiid's backup so I think you just suggest that Noel should be gone cos he has to sacrifice his talent play with Embiid as well.

[TTP]

Did he? You don't know that. I would assume for example that the teams intel Woj referenced spanned multiple seasons. I also find it hard to believe that Noel just woke up one day and decided to be a POS for months on end. That's who he is.

I would also disagree that he sacrificed by playing Okafor. He's not good enough for that to be a consideration. Embiid is sacrificing by trying to make it work with Okafor. Noel? He was just moved to PF so we could find minutes for him because we didn't have Simmons or Embiid.

Well now we do. We also have Saric Ersan and Okafor. There just aren't any minutes for Noel at the 4.

You don't know for sure but it seems pretty likely. Do you honestly think that after multiple seasons of staying quiet, he would speak publicly before speaking with management privately?

I think your viewpoint is ridiculous that you think he's a POS in this matter and "that's who he is". The situation is awful for him. The team is acting in their own interests by waiting for the best deal possible for him - a situation from which he benefits inversely.



You're irrational and/or uninformed if you disagree on the bolded. The common narrative is that Nerlens didn't improve his sophomore season but if you look at his splits without Okafor, he actually improved significantly. He increased his usage, his true shooting % massively, his free throw rate, his assist rate significantly without sacrificing his turnover rate, and his stocks/36. He sacrificed his numbers, his perception, and his financial future by playing next to Okafor. It's even worse when you consider that Okafor's play last season did not merit the sacrifice of Noel's development.

In fact, the reason that you think he isn't good enough is because of Okafor. Noel is a very good player. On another note, it's also ridiculous that you think someone needs to be a certain level of good to think their sacrifices are worth recognizing.

Since he wouldn't accept to be Embiid's backup so I think you just suggest that Noel should be gone cos he has to sacrifice his talent play with Embiid as well.

I don't disagree with you if that's what he wants. I also think it's very reasonable for him to want to be a starter somewhere. If possible though, I would like to see how he functions with Embiid because I don't think it's a 100% given that he wouldn't be able to play with him.

[phifans]

I don't disagree with you if that's what he wants. I also think it's very reasonable for him to want to be a starter somewhere. If possible though, I would like to see how he functions with Embiid because I don't think it's a 100% given that he wouldn't be able to play with him.

They definately can play with each other especially on defense. Just imagine the defensive potential with this pair. We may never have a chance to see it though. Sucks ！

[Ericb5]

It looks like he did the bolded more than 6 months ago, likely during the offseason when he stopped interacting with the team. He's also likely stayed quiet and put up with it for a lot longer than that.

He did exactly what you said for an entire year last season - he shut up and dealt with it. Only...he wasn't able to show what he could do on the floor because of the situation the team put him in. It resulted in a major hit to his future earnings.

He's already sacrificed heavily by playing with Okafor last year. Seriously, take a look at his splits with and without Okafor. Everyone talks about how he regressed during his second season and it's almost entirely because he was forced to play out of position.

Did he? You don't know that. I would assume for example that the teams intel Woj referenced spanned multiple seasons. I also find it hard to believe that Noel just woke up one day and decided to be a POS for months on end. That's who he is.

I would also disagree that he sacrificed by playing Okafor. He's not good enough for that to be a consideration. Embiid is sacrificing by trying to make it work with Okafor. Noel? He was just moved to PF so we could find minutes for him because we didn't have Simmons or Embiid.

Well now we do. We also have Saric Ersan and Okafor. There just aren't any minutes for Noel at the 4.

You don't know for sure but it seems pretty likely. Do you honestly think that after multiple seasons of staying quiet, he would speak publicly before speaking with management privately?

I think your viewpoint is ridiculous that you think he's a POS in this matter and "that's who he is". The situation is awful for him. The team is acting in their own interests by waiting for the best deal possible for him - a situation from which he benefits inversely.



You're irrational and/or uninformed if you disagree on the bolded. The common narrative is that Nerlens didn't improve his sophomore season but if you look at his splits without Okafor, he actually improved significantly. He increased his usage, his true shooting % massively, his free throw rate, his assist rate significantly without sacrificing his turnover rate, and his stocks/36. He sacrificed his numbers, his perception, and his financial future by playing next to Okafor. It's even worse when you consider that Okafor's play last season did not merit the sacrifice of Noel's development.

In fact, the reason that you think he isn't good enough is because of Okafor. Noel is a very good player. On another note, it's also ridiculous that you think someone needs to be a certain level of good to think their sacrifices are worth recognizing.

I don't think that he hurt his value in the league last year because all he did was to prove that he couldn't play the 4. His value at the 5 is undeniable.

He hurt his value to US last year by showing that he couldn't play the 4, but the rest of the league will value him as a rim running, defensive force at the 5.

He is going to get paid this offseason. It is his off the court stuff that will hurt him more than any sacrifices that he made to accommodate Okafor and Embiid.


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[AdotSmoove]

Did he? You don't know that. I would assume for example that the teams intel Woj referenced spanned multiple seasons. I also find it hard to believe that Noel just woke up one day and decided to be a POS for months on end. That's who he is.

I would also disagree that he sacrificed by playing Okafor. He's not good enough for that to be a consideration. Embiid is sacrificing by trying to make it work with Okafor. Noel? He was just moved to PF so we could find minutes for him because we didn't have Simmons or Embiid.

Well now we do. We also have Saric Ersan and Okafor. There just aren't any minutes for Noel at the 4.

You don't know for sure but it seems pretty likely. Do you honestly think that after multiple seasons of staying quiet, he would speak publicly before speaking with management privately?

I think your viewpoint is ridiculous that you think he's a POS in this matter and "that's who he is". The situation is awful for him. The team is acting in their own interests by waiting for the best deal possible for him - a situation from which he benefits inversely.



You're irrational and/or uninformed if you disagree on the bolded. The common narrative is that Nerlens didn't improve his sophomore season but if you look at his splits without Okafor, he actually improved significantly. He increased his usage, his true shooting % massively, his free throw rate, his assist rate significantly without sacrificing his turnover rate, and his stocks/36. He sacrificed his numbers, his perception, and his financial future by playing next to Okafor. It's even worse when you consider that Okafor's play last season did not merit the sacrifice of Noel's development.

In fact, the reason that you think he isn't good enough is because of Okafor. Noel is a very good player. On another note, it's also ridiculous that you think someone needs to be a certain level of good to think their sacrifices are worth recognizing.

I don't think that he hurt his value in the league last year because all he did was to prove that he couldn't play the 4. His value at the 5 is undeniable.

He hurt his value to US last year by showing that he couldn't play the 4, but the rest of the league will value him as a rim running, defensive force at the 5.

He is going to get paid this offseason. It is his off the court stuff that will hurt him more than any sacrifices that he made to accommodate Okafor and Embiid.


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I think it's a real problem that we won't even get to see the sacrifices he could have made for Embiid. Winning cures everything and losing compounds everything. With Embiid at C Noel could function like a modern day Dennis Rodman and just wreak havoc defensively and on offense strictly crash the weak side glass for put backs. If Okafor had a mid range game or could serve any purpose outside of three feet from the basket then last year would have been a diff story because Noel would have had room to crash the glass for putbacks. On defense Noel had to play two positions to cover for Okafor, so really why he had to make room for Okafor last year is a mystery too.

Quick aside: why does everyone get so caught up in Jah's post game being the next Tim Duncan's? Duncan's post game was all-time but his defense and unselfish play is what made us respect his game.




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[spikeslovechild]

You don't know for sure but it seems pretty likely. Do you honestly think that after multiple seasons of staying quiet, he would speak publicly before speaking with management privately?

I think your viewpoint is ridiculous that you think he's a POS in this matter and "that's who he is". The situation is awful for him. The team is acting in their own interests by waiting for the best deal possible for him - a situation from which he benefits inversely.



You're irrational and/or uninformed if you disagree on the bolded. The common narrative is that Nerlens didn't improve his sophomore season but if you look at his splits without Okafor, he actually improved significantly. He increased his usage, his true shooting % massively, his free throw rate, his assist rate significantly without sacrificing his turnover rate, and his stocks/36. He sacrificed his numbers, his perception, and his financial future by playing next to Okafor. It's even worse when you consider that Okafor's play last season did not merit the sacrifice of Noel's development.

In fact, the reason that you think he isn't good enough is because of Okafor. Noel is a very good player. On another note, it's also ridiculous that you think someone needs to be a certain level of good to think their sacrifices are worth recognizing.

I don't think that he hurt his value in the league last year because all he did was to prove that he couldn't play the 4. His value at the 5 is undeniable.

He hurt his value to US last year by showing that he couldn't play the 4, but the rest of the league will value him as a rim running, defensive force at the 5.

He is going to get paid this offseason. It is his off the court stuff that will hurt him more than any sacrifices that he made to accommodate Okafor and Embiid.


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I think it's a real problem that we won't even get to see the sacrifices he could have made for Embiid. Winning cures everything and losing compounds everything. With Embiid at C Noel could function like a modern day Dennis Rodman and just wreak havoc defensively and on offense strictly crash the weak side glass for put backs. If Okafor had a mid range game or could serve any purpose outside of three feet from the basket then last year would have been a diff story because Noel would have had room to crash the glass for putbacks. On defense Noel had to play two positions to cover for Okafor, so really why he had to make room for Okafor last year is a mystery too.

Quick aside: why does everyone get so caught up in Jah's post game being the next Tim Duncan's? Duncan's post game was all-time but his defense and unselfish play is what made us respect his game.




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Dennis Rodman was a beast on the boards which Noel is not.

I also find it strange that somehow Okafor is being brought up again and always is when discussing Noel. Okafor has nothing to do with this. Noel didn't sacrifice for Okafor he played PF for a half a season and didn't even attempt to make it work.

Unless his attitude changes and he works on the things he needs to be a competent PF why would anyone think that would change with Embiid? There is a whole lot of wishful thinking happening here. Oh and before

The other problem Noel has created for moving him is really there is only a handful of teams who are need of a starting C. Toronto for instance would give him Biyombo role and have him come off the bench for 20 minutes. Would he be happy with that? Who knows?

He's really limiting his options and our options inregards to a trade. He needs to be moved but unless there is a rash of injuries (Capella is a nice start) at the center position it's going to be hard to get good value for him.

[BucksPackers]

As Philly fans what do you guys think about this deal?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hu22y3g

[rzzzzz]

Hinkie was high on Nerlens' athleticism and ability to disrupt on the defensive end. But he drafted Embiid before Nerlens ever got on the court for us. Remember how we tried to play Nerlens some at PF his rookie season? In anticipation of Embiid healing by the next season. That didn't happen, but Sam was back to Nerlens playing PF a lot more seriously the start of last year. Not because he was hoping Okafor would be our franchise starting center. (I think he was grooming Jah for the trade, unless Embiid never came back.) But Nerlens not progressing at PF must have been disappointing. I get it that Nerlens wants to be the starting center somewhere else, but I'd still get him out on the court with JoJo before making a move. If they clicked, maybe Nerlens would have a change of heart, for the right bread. (Meanwhile I cheer Okafor's recent enthusiasm for D and offensive boards, whether he's destined to stay or go. I think he would prosper on a team that supports and features his fancy footwork. But not near as much as Embiid, who is a genuine generational talent.)

[Negrodamus]

As Philly fans what do you guys think about this deal?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hu22y3g

I'd rather have Gary Harris to be honest.

[LloydFree]

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[HartfordWhalers]

Hinkie was high on Nerlens' athleticism and ability to disrupt on the defensive end. But he drafted Embiid before Nerlens ever got on the court for us. Remember how we tried to play Nerlens some at PF his rookie season? In anticipation of Embiid healing by the next season. That didn't happen, but Sam was back to Nerlens playing PF a lot more seriously the start of last year. Not because he was hoping Okafor would be our franchise starting center. (I think he was grooming Jah for the trade, unless Embiid never came back.) But Nerlens not progressing at PF must have been disappointing. I get it that Nerlens wants to be the starting center somewhere else, but I'd still get him out on the court with JoJo before making a move. If they clicked, maybe Nerlens would have a change of heart, for the right bread. (Meanwhile I cheer Okafor's recent enthusiasm for D and offensive boards, whether he's destined to stay or go. I think he would prosper on a team that supports and features his fancy footwork. But not near as much as Embiid, who is a genuine generational talent.)

If there is something credible and new and not just a personal spin on things, please post a link to it.

I'm going to keep merging everyone's new personal takes on Noel into the big thread filled with them when they are new threads.

[BullyKing]

As Philly fans what do you guys think about this deal?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hu22y3g

So the Bucks are getting Harris for nothing - seems reasonable.

[BucksPackers]

As Philly fans what do you guys think about this deal?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hu22y3g

I'd rather have Gary Harris to be honest.

That's fine we can swap those 2. I'm fine with either of those 2 SG's for the bucks.

[BucksPackers]

As Philly fans what do you guys think about this deal?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hu22y3g

So the Bucks are getting Harris for nothing - seems reasonable.

Monroe isn't nothing............ I also think the Celtics are looking for a big man to score off the bench. But I can see why you made that comment.